LBC Tabler Physically Attacks Anarchists, in Defense of Eco-Extremism

  • Posted on: 7 September 2017
  • By: thecollective

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2017/09/06/18802615.php

A tabler for Little Black Cart and an associate violently attacked two anarchists after being confronted about their decision to publish Atassa: Readings in Eco-Extremism.
At the Seattle Anarchist Bookfair on Saturday, August 26, several anarchists confronted Little Black Cart about their decision to publish and distribute Atassa: Readings in Eco-Extremism. For those unfamiliar, eco-extremism is an anti-political tendency that arose in Mexico around 2011 with the group Individualists Tending Towards the Wild, or ITS, and has since morphed and spread to other areas. Its practitioners believe in and carry out indiscriminate murder and violence against any humans in supposed defense of “wild nature” and have threatened anarchists in Mexico and other countries with death, going so far as to place a bomb in an anarchist squatted social center. They also claimed the May 3 femicide of Lesvy Rivera in Mexico City, citing the fact that she was drunk among their motivations. Atassa is not ITS, but as a journal and blog applauds their actions, publishes/translates their writing, and is unequivocally of the eco-extremist tendency. Two relevant critiques of ITS here and here, both by Scott Campbell, who himself has been threatened by them for his condemnations.

After voicing these concerns and being met with smug indifference, one comrade ripped Atassa in half. The LBC tabler responded immediately by grabbing this person by the throat from behind the table, pushing through the table, putting them in a chokehold, and taking them to the ground in an attempt to choke them unconscious. A second comrade punched the attacker in the face in an attempt to get them to release the first. In response, an associate of the LBC tabler jumped on the second comrade from behind in defense of the choking attack, taking them to the ground and punching them repeatedly in the head until they were pulled off by bystanders. The physical conflict ended after the attackers were pulled off and both parties were told to leave by bookfair organizers, as per the bookfair policy. The comrade who was choked was fine, the one punched suffered a mild concussion. Both have received overwhelming support.

LBC escalated the conflict to physical violence extremely quickly. Many people in the immediate vicinity had no idea what was going on: all of a sudden, someone was being choked, another was being beaten, and no one really knew why. It was over quickly and people looked on in shock. Another LBC tabler, after witnessing the beatdown, expressed outrage about the property destruction when they found out their $7 book had been ripped in half. The person who put the comrade in the chokehold, after complaining about being kicked out because the other side had “started it,” was asked if the book was worth as much as the comrade’s neck and stated “Yeah it is.”

The publishing of this book and its distribution in anarchist spaces was a move designed to provoke. It provoked. We leave it up to you to decide what anarchism is better off with: a commitment to anti-authoritarian ethics, or post-modern cheerleading of indiscriminate murder committed by those who refute anything to do with anarchism.

Rest In Power Lesvy Berlín Rivera Osorio

Solidarity with Mexican anarchist comrades, especially those facing threats and intimidation from ITS

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Comments

What a bunch of fucking whiners, christ. If you go up to somebody tabling at a bookfair and start ripping their books apart in front of them, what kind of response do you expect? If you're gonna start a fight, don't cry about it when you lose.

Supposed anarchists, who are in actuality hostile to the vast majority of other people who self identify as anarchists, show up to a bookfair with a bunch of the anarchists they hate, peddling this eco sociopathic garbage which is also hostile to anarchists, and then physically attack anarchists because their precious book was damaged or some people said some things that weren't nice about them. Fuck off. LBC wants to make their bed with Atassa, and the likes of racist reactionaries like Sir E around here, fuck them. Seriously, fuck them. It's really disappointing the direction that those still identifying as post left have taken, because the original critique had significant merit. Abe Cabrera is barely indistinguishable from alt right trolling, but LBC finds him and his promotion of eco sociopaths as oh so interesting and worthy of promotion via their own limited resources. Like what the actual fuck? Perhaps your single minded hatred of leftists, over say the clearly more dominant fascists and reactionaries ascending to power right now should tell us something. Perhaps your critique would be more welcome among the garbage heap that is National Anarchists and Ancaps. I hear they hate leftists too, how interesting!

it's the Bay bubble? I met Aragorn a decade ago and he told me almost verbatim the Bay @ scene was "all about cliques, you pick one and hate all the anarchists. I go to the book fair every year and stare at people i hate"

He also said he was working a full time job that was killing him, so I guess "society!"/capitalism functioning as intended?

Being a cop is one tough job I know! Solidarity for Aragorn and his murderous wage slavery.

Lol, wow.

Assuming what you're quoting is even real, who fucking cares? You wanna be the kind of tired moralist who holds people to account for shit they said 10 years ago?

