Horizontal Hostility Vs. Rewilding

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From Urban Scout

So today I woke up to my roommates telling me that I had a package waiting for me at the door. The hair on the back of my neck stood up. I haven’t told anyone I live here; I don’t even know my own address yet. I’ve lived in the house for a few weeks. The package was sent to: “Urban Scout, Domesticario Inc”. The “domesticario” obviously meant to insult, as domestication represents the opposite of a rewilding. I didn’t think it smart to open it. What lies inside? A bomb? Anthrax? Drugs meant to incriminate me? No one I knew personally could have sent it, which meant someone I didn’t know sent it to me.

I couldn’t immediately track who did it because whoever sent it used The GAP’s Fedex account number. Initially I wanted to send it back, unopened for multiple reasons. A friend of mine at the house felt courageous enough to open it, while I stood 100 yards away. Inside he found a 23lb rock and some packing peanuts.

The anonymity of the package shows the person wants to remain invisible, which means they want to intimidate me into having paranoia about who did it. Well, it worked. I can no longer trust my roommates. Who gave out my address? Which of my roommates told their friends (who obviously don’t like me) that Urban Scout lives at this address? Or perhaps one of the many traveling friends of my roommates told someone? All this talk about security culture and it means fucking nothing. Really though, I made a huge mistake in not telling my roommates to not tell people that I lived here. I didn’t think it mattered. I didn’t know. Now I do.

As a public figure, I guess I should expect this kind of thing, right? I speak out about things. I have a little public notoriety. In the past, I’ve gotten mostly hate e-mails. I’ve never had anyone send actual hate mail, or such an anonymous intimidation item as a big rock. Perhaps I should feel flattered that someone cares enough to go through the trouble of find a box, a big rock and packing peanuts, putting it all together and taking the risk of going to Fedex to impersonate a GAP employee all in order to send me a message; a metaphorical rock through my window, hurled all the way from Oakland, California. Of course, the fuss over a rock seems silly. But really, the rock has nothing to do with it. I like rocks. My name, Peter, means rock. So, you know, I have an affinity with them. I’ll put it to good use. The problem lies in the context of the entire situation. The insulting comment about domestication, the anonymity of the package, and crossing a physical, personal space boundary by sending the item to my home address.

Whoever did this, perhaps thought it a funny prank. Standing on the receiving end, I have a much different feeling about it. I see it as an act of war against all activists. This kind of “prank” better serves those in power. Creating paranoia and distrust among activists assists those government agencies already set up to do that. Shame on you. I refuse to accept your dead weight.

By the sender’s reference to domestication, we can guess that they probably come more from the Green Anarchist fundamentalist camp and not the rewilding one. Rewilding does not encourage horizontal hostility or “pranks” of this nature but rather learning to work together despite petty differences; we’ll all get there together. This shows exactly why I don’t identify as an Green Anarchist, Anarcho-Primitivist or anything of that nature, or with their subculture of critiques upon critiques upon critiques without any culture building taking place. Plus, we all know that the celebrity Green Anarchists (John Zerzan & Kevin Tucker) take the cake for their childish horizontal hostility.

I can’t really explain how it feels to spend so much time writing, teaching, learning and practicing rewilding only to have some assholes send you a big fuck you, right on your doorstep. It doesn’t feel good. And so….

Outing people who aid those in power in encouraging horizontal hostility, mistrust and paranoia among activists seems like an important endeavor to me. So, as such I will fill you all in on the situation in case you have interest or knowledge about who did this and can share it here with me.

Clues:

1. Knows my address (which leads to clue # 2).

2. Must know someone I live with, or someone who has passed through the house in the last 3 weeks.

3. Someone who doesn’t know me personally (although may have met me before).

4. They don’t like me (evident through their name calling).

5. They know about Green Anarchy, Rewilding, Anti-Civ philosophy (the reference to domestication)

6. They sent the package from Emeryville, California. (they either live near there, Oakland or passed through)

7. They sent the package on November 19th at 1:44PM

What I have done so far:

By their decision to aid those in power using tactics of paranoia and intimidation I have no qualms leveraging the legal system created by those in power against them. I called Fedex to see about getting the surveillance tapes from the day of delivery, to which they told me to contact the police. I plan to do so tomorrow morning. I have left a message with the GAP loss department in an attempt to get them to help me get the surveillance tapes. I hate the GAP. I hate the legal system. But I hate horizontal hostility a lot more. I will not allow you to intimidate me or others.

A smart person would not have abused the Fedex account trick for a childish prank. A real activist wouldn’t have wasted their time doing something like this to someone who spends all of their waking ours (not working for the man) working to educate people how to live without civilization and educating people why we need to dismantle civilization and rewild. Stupid people do things like this so they can brag about it to their friends… and we obviously have mutual friends somewhere. This person will brag about it to their friends. I will know their name and I will call them out.

You are a hilarious cry

You are a hilarious cry baby.

Are you really going to talk to police to try and find out the identity of someone who played a prank on your bloggin-ass?

maybe the rock should i went

maybe the rock should i went through your window...

fuck you if you use the

fuck you if you use the police.

you lose any high ground and become just another fucking cop in our cop-filled society.

what the fuck is wrong with you...

i don't call the cops when i get robbed or jumped or shot at. and you call them for a fucking rock?

god dam it, you're NOT an anarchist if you go running back to the power structure the moment you have a situation that is challenging to deal with without them. duh.

You're more than slightly

You're more than slightly neurotic, you're edging over into paranoia. Take a break, go somewhere peaceful and quiet and chill out.

pa-fucking-thetic. give that

pa-fucking-thetic.

give that rock to rob los ricos - so he can throw it at you, you fucking egoTistical crybaby cop!

I also think it´s a bad

I also think it´s a bad idea to turn to the cops. If we can avoid it, we should not be supporting the system like this. And I also think it was a bad idea to give unconfirmed hints on who stood behind this (the references to GA). If it was just a (bad) joke from some random internet surfer with to much "spare time", or maybe even something done by the enemy to arose these kinds of divisions, the horizontal hostility in this case actually could turn out having come from yourself. If we really are against the system, we should count the cost before joining the revolutionary forces. A stone in the mail box isn´t such a big deal, compared to being imprisoned, beaten up or getting killed.
/jonasl

what a fucking pussy. how is

what a fucking pussy. how is a rock, with postage stolen from a multinational, any kind of physical threat? sending a poisonous snake to the mailbox would be different. sending a homemade bomb (easily done with some firecrackers and some old-timey flashbulbs) to the mailbox would be different. but a rock? because your name is Peter (get it?). a rock is only an instrument of assault when it's being hurled, not when it's surrounded by packing peanuts in a shipping box. it's a prank you shithead. deciding that a prank is the same as COINTELPRO -- and dude, I just took a look at your website... you're not that important -- is the height of arrogance coupled with ignorance, and that's always a dangerous combination. are you some kind of hardboiled detective now? since it was addressed to "domesticario, inc" you decided that some GA fundie is behind it? seems like a bit of a stretch, and no cop or prosecutor is going to go for that. first you'd need to establish that a rock sent to you via FedEx is assault, which it isn't. then you'd need to establish that only GA fundies are pissed off at you, which i doubt (ex-girlfriend maybe? someone else you called the cops on for no justifiable reason?). then you'd need to find a d.a. somewhere who had the resources to waste on a case for some goofball white boy who likes roadkill. good luck with that scumbag.

Right now I'm calling out

Right now I'm calling out your sexism and assumed sexuality of this person. That is all.

okay, i admit that calling a

okay, i admit that calling a dude a pussy is a pussy move. oops, sorry. yeah, referring to a man derogatorily as a woman's body part is not the best way to get across the idea that this little shit is weak, incapabe of standing up for himself, and has allowed himself to be thoroughly disempowered by the legal system to the point that he celebrates his reliance on it as somehow liberating. how's that?

i assumed that he's had at least one girlfriend who might be angry at him. as a dude who's had a few girlfriends who are angry at me, i was playing the easy odds. but really who cares if the guy's a sissy? if he's queer, maybe he has one or more ex-boyfriends who are angry with him too. who cares if he is exclusively attached to patriarchal heteronormativity? that's hardly the point of my easy guess about the possibility of there being more than just some GA fundies who are annoyed by his smugness.

All I ask is for a comrade

All I ask is for a comrade to be more considerate of sex issues. It does play an important hierarchical role in our society. To me you calling this person a "sissy" and weak is intricately connected on a personal level. No hate here, just please look at your own associations with male heteronormativity and "strength"

I would say that strength,

I would say that strength, in the sense of personal integrity, is a positive thing for everyone regargless of gender or sexual orientation. There is never a good excuse for being a whiny little bitch.

Uh, maybe don't talk about

Uh, maybe don't talk about the fucking fedex shit on the internet? Although I guess if you're considering talking to the cops, you must not care about sketchiness. It'd be cool if this post got deleted by someone who does, though.

I thought green anarchists

I thought green anarchists liked rocks?!?!?

why is this posted on

why is this posted on anarchistnews? comedic value i guess? this kid is a fucking bird and a waste of skin.. hes got nothing to do with anarchism. his website and the work he does is more like a white, rich kid, twenty-something fantasy camp for wieners

and LOL at the rock and the crying about it

Are you all commenters

Are you all commenters serious? It's funny that someone sent the rock, and funnier that the person is "crying" about it? Are you all just a bunch of middle-school bullies or something? Clearly, Urban Scout felt threatened, or he wouldn't have posted this.

Now, just as clearly, it sure doesn't look like he's an anarchist. But he's never looked like that. Further, this was originally posted at his blog, not to ANews.

This is a really valid critique of horizontal hostility. Horizontal hostility is fucking stupid and embarrassing. Today is yet another in a string of recent days where I've been embarrassed by the anarchist crowd. So I don't really like Urban Scout either. He somehow manages to come off as the hipster of rewilding. So what? He is incredibly useful, promotes rewilding, and I believe has been moving more towards an anti-authoritarian stance as he goes (judging recent blog posts of his to when I first heard about him a couple years back).

So yeah, y'all just a bunch of fucking bullies. Fuck off.

"He is incredibly useful,

"He is incredibly useful, promotes rewilding"
oxymoron?
i think 'horizontal hostility' implies that there is some commonality between the victim and the aggressor. this knob is off in la-la land and i don't know why visitors of @news are supposed to have sympathy for him.
seriously. this is another fucking rich white kid dicking around doing fuck all and then writing a blog about it. and he's got huge delusions of grandeur.. someone sending a rock to this flake is 'an attack on all activists'? get a grip

this was the best article on

this was the best article on a-news in a long time. fucking hilarious! right on urban scout! fucking brilliant. (laughing my ass off and falling on the ground holding my belly it hurts so much from laughing.) buzz from an 'outrageous event' and from a new buzz word for all the urban lifestylers, "horizontal hostility." is it more hilarious that people would agree with this or critique it? for my part i am enjoying both.

LOL--let's all have some re-education camps for the next twelve years about how to discover horizontal hostility in your own identity and how to combat horizontal hostility in the movement. too funny. and a rock--lol--what could be better? urban scout stood back "while his friend opened it"--LMAO. perfect. and inside? a rock. perfect. just as lively and dancing as a movement composed of people who would take this seriously!

wake up y'all and have a good belly laugh. maybe it will knock a little of the fear out of your center.

--laughing hyena

why do you have to say rich

why do you have to say rich white bitch thats insulting to someone me because im rich and white but im not some punk ass bitch like this kid

"By their decision to aid

"By their decision to aid those in power using tactics of paranoia and intimidation I have no qualms leveraging the legal system created by those in power against them."

Noobs take note; this is what we call a bitch move. I apologize for using a sexiest term, but that's what it is. Homie is over-reacting.

compare and contrast this guys pity party with another comrade's similar experience involving a rock: http://www.anarchistnews.org/?q=node/9825

A couple things to

A couple things to note:

Urban Scout probably didn't post this on anarchist news as it is categorized as "funny." It was pasted from his blog which you should really check out because there's a lot more funny over there. Do a youtube search for extra credit.

The guy is obviously a little weird and at least a little self obsessed (see selfish). Calling the cops (and FedEx for christssake) is one thing, but attempting to justify it to his readership (which i imagine to be comprised of more than a few anarchists) demonstrates some mighty poor judgment. I mean, a large portion of normal people wouldn't call the cops over a rock in a box.

Don't trust him, move on.

Infoshop has too much

Infoshop has too much mainstream shit and this site has too much wingnut shit.

Also, two captchas per comment WTF?????

This again says a lot about

This again says a lot about 'primitivist' and the fact that they are rarely ever anarchists. Why the fuck would you even go through the fucking hassle to try and catch someone. Using the means that you say your against. Why would you fucking 'catch' someone? Your such a fucking pathetic leftist-escapist shit bag - should have blown you out of the water. Anarchist die in other countries from the cops and fucking idiots in the US fucking hand over anarchist. (if the person that even sent it is an anarchist)

-Sophia

hipster scout is not a

hipster scout is not a primitivist.

You stupid cop calling

You stupid cop calling snitch ass fuck. How about you split that rock down the middle, throw half of it in your face and the other half at the scumbag woman hating @News anons in this thread.

Hell yeah.

Hell yeah.

The whois information for

The whois information for urbanscout.org gives Peter's full name and a Portland address on 34th street. If that was where the rock was sent, then the whole world could have sent it.

"and a Portland

"and a Portland address"

ugh, figures

A) I think that pranks like

A) I think that pranks like this are hilarious and Urban Scout needs to lighten up.

B) I do agree more and more with what Scout says about green anarchists and their douchbaggy insular little subcultural fetishism. That's why I no longer identify as a primitivist even though I fully endorse the critique and want to see civilization fall. Intra-tendency (and AP has become much like any old exclusionary Marxist tendentious dogma) celebrity smackdowns don't do shit to dismantle civilization. And I can't see why Scout gets so much flack for having a blog, it gets anti-civ ideas out past the subculture and hey, what anarcho-primitivist doesn't use the internet now? I've seen many of you on MySpace and Facebook and even JZ who admirably held out quite some time has a hotmail account. Did you learn nothing about the ridiculousness of puritanism from the Situationists? Shit, Hakim Bey doesn't have a computer, so who's more anti-tech in practice now?

wewillwinanarchy- "B) I do

wewillwinanarchy-
"B) I do agree more and more with what Scout says about green anarchists and their douchbaggy insular little subcultural fetishism. That's why I no longer identify as a primitivist even though I fully endorse the critique and want to see civilization fall. "
just because you wnat to fall in line with the crowd that wants to give jensen a blowjob doesn't make you any less of a douche for generalizing a whole group of people whether primitivists or green anarchists (as well as your grouping the two together, of which some consider themselves both and others do not).

"Intra-tendency (and AP has become much like any old exclusionary Marxist tendentious dogma) celebrity smackdowns don't do shit to dismantle civilization."
again with the generalizations and making it out into some giant ideology that everyone is following who associates themselves with the label "primitivist". just because kevin tucker or john zerzan say something doesn't mean every primitivist automatically agrees with everything they say.
and as far as their criticism of derrick jensen, of which i presume is what you are referring to with the "celebrity smackdowns" comment. spending hours upon hours every week on anarchistnews.org (of which you apparently do) arguing with a bunch of douche bags and posting comments about shit that you've apparently been too lazy to look at in full, isn't doing much more to dismantle civilization. apparently though critiques of authors work no longer is of value, Green Anarchy, Species Traitor, Green Anarchists, as well as other anti-civ zines that have review sections apparently aren't pure enough for your eyes in the pursuit of dismantling civilization (and if you're so pure get off the fucking internet world and do something yourself you fucking nerd). and as far as i'm aware urban scouts attitude is more aligned with the idea of "fuck it, it's over, lets party" then it is with actually doing anything to end civilization, other then of course, blogging about it.

"And I can't see why Scout gets so much flack for having a blog, it gets anti-civ ideas out past the subculture and hey, what anarcho-primitivist doesn't use the internet now?"

your not the sharpest tool in the shed, now are you? he gets his own stupid drama out there to try and create himself into some celeb while turning anti-civ theory and rewilding (which to him is setting up a tipi in his friends' backyard in an urban place in order to "reconnect" with the Earth) into some stupid hipster bullshit (least attempting to at least). also, it's called cultural appropriation, look it up.

"just because kevin tucker

"just because kevin tucker or john zerzan say something doesn't mean every primitivist automatically agrees with everything they say."

No, but they seem to believe it does. Soon KT will be declaring war on Zerzan since Zerzan committed the terrible sin of cleaning peoples' feet, a genocidal ritual if I've ever seen one. Anarcho-Primitivism is a clique of puritans in which a few personal friends dictate what counts as party dogma and whoever disagrees should cut ties (John Moore and David Watson) or prepare for attack (Derrick Jensen.) I've yet to see a meaningful critique of Jensen besides a few minor points, it mostly always regresses into some sort of moralistic personal attack about masturbating and his musical tastes while masturbating.

"apparently though critiques of authors work no longer is of value, Green Anarchy, Species Traitor, Green Anarchists, as well as other anti-civ zines that have review sections apparently aren't pure enough for your eyes in the pursuit of dismantling civilization"

Those magazines had meaningful critiques. The recent ones involving Jensen and Scout do not.

"and if you're so pure get off the fucking internet world and do something yourself you fucking nerd"

That is the exact opposite of what I said. I said the obsession with anti-tech purity is pointless and hypocritical. The old joke about telling who is an Anarcho-Primitivist by their blog isn't really a joke. It's a fact.

"he gets his own stupid drama out there to try and create himself into some celeb while turning anti-civ theory and rewilding (which to him is setting up a tipi in his friends' backyard in an urban place in order to "reconnect" with the Earth) into some stupid hipster bullshit (least attempting to at least). also, it's called cultural appropriation, look it up."

I would hardly call Scout a celeb. Does he have a radio/TV show? No. Does he have a zine? No. Does he have a book deal? No. I mean, shit, for the early days of his blogs existence he even stayed anonymous. Scout makes the idea of rewilding accessable outside of those already converted to the AP gospel. It was his and Ran Prieur's blogs that first made me think rewilding might actually be something I could do. Most primmos may not have the hipster fashion like Scout, but they certainly have the hipster "I'm talking past you, not at you" attitude that Scout does not have. The most common criticism of AP is that the entire theory is cultural appropriation. Kevin Tucker more than anyone has received such baseless attacks. Should we not adopt viable elements from primal lifeways as part of the process of rewilding?

I believe Scout likes to

I believe Scout likes to refer to himself as a "celeb" actually. His website is down while he hides, or is "on vacation", but I think it's pretty clear he's got a fair amount of megalomania in him. Maybe that's just his hipster style, but I think his megalomania/paranoia sorta fit together and they're on full display with how he presents himself and his work publicly. Not to mention his colossal over-reaction to the said rock.

Anyhow, regarding the direction of anarcho-primitivism, I don't think what you stated is really true. That is, that somehow Zerzan and Tucker are canonizing texts and works. Perhaps they are heard better based on reputation, but that doesn't mean it will always be this way or that somehow they are trying to control things. All of us have our own ideas and theories. Sometimes those line up with others and sometimes they don't. Zerzan and Tucker probably don't always see things in the same light, but perhaps they work things out. I find it doubtful that their friendship will end because of the foot washing event. What is more obvious here is that Scout, and Jensen for that matter, get very bitter and defensive when a critique (even rather mild ones) gets under their skin. Thick skinned they are not. "Horizontal hostility" isn't really such a bad thing, especially if you're concerned with a small group deciding on what becomes party dogma. I, for one, wish many anarchists had this "horizontal hostility" attitude towards 19th century anarchists so they could move beyond them rather than just trying to patch up their failings.

Scout is nice as an introductory character, but simply stated - there is not much depth to his act. I actually think the same criteria can be applied to Jensen, where he's useful up to a certain point but if you push for more depth then you won't find it in his work.

I just wrote this to Will

I just wrote this to Will privately, but I'll state it here for whoever Will thought he was informing.

John is one of my best friends. Has been for almost a decade and will continue to be. I fuck around with all my friends and it's something we do all the time without question and without calling the pigs. I posted about John's foot washing deal after he stated it on his radio show and said it's "heckle material".
"declaring war"
GROW THE FUCK UP. Fucking internet dumbshits. If you get off the computer a minute maybe your skins will thicken and you'll realize this blog-comment thing is weakening anarchist "debate" because it's become some personality cult rather than ideas. You think what Urban Scout says on youtube or my jabs at him have some long lasting effect on the state of anarcho-primitivism? Sorry kids, that's not how it works. Some mean things get said about abhorrent ideas in discussions, but it's the discussion that changes the flow of ideas, not 'who-said-what'.
I'm not making grand debates with Scout and it's a part of the deal with Jensen, but most of it is calling out this garbage attempt for fame and the death of debate that they've tried to spear head.
And what happens? It becomes camps: John and I with our "accolades" versus Jensen, Scout and their fans. Fuck that. This isn't a sport. There's a lot of anarchists who are very rightfully pissed off at Derrick and Peter's tirades of bullshit. This is a CALL OUT. And they get UGLY.
Until all you inter-douches learn the difference between anarchist debate and cult of personality, well...we'll just stay ugly.

And if you think the attacks on Jensen have no critique, you haven't been listening. But as I'll state a million times, if you keep up on the blog/message board crap, you'll never be up on anything. It's too quick and meaningless to continue wasting time on.

Scout has posted that he's tried to get a reality tv show. He has a youtube channel. He has a blog that is more about him than his ideas. He's tried pushing himself as one of Derrick's crew. And anonymous? You mean before he posted that Urban Scout is a character he created as a film project? Whatever, he's always had a million photos and it was always about him. Whatever hype you want to create/perpetuate for him, just know it's going to get checked. He's trying to be a celebrity. Myself and whoever else has had their autonomy stolen from them for being wrongly round up as merely "a part of my posse" are just cutting them down in anarchist fashion.
For wildness and anarchy,
KT

And I just wrote this

And I just wrote this back.

AP has become too theoretically diverse to be considered a singular, internally consistent theoretical camp, which doesn't necessarily have to be a negative value. Really, it's arguable if such a consistency ever existed. I just find some recent developments distasteful and have chosen to dissociate myself from the term "anarcho-primitivism" although I fully endorse the fundamental critiques of domestication and so on. I'm glad John will always be your friend, I think he remains one of the most incisive anarchist writers around. Such is that.

wewillwinanarchy- "No, but

wewillwinanarchy-
"No, but they seem to believe it does."
so you've consulted with every AP persyn out there to confirm this i take? seems irony that you would push this label of followers towards anarcho-primitivists in all of this drama revolving around jensen and scout when its jensen himself which has established his own little cult following.

"I've yet to see a meaningful critique of Jensen besides a few minor points, it mostly always regresses into some sort of moralistic personal attack about masturbating and his musical tastes while masturbating. "

that's because apparently the only thing you've paid attention to as far as criticism towards derrick goes is the fact that he wrote about masturbating to porn while listening to UFO. tucker has been more then vocal about jensen's romanticizing indigenous warfare, of which, anyone who's read brian ferguson's work (who's name has been widely mentioned to anyone who cared to actually do the research on warfare) or any other anthropologist on war knows that he's full of shit when he makes it out to be some game which was all about play and not really violent at all. that's more than a minor point when he's mentioned it more then once. other critiques involved jensen putting himself into a leadership type position and creating his own group of followers defending him from the death and acting like he's untouchable as far as criticism. his arrogance and ego are major topics which should be brought up, and in which he should be criticized on.

it's also worth addressing jensen's lack of critique of agriculture, symbolic culture, hierarchy, domestication, sedentism, and essentially anything other then industrialism and the modern form of the institutions that exist as i believe has been mentioned. and his recent work does deserve to be criticized and has been criticized for the reformist direction that it has taken, pushing people in the direction of working within the system to change things. fuck, his "side with the living" article lacked any real point to it other than him rambling on trying to be thoreau in a shitty way. and one could go on. there is lots to jensen that is there and HAS been brought up that are more then just minor points. but you're right, that's all just about jensen masturbating to internet porn while listening to UFO in order to critique pornography and show his disgust for it.

"Those magazines had meaningful critiques. The recent ones involving Jensen and Scout do not."

that's a matter of opinion, and mostly the opinion of people who want to believe that neither Bauer (and lets stop giving this clown the liberty of addressing him by his little made up character) nor Jensen should be criticized, as if they are untouchable even when they say stupid shit and act like morons (especially when Bauer is calling the pigs on people for sending a fucking rock and making it out to be as if his life has been threatened). bauer has been touting himself as some authoritative figure on rewilding who knows the "way" to do it as if he's some specialist. but if you're really going to say how they have no meaning to them-these critiques that is-then you really should be addressing all of the criticism at them and showing how they shouldn't be brought up. just because you say it has no meaning, doesn't mean it doesn't.

"That is the exact opposite of what I said. I said the obsession with anti-tech purity is pointless and hypocritical. The old joke about telling who is an Anarcho-Primitivist by their blog isn't really a joke. It's a fact."

yeah, you apparently misunderstood the direction of that comment so let me explain it. the comment was directed at your comment "celebrity smackdowns don't do shit to dismantle civilization.", in which, participating in endless douche bag arguments on anarchistnews.org aren't doing anything more to take down civilization either. if you know so much about dismantling shit that your in a position to criticize others for their way of going about things, then perhaps you should stop hanging around every fucking anarchist forum that exists (of which your name seems to be on more then a couple) and do shit yourself. if it isn't doing shit to dismantle civilization then why the fuck are you going on about it? or is that you expect someone like kevin tucker to do shit for you while you type away on the internet?
(original responder)

Actually, I missed the

Actually, I missed the "moralistic personal attack" line in the WWWA's previous post. That's HILARIOUS.

Point missed entirely.
Internet - 1
Logic - 0

KT

It's not like someone is

It's not like someone is forcing you to be on the internet.

I think McQuinn had all of

I think McQuinn had all of this figured out years ago. It was my own mistake to enter the scene knowing full well everything that would make me leave it.

"The locus of critique quickly moves from the critical self-understanding of the social and natural world to the adoption of a preconceived ideal against which that world (and one's own life) is measured, an archetypally ideological stance. This nearly irresistible susceptibility to idealization is primitivism's greatest weakness."

And so ends my involvement in this increasingly obsolete discourse.

"news"

"news"

What the hell is 'horizontal

What the hell is 'horizontal hostility'?

urban scout is a fucking

urban scout is a fucking idiot.

an absolute fucking moron.

figures, he lives in portland.

-antioch arrow

for real

for real

It's similar to "Vertical

It's similar to "Vertical hostility" but is corrected on your t.v. with that knob on the back next to the horizontal noob.

LOL, fucking hilarious this

LOL, fucking hilarious this dudes reaction to a frickin rock.

Paranoid pussy (yeah I said it and don't care about political correct culture bullshit, be a real woman and don't be offended!)who thinks that in this day and age that nothing can be tracked down on a library computer.

I suggest learning to investigate on his own, leave the authoritarians out of it and send something back!

"If you scared motherfucker

"If you scared motherfucker go to church."

A few years ago an ex of mine sent me a package full of rotting hamburger meat with a note saying that when I least expected it someone was going to stab me in the stomach. Did I call the cops? No, I did the right anarchist thing to do and dealt with it in a way which we won't discuss on the internet. And we all lived happily ever after.

My advice to Urban Scout: If you're concerned about your safety, go buy yourself a crossbow or something. Never give the pigs any excuses to poke around the @ scene, lest you end up with more numerous and serious enemies then you started with.

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I had to put my thirteen

I had to put my thirteen year old wolf companion down earlier this year. Bone cancer got her and I do not want to go through that again. I'll stick with the cats I have for now.

Thanks anyway though.

The sexist comments in this

The sexist comments in this thread are really off-putting. How can people who purportedly wish to eliminate social hierarchy so flagrantly embrace verbiage which reinforces the patriachal objectification, disparagement, and control of women?

"How can people who

"How can people who purportedly wish to eliminate social hierarchy so flagrantly embrace verbiage which reinforces the patriachal objectification, disparagement, and control of women?"

Telling me what words I can and can not use will not empower women or change individuals perceived situation.

It only takes away my power and choices and tries to fit me into someone else s perceived pussy way of doing things.

While it is true that

While it is true that language affects thought/perception, the focus on particular terms and the way they make people feel to the exclusion of the larger context (that is, the way one person reacted--publicly--to a box with a rock in it) is why the right-wingers correctly label this kind of distraction PC bullshit. It's the messenger rather than the message, the finger pointing to the moon rather than the moon, the menu rather than the food. This is supposed to be radical politics, not a place where we can't speak for fear of hurting someone's feelings. That said, people should probably choose their words more judiciously.

=Mister Grumpy

sometimes i want a bumper

sometimes i want a bumper sticker that says "mr grumpy speaks for me."

(referencing a bruce lee movie gets you SO MUCH extra credit!)

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