Anarchist murdered by police in Greece

On the evening of Saturday Dec. 6th a police patrol in the area of Exarhia (an area known for its strong anarchist presence in the centre of Athens) was verbally confronted by a few people in the area. Immediately a police officer pulled out his gun and shot a 16-year old (some accounts say he was 15) in the chest in cold blood. The 16-year old was transported to Evaggelismos, a major hospital in Athens, where he was dead on arrival.

The centre of Athens was immediately swamped by police, while people gathered at Evaggelismos. The crowd there twice repelled police who attempted to enter the hospital. There have been numerous reports of confrontations between people and police riot units at Tsamadou, Polytechnio, Acropoli, Panteios and Ermou (different locations and schools in Athens). There are massive gatherings at Polytechneio while the Law School and ASOEE have been taken over by students.

Spontaneous demonstrations, marches and confrontations are being reported all over Greece, including Thessaloniki, Mytilini, Giannena, Komotini, Iraklio, Xanthi, Serres, Hania, Alexandroupoli, Sparta, and Volos .

Major marches have been scheduled for 13:00 Athens time
Sunday December 7th in Athens, Thessaloniki, Xania and Patra.

Just read about this on the

Just read about this on the BBC. The boy's political leanings and the circumstances are not being reported, but I figured that the actions against the state were by our own. With Solidarity from North America!

Solidarity with our Greek

Solidarity with our Greek comrades! And always remember, "when you push people around, some people push back!"

Solidarity!!! I hope the

Solidarity!!! I hope the anarchists get to those cops before the state does.

-Eyedea

why? what would you like to

why? what would you like to have happen: murder in revenge for murder?

What!? Did I even place the

What!? Did I even place the word murder in that comment? I don't think so. I was simply implying that it would be nice for a change if the victims of police repression and execution caught their assailants/murderers before the pigs had a chance to run back to the state for safety and protection. But, I think the actions that have been taken so far by our greek comrades have been good enough. And don't even think of trying to say that the destruction of property in retaliation for police execution is somehow morally wrong, because then I'm just flat out not going to like you...at all.

-Eyedea

Pathetic. You want the

Pathetic. You want the protestors to give the cops a good beating if not deadly injuries, and yet you are too cowardly to come out and say so. What a wanker.

i'm not. I say do it.

i'm not. I say do it.

Well...you're a fucking

Well...you're a fucking dickhead. How's that been working out for ya so far?

Anyway...I kinda thought 'bout it and now I'm freaked out, that could of been me. I mean, I'm 16 too, and there are plenty of pigs with itchy trigger fingers in my city. And yes I do want those pigs dead.

D-E-A-D

Satisfied, or is it too late to redeem myself?

-Eyedea

now I understand why all

now I understand why all your posts read like they are written by a 16 year old boy: they are written by a 16 year old boy!

"fucking dickhead" -- priceless!

Are you mocking me? If

Are you mocking me? If you're trying to do so, well, it's failing...miserably. I'm just going to stop posting comments on this article. It's become obvious to me that a few individuals would rather just be "fucking dickheads", than express solidarity with the boy and his family, as well as celebrate what our Greek comrades have achieved. I would also appreciate it if you clarified how exactly someone should go about the process of differentiating between the writing styles of physically maturing and physically mature people. I know I have a tendency to "personalize" or maybe "stylize" my comments now and then with slang, abbreviated words, etc. But I think I am at least minimally capable of maintaining a mature and intelligent writing style.

...when the mood strikes me.

-Eyedea

Oh, and just in case you

Oh, and just in case you weren't mocking me...thank you for not being a fucking dickhead.

-Eyedea

You know what, I take

You know what, I take everything I said back.

I was a coward. I just saw footage of the shooting.

I'll see if I can post it. I hope they gut those pigs, just like I hope they gut the pigs who assaulted that girl. Fucking murderers.

-Eyedea

You weren't a coward,you

You weren't a coward,you were human,the easiest thing to be,you're young,you're passionate about your beliefs,,,dont worry about it,,

Where can you find

Where can you find footage?

-RJ

Look at "recent blog posts",

Look at "recent blog posts", you will see "Solidarity with Greece". I posted the url of the video; copy/paste it into google or youtube. I also posted a communique from the polytechnic university. It isn't graphic or violent, just people on a fire escape, or maybe looking out a window (?) with a video camera. It's very dark and you can only see one street dimly lit by the street light; their are a two maybe three figures below shouting, the camera turns slightly to the left, you hear two gun shots. I'm guessing either one or both hit Alexandros. Some reports said three shots were fired but you can only hear two. The people above the street with the camera start saying something like, "I can't believe that just happened!"

-Eyedea

Fuck 'em. Just fuck 'em, I

Fuck 'em. Just fuck 'em, I hope they rot.

Murder in revenge? No, A

Murder in revenge? No, A balancing. Remove the illness (murduring cops), and the populace can proceed without the limitations imposed by the pathetic weak cops. Don't misunderstand me, there are good cops. The sick ones make the news.
An armed populace is the balance to a tyranical government.

mijaboot

Shoot at me and I will shoot

Shoot at me and I will shoot back!!

Solidarity!

spOOk

"A police statement about

"A police statement about the boy's death said the incident started when six young protesters pelted a police patrol car with stones. The 16-year-old boy was shot as he tried to throw a fuel-filled bomb at the officers, police said."

Concern troll listen

Concern troll listen up

'...Two police officers were charged over the shooting - one with premeditated manslaughter and the other with abetting him.
A police statement said one officer fired three shots after their car was attacked by a group of 30 youths in Exarchia. A police official said the officer described his fire as warning shots but witnesses told Greek TV he took aim at the boy...'

Maybe some police will now also be charged with making false statements?

Where's that from?

Where's that from?

http://www.reuters.com/articl

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE4B601720081207?sp=true

"A police statement about

"A police statement about the boy's death said the incident started when six young protesters pelted a police patrol car with stones. The 16-year-old boy was shot as he tried to throw a fuel-filled bomb at the officers, police said."

Police have been known to make false reports. Let's see some evidence to back this up.

Oh yeah, right, the police

Oh yeah, right, the police are just like politicians. They never lie and only have others interests at heart!

spOOk

this is bullshit my

this is bullshit my friend.you know nothing and you dare to talk about the incident!he was my friend and the only thing he did is to talk with the policeman(fuckerman).so what do you have to say.
p.s.even if he had thrown a stone at the car(thing he havent done)its not right to shoot a boy or anyone else.you think its fair???????

you all dont have the right to talk about this if you dont know the truth!!!!

Solidarity with our Greek

Solidarity with our Greek comrade.
Thoughts, strenght and warmth to his family, friends and closest comrades!

/Love, riot anarchy!

Solidarity with the ones

Solidarity with the ones fighting the pigs, the boys family and comrades. /Stockholm

Solidarity!! With the boy

Solidarity!!

With the boy his family and those in the streets!!!

From Copenhagen

Solidarity from Atl. Ga. I

Solidarity from Atl. Ga. I have always been very impressed with the Greek Anarchists, it seems I am always reading about Direct Action taken by Greek anarchists. Unfortunately the people who care about humanity the most are most often victimized. Love to his family and friends.

Solidarity from Ontario.

Solidarity from Ontario. Hopefully this action doesn't get co-opted by the Communist party as has been known to happen, or the revolutionaries lose steam.

Don't calm down!

I love the Greeks... they

I love the Greeks... they always seem to have their shit together.

Health comrades Miliciano

Health comrades
Miliciano Libertario.

This it will be the beginning of the Social Revolution.

Salud

PROTEST AT THE GREEK

PROTEST AT THE GREEK CONSULATE, NEW YORK CITY
Wednesday, December 10th at 12:00noon
69 East 79th Street, New York

MEET at the 77th [6] Subway station (77th and Lexington) at 11:45am so we can go over as a block.

http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2008/12/101985.html

I have really mixed feelings

I have really mixed feelings about people in the US protesting a murder half way across the globe when people (who are dying as unjustly as our Greek comrade ) are dying all around us in this country. It seems as disconnected as the hope bloc... but from the other direction.

Well out of respect for the

Well out of respect for the family of the deceased child,this tragedy shouldnt be politicized or acted on until the family have laid him to rest and they decide on procedures.Thats basic courtesy as far as I'm concerned.Folk cant go around like a pack of vengeful wild dogs tearing down things just like the very people they oppose.Media are in it for the dollars,create hysteria,get some good shots.Millions of children die horrible preventable deaths every year,backyard,interstate,all over this rotten system,and you dont get a squeak from media cos who wants to hear about the trailer park kid with the alcoholic gambling parents who ods.There are good cops and bad cops outside the interrogation room.We have to deal with our own backyards first,or move. Great Ape

I understand your sentiment.

I understand your sentiment. But I don't really see it as a just a protest about a murder halfway across the globe. I view it as more of a solidarity action for the people resisting the state there. On the comment section of this article there have been many statements of solidarity and I believe the most effective way to demonstrate solidarity is by taking action. I also think that we should all view these actions in Greece as a valuable lesson. The Greek reaction to this murder displays the lack of our reaction to similar events here. I saw this one comment on infoshop. They wrote, "The reasons so many gains that allow the activities to happen in Greece to happen is BECAUSE of struggle, struggle that people in the States need to step up and realize that those impossible acts aren't so impossible at all."

There is a lot of talk about revolution but situations don't just create themselves; we must make them happen. And the people of Greece resisting now are demonstrating that. So I feel its ample time to show solidarity, even if it may be lacking in intensity as is typical in the States.

This Greek situation is a

This Greek situation is a little more complex than is made out. I'm not looking at my notes here, but if I remember correctly, there were several regime collapses that largely fueled a radical student movement that Greece's anarchists are largely a part of. I can't remember when explicit anarchists began their participation with the students radicalized by the failures in the system. "Just do it!" should be given some brevity, but the social context is the larger catalyst.

Rather that seeking to instigate mass action, we probably could connect with others in our daily lives and report our experiences here and in other mediums to create an understanding of what type of world we live in and how people are resisting or are experiencing life in the present.

Situations of resistance are created by understanding the subjective experiences of those around them and exposing how they are subjected. People can be agitated with this knowledge. How they respond from here varies. Many times it goes no where, but sometimes something happens and a situation is created.

I've seen agitated workers drive forklifts straight into the doors to the warehouses, legitimize their expropriations, knock over merchandise, walk of the job, quit, call off, walk off, threaten to form a union, appeal to the unions, strike, punch petty bosses and casually sabotage the workplace. I've seen it expand from a personal dispute into a shared dispute and I've seen some attempt at social action without communicating to any institution or filing grievances with the bosses. The grievances instead justified our personal reasons for participating in attack, but did not seek reconciliation.

Though I use the workplace as an example, there are other institutions one could interact with that continue to fail in ways that catalyze situations towards potential action. I've discussed in other areas that child protection services, the police, mental health and the domicile (marriage) are institutions that also fail in ways that can be agitated into personal action and perhaps social.

Just some thoughts on the matter that challenge a "just do it" approach to use that driving initiative for experiments in agitation.

I have to say Wombat, just

I have to say Wombat, just about every time I read your comments, they are always great food for thought. I also have to say that I agree with your wider argument in this comment. But I should make clear that I am not calling for a "just do it approach" as a "driving initiative for experiments in agitation" in an overall context. Simply put, I feel that there needs to be some demonstration of solidarity coming from the States. It seems to me, that it would be kind of a shame if there were not at least a few actions in solidarity considering the gravity of the situation.

In regards to social transformation, and consistent, efficient agitation/resistance I believe you are completely right. But I think we should also question our own power, as anarchists. What possibilities are open and how can we experiment? Is there greater room for experimentation; has there been any change in conditions lately? These are things we should question immediately. You're definitely on point when you wrote, "Situations of resistance are created by understanding the subjective experiences of those around them and exposing how they are subjected." But it seems to me that a lot of us have some understanding, or at least have strong opinions. And without the experimentation we will never be certain just what we can achieve and what may not be possible right now.

Yeah, I have to give props

Yeah, I have to give props where props are due, and I definitely have to give props to Wombat. He's been more frequent with the forum topics, blogs, and posted comments. I'm not going to lie, sometimes I have trouble trying to comprehend what he's trying to get across in his posts, but that's definitely a fault on my part. I guess I should hike my ass up to the good ol' public library and see what's poppin. Actually, I was wondering if anyone (preferably all of you) could make any suggestions as to what I should look for when I'm searching for reading material, it would be much appreciated.

-Eyedea

your in the right place than

your in the right place than eyedea, i am full of suggestions. i'll go into other things as they come up but since my obsessive focus right now is technology i will start off with some titles there so here we go:

"the long emergency" by: james howard kunstler
"collapse" by: jared diamond
"end game" by: derrick jensen (two volumes)
"the technological bluff" by: jaques elull
"the 20th century" by: clive ponting (a good history of that period, showing how most of us have lived through it as exploited peasents rather than benificaires of technology though i don't know if this was the aim the author had in mind)
"in search of the primitive" by: stanley diamond
"the other side of eden" by: hugh brody
"facing west" by richard drinnon
"darkness in el dorado" by: patrick tierney
"stone age economics" by: marshall salins

this overlaps into anthropology as you might or might not have noticed. these are not the only reading suggestions i have, of course, but they pop immidiatley to mind given my concerns of late. give me an idea of what you want to read and perhaps more later if i have anything of help.

-lord rambler

jared diamond also wrote

jared diamond also wrote 'the rise and fall of the 3rd chimpanzee',after reading it I thought I would much more prefer the company of the 1st or 2nd chimp.

I love your reading list,

I love your reading list, Rambler. I completely agree that any study of anarchism needs a solid base in anthropology.

As for the riots in Greece, what is the next step? If smashing windows and burning cars is all that comes from it then nothing has been gained and that poor boy's death has been in vain (as most are). I am loath to tell others how to live their lives, but in my opinion, now is the time for the Greek anarchists to form into groups and take back the means of control in their lives. What I mean by that is that without state control or state monopoly on violence, they can take over factories and farms and produce goods for the community, not for a profit. People need to provide food, clothing and shelter for themselves and their families, and the world needs to see that anarchists can do all these things as well as smash windows and burn cars. And yes, it is much more complicated and much harder and much more time consuming than destroying the state, but it is much more important as well. If you are going to destroy the state you have to have a plan for how you are going to survive in the morning.

And as an aside, I don't think murdering anyone, including the cops, is a good idea. The cops are evil not because evil people become cops. They are evil because having a monopoly on violence creates evil in people. I contend that some of the anarchists on this site, if made cops long enough, would abuse their power over fellow citizens (or even anarchists). Hell, I can easily imagine myself abusing power over my enemies if given free reign to beat them without repercusions. So lets remember why cops shoot kids, the power corrupts the cops, who otherwise may have been fine upstanding anarchists!

well good doctor we

well good doctor we definitly have different views about production (though given what is around, siezing it for personal/community use for a survival mechanism would probably be advised, i just wouldn't try to turn it into a self managed society of production, i think that leads full circle back to this, but then i also don't control others actions and i shoudln't). as to the other things....

...i don't think we need a solid basis in anthropology but there are some useful things to read there, as well as science, philosophy, physcology, history etc...

...as to murder i basically agree with you. i think it is perfectly "justified" (quotes needed, justice is relative) to kill someone who is immidiately a threat to you (someone, for example, killing someone who wishes to rape them). also, if we lived in a state whose government was based on a dictatorial figure portrayed as unstoppable, all powerful, and infallible, assassination would be the order of the day, but this is not our situation. i can also sympathize with certain revenge murders of explioters by exploitees, it's understandable at least even if it accomplishes nothing but getting rid of an asshole but, no, i don't think radical change and killing people are synonomous or anything and the less of it the better really as all we are is people, there are no angles or demons here. but like i said, if it comes to it killing is understandable to me: i would rather murder another human and be free than accept their boot on my neck is what i mean here, if it ever came to that.

-lord rambler

Justified and justice do

Justified and justice do share an epistemology, if I'm not mistaken. However, they are two different words with two different meanings.

I think we both are critical of the word "justice" as it is used by some anarchists and leftists. "Justify" isn't the same as justice as I understand the word. Justify is to show adequate or reasonable grounding for something. "Justice" seems to be tied to concepts of moral correctness or rightness.

"Justification", when used as a legal term, is tied deeply to "justice" as in "justifiable homicide". A "justified" act would exempt the actor from legal retribution. However, I would argue that "justify" is used in a common manner most of the time and has stronger ties to making aggressive action seem reasonable to subjects other than the state.

I'd argue that we can create personal justifications for our actions and expose how our personal justifications are tied to a greater social context of action and resistance.

A surrealist would justify their attacks on art using negative criticism of art's role in capitalism to make their acts reasonable, as an example.

i recently learned that in

i recently learned that in artistic terms the way something is justified is the way that it is centered, seems to speak a little to that in an odd way. anyway good thoughts there wombat. i can see shades of both blending into each other personally, ie: justice seems reasonable to some or justified and to some of us, like myself, our reasons (justifications) could be seen as our own justice by some but if the qualifier is to see yourself as objectivly right these would be wrong headed assumptions as i (and you or anyone) is only right as far as it goes (of course this is debatable in terms of facts as we both know, but even facts are filitered by our perception, if nothing else our selection of given facts among so many facts proves this). obviously if/when people are going to act, if they act and if it really comes from them and not what they have been taught, on justifications as well they should (or i would hope).

-lord rambler

Good thoughts on the matter

Good thoughts on the matter as well Lord Rambler. Perhaps it makes more sense to point to specific uses of "justice" within the context of argumentation? Like Crimethinc's use of justice demands a correctness with today's social norms and emphasizes the rebellion of the marginal. They seek to seize the concept of justice and make themselves the center of moral rightness, standing as an opposing pole to today's social norms.

I'd say that Crimethinc consistently behaves like this. It wasn't until after they purged the traveler kids and went through several administration changes to Crimethinc websites that their alliance with activism and the new new left developed. I'll create some stronger proofs in another topic on this, but I'd say circa 2004 Crimethinc started to exemplify a new morality. This would be connected to their attempts to control their events and transform them into "safe spaces" for sober kids.

yeah, it is a goddamn bad

yeah, it is a goddamn bad joke. what could they hope to accomplish if they got their way anyhow? becoming the new category of right life? shit, that would merely necessitate the targeting of people like them by people like me.

-lord rambler

Thanks rambler, I've

Thanks rambler, I've copy/pasted all of your suggested literature into a save file and now I'm just gonna hope that the public library carries 'em. If not, well maybe I can find some online versions. As far as what I'm looking for, well, I've been hoping to look into anti-civ thought, which is probably well covered by what you've already suggested. I've also been looking for info on anti-political thought as well, probably post-leftism too, history pertaining to greek anarchism, info on the Paris Commune (sounds amateurish I know, but I just haven't gotten around to studying the Commune). I'll keep it at that for now, I don't want to overload myself with books. Any other suggestions people would like to make? Don't be shy!

-Eyedea

Eyedea- Just to add on a few

Eyedea-

Just to add on a few to Ramblers suggestions.

Paul Shepard's books are all great. Nature and Madness is one I would definitely suggest.
Chellis Glendinning is also great, "My Name is Chellis and I'm in Recovery from Western Civilization"
Jean Liedloff's "The Continuum Concept" (easily one of the best books there is)
Derrick Jensen's "Welcome to the Machine"
Fredy Perlman's "Against His-Story, Against Leviathan".
William Catton's "Overshoot: The Ecological Basis for Revolutionary Change"
If you can find books by or that include or are edited by or whatever, anthropologists Richard B. Lee, R. Brian Ferguson, Tim Ingold, James Woodburn, John Bodley, those are some good authors, although I'm not sure the liklihood of a library having them but they are all good authors. If any, you would probably find Lee. I'm not sure if a library would have others or not though.
And of course, Zerzan's work too which everyone knows about and if you haven't any, most of a few of his books can be found at http://www.modukit.com/anarhija-blok45/zerzan/sadrzaj/textz.html#etc-texts
Kevin Tucker's Species Traitor zine... I'll leave it at that, since that's already quite a few, but I doubt the library would hold any of those (for sure not KT but it's worth checking out anyways)
Happy reading
-Mkwa

hey mkwa: what is lee's

hey mkwa: what is lee's first name. i think i remember someone saying it was richard but i wanted to know as i have been looking for books by him.

-lord rambler

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