10 years ago you were probably just a child, shitting yourself and crying all day long, but does anyone hold it against you? No. Because it's not relevant to here and now.

Fuckin dipshit.

To be fair, I actually do hold it against them. The dumb, crying, shitting child. Unforgivable!

a shout to dusting off, wisening-up and getting our shit together.
forgiveness is a crutch and anyway, i am not lame or a creep ;…)

ok anonymous 11:29 you took that too seriously. seriously.

Hahahaha. The ubiquitous "nobody likes you" comment. A favorite among people who are totally fucking oblivious to the wider world around them.

Just stop being such a pussy and people will start to take you seriously. Until then, maybe don't start fights you don't want to finish?

Do these words even mean anything to you anleft non anarchists anymore?

how is lbc hostile to the vast majority of anarchists (unless you're saying ancaps are anarchists, which lbc does not)? how is lbc only "supposed anarchists"? why would you say that the anarchists at the seattle bookfair are hated by lbc? how is lbc connected in any way to einzige (regardless of whether he's racist or not)? how do you find lbc hating leftists? how is your attack on lbc any different from what you're saying lbc does with leftists (focusing on the weaker and presumably less-relevant enemy)?

The fanaticism of this comment was a useful tactic to factionalize anarchists by the russian secret police in france, in the wake of the people's will activities in russia.

I, like most anarchists should, hate marx. I'm not going to stop lbc from publishing materials related to that AUTHORITARIAN.

Does that mean they're in bed with marx? No.

Sir E is not racist. He's part black.

Stop throwing people under the bus with guilt by assiciation mania. It's like shit right out of Salem, in the 1600's.

We live in a world where the right and left cannot present any alternative vision of the world, and have resorted to thought policing. This desire for control is not anarchist.

How can we be sure the European part of Ziggy isn't into "reverse" racism?!?!!?!?

Like fanaticism is a flaw. More anarchists could benefit from being fanatical. John Brown was a fanatic. The problem isn't fanatics, and those acting to further anarchy at all costs. It's the people that pay lip service to anarchy out of careerist obligation, while shitting on the efforts of those acting in the real world (as opposed to the literary scenester world) to advance anarchy by referring to them as strugglismos and condescendingly denigrating the work of those engaged in conflictual street actions as just more activism/leftism from the comfort of their armchairs.

Also, the notion that because Sir E is self described as biracial (a claim that can't be verified anyway), that he can't be racist is absurd. Self hating people of all races are capable of being racist, by internalizing white supremacist assumptions and trying to curry favor with dominant white supremacist culture.That's why you can have a Tila Tequila doing nazi salutes, or a Hispanic nazi skinhead in Portland named Raul Gonzalez. Got to do better than that. Some of us are long enough in the tooth to remember Sir E' s racist, reactionary commentary around Ferguson. Cool that he's the defacto voice of the @newz commentariat now, not unrelated to the selective moderation by the collective that favors him and his other sock puppet accounts over his critics.

Sir E is one of the "all lives matter" people you are trying to picture him as. Why is it that anyone who doesn't fall into the trap of identity politics is suddenly racist? Was Amiri Baraka a self-hater?

"Was Amiri Baraka a self-hater?"
Perhaps he was, but sure enough he was a straight-up anti-Semite who hated white people as a class while admitting to liking a few individual whites (especially women). He was a fucking asshole. Too bad he didn't have access to institutional forms of bias to extend his personal prejudices into a systemic form of oppression. So no, despite your inference, he wasn't racist in the same default manner that white people get to be. There is no anti-white infrastructure he could have plugged himself into that had social power anywhere comparable to that exercised over people of color in this shitty country. You're as stupid as those asshats who equate neo-nazis with antifa... It was a good try, though.

Really you IDPol leftard would I really be wasting time here constructing a post left persona as opposed to being on stormfront with the other 2 forum house negroes? You lot are sad. Calling Mike Brown a thug and a loser isn't racism, it's tuesday.

Also racism is primarily prejudice, get that leftarded black power structural marxist crap outta here. Also if you've even listened to the anews podcasts then you'd know that Aragorn and the collective consider me a 'troll'. My posts disappear just like yours.

Some years later Baraka would reflect on this experience in a New York Times article called “A Radical View of Newark,” recalling: “At that time I was a Black Nationalist, a cultural nationalist, who did not understand the reality of class struggle. I thought, and told thousands of people, that black people’s struggle was against white people, period.” The error, Baraka now recognized, was to have thought that by putting a black man in the place of a white politician, “we would truly be on the road to liberation.”

“It is a narrow nationalism that says the white man is the enemy,” Baraka told the Times in 1974. “We were guilty of that, but it’s not scientific at all.” His political work now turned towards organizing cab drivers’ strikes, rather than building a separatist culture. The nationalist experience had shown Baraka that no straight line could be drawn between identity and politics. At one time, that equation had seemed to make sense; black nationalism presented a political program for a demographic structurally marginalized on the basis of its identity. Grounded in material processes of institution-building, nationalist ideology exalted and affirmed this marginalized identity. But it was precisely the racial integration of the American elite, the diversification of the establishment, that made such an equation definitively impossible.

https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-1a/93283486.pdf

I did not know this. I do know that the United Slaves was funded by the FBI as part of the COINTELPRO war on the Black Panthers.
A second aim for this operation was to strengthen any tendency in the black movement that saw (working-class) whites as the enemy, for obvious reasons. Nowadays we have Identity Politicians doing the same.

"would-be heroes get more than they bargained for" - i guess some comrades took all that internet shittalking about bookfair nihilists a little too seriously and thought they could tear someone's stuff up without a response. A for effort guys!

"when asked if a $7 book was worth as much as a minor concussion, the comrade stated, "yes, it was""

Mothafuckin' bookfair nihilists, baby! Down since day #1! ALWAYS into sum-ting...

#savage
#re-wilding
#don'tcareboutnuttin'
#underHILL
#LBCnorth
#scottydoesn'tknow

SHOUT OUTS TO THE ANTI-EVERYTHING CRUUUU!!!

"The person who put the comrade in the chokehold was asked if the book was worth as much as the comrade’s neck and stated “Yeah it is.”"

Lol, savage af.

"In Defense of Eco-Extremism", or in response to being harassed?

"A commitment to ethics" lol... Wow that choice sounds so enticing. Don't tempt me with such a good time! :|

I've always been unimpressed with the capitalist enterprise LBC, gets that fits with a drift toward fascism. Violent defense of capitalist property. ITS fash would be proud.

I haven't lived anywhere with a 'scene' in years. Does this typify what's going on - north amerikan anarchist milieus splitting into antifa and (pro-)fa? I was not surprised to see "an"-caps going full alt right but it's pretty disgusting to see fascist tendencies flourishing among the eco/insurrectionary stuff I used to be down with.

"the capitalist enterprise LBC"

Right. Because I'm sure PM and AK press aren't selling books for cash like everyone else. Fuck you.

"Violent defense of capitalist property"

So, you're cool if I start taking or tearing up your books fam? Well okay then.

"pretty disgusting to see fascist tendencies flourishing among the eco/insurrectionary stuff I used to be down with."

EVERYONE I DON'T LIKE IS LITERALLY HITLER!

What? fuck AK, PM and you too "fam". Save the anti-antifa Godwin's law talking point for 4chan.

Lmao! Then why single out LBC, a motherfucking self-organized tiny-ass publishing operation, for their so-called "capitalism" then, you ignorant freak?

Because they're policing their private property rights, which I guess you're way into, being 'unique' maybe? This isn't a post about the other vendors you ableist fuck...here's a free tip fashbot, anarchists don't use 'freak' as an insult.

Sure tho not that bookfairs aren't subcultural capitalist shitshows that no coincidence always seem to stage such scenes as well as showing up other things wrong with the scene. I've never liked bookfair dominance. You're doing a Russian trollbot-level dodge on ITS fascism tho. "Antifa- SAD!"

I had sex with your dog

my dog probably loved it, when you had sex w him

"anarchists don't use 'freak' as an insult."

'anarchists don't read those types of books'

'anarchists must be like I want them to be or I'll rip up your books and get beat up because i spend more time complaining than learning how to fight.'

i see the issue with your post being about the claim or assumption that groups are either antifa, which is more a particular response to fascism than a simple rejection of fascism, or pro-fascist.
that's some serious reductionism right there.

Y'all admittedly provoked and you're gonna cry about getting choked the fuck out? Please. Anarchy is not fairies and unicorns and people (in the real world, not your po-mo strawman universe) respond to bullshit with violence.

If only the black-clad fluffies would invite me to their parties when they throw one... So disappointing.

Fauvenoir Vs Atassa. No holds barred. All hand weapons allowed.

Oh stfu Fauvenoir, you saggy little ball-bag. You cowboy hat wearing hobbit motherfucker. I got your number, baby. I GOT YO ASS!

You couldn't hand-to-hand combat your way out of a wet paper-bag in a rainstorm, never mind a dry, 200-page book with goddamn spine.

UNLIKE YOU, MUH BABY-BOI !!!

(wreck't)

You couldn't hand-to-hand combat your way out of a wet paper-bag in the middle of hurricane Irma, never mind up against a dry, 200-page book with a goddamn spine.

UNLIKE YOU, MUH BABY-BOI !!!

(that's a wreck)

For your information I once wrote a 800+ pages book when I was still in my edgy 20s. This existentialist drivel, written conscious with the intent of not being a novel in the conventional sense, that was still more worthy and entertaining than this Atassa moralist idiot, did make me feel like I was more brilliant and "enlightened" than most people around.

So let's look at where will be the chauvinism of these Asshatas in 10 years from now if they're still alive or didn't went to work in another division of the police.

Worn for a long time by early-colonial era drifters and buskers. You got drawings from the 18th century of lumpens wearing these in wild urban parties. You know like the parties you never do because you're such an over-civilized conformist lamo who's into other over-civilized cap-wearing tight pants who always pay for everything they got.

Speaking of which... one of the reasons why I've been wearing it was to provoke you spooks-induced pansies like you for years. And it did work, and that's why I kept wearing it, tight pants. But primarily that had to do with protecting from branches when running in the bushes, and not becoming a literal red-neck by shielding (in style) from the Sun's hippie oppression.

I'll single-handely defeat you while picking my nose (in style), but not like I care about your thinly-veiled bragging.

I'm a bit far, these days, from your place too. Doesn't help. And that's no longer my number, btw, son.

Taw taw!

...And I gotta hand it to ya and admit that this rejoinder is a SOLID 10 on 10.

The "over-civilized conformist lamo" remark in particular made me lolololl p hard.

STEALING IT!

So suck my candida-laced balls in another life (or in your dreams!), BE-ATCH.

"I dreams... I walk with yooouuu." - Roy Orbison

As a necessary addendum all of you need to be informed how kimchi and quinoa are a perfect, extremely delicious combination, a grand by-product and perhaps the apogea of our globalized prole culture.

;-) all

"In dreams..."

Sucks to write on a 5.5 inch screen, but yeah I can't hide I'm a big fan of Lynch/Frost. Especially now.

Read the first sentence and vomited at the back of my throat,,,,Thank god Roy O came to the rescue.

Leave me and my 42 pairs of tight pants alone!

(lololol)

Lol, qué?

Sounds to me like some "anti-authoritarians" were attempting to lay down some authority on what people can and can't read, or publish, and ended up getting their asses beat by a bunch of nihilists

Nihilists - 2
Vanguardchists - 1

Is it irony that the alt right free speech is in Berkeley? It's not lost on me.

Whelp I guess that answers the author's question hahahaha. Middle class pc dipshits wanna rip people's shit up right in front of their face and have the other person... what? Take them to mediation? Crybully got bullied back? Boo fucking hoo.
I don't even care about eco extremism or whatever but I'm glad to hear those fucking whiners that ruin everyspace for everyone finally got it. There's probably a call out coming lol

Exactly.

The person who put the comrade in the chokehold, after complaining about being kicked out because the other side had “started it,” was asked if the book was worth as much as the comrade’s neck and stated “Yeah it is.”

First, why would you put "started it" in quotes? This post clearly states that they did start it.

After voicing these concerns and being met with smug indifference, one comrade ripped Atassa in half.

Anyways, The Value Of A Neck is a very simple point. Let's take it from an egoist metaphysics, and leave the subject/object dichotomy in tact for your reading comprehension. There is no inherent value in anything from this perspective. In other words, there is no universal, objective way to value or evaluate anything. It is true that certain subjects (people! the wind! my favorite cat Alaska!) have preferences about how things in the world are: prefer to be closer to some objects/places, prefer to still some movement, eat this or that. These preferences are just preferences, so to speak, but the 'just' applies for all valuation: there is no one more valid way to value things.
So preferences from a subjective position is the only kind of valuation that an egoist is going to do. Let's apply this perspective to the choker, trying to evaluate a neck and a $7 book and comparing them.

Actually, first, lets take the position of the author/confronter here, as it's probably much simpler. I think by asking the question and by writing it here, they mean to imply that the choker is a bad person with immoral values, who thinks that the answer means that the choker sees the book as having a $7 value, compared it with the monetary value of the neck, and decided the asphyxiated neck was worth <$7, perhaps $3. Further, this is an immoral position, because human life ought not have a monetary valuation, and every life should always be objectively valued more than a dead book

Now to the choker's position.
This person is associated with LBC, so he's probably close to the people who produced the book with their labor, their mental energy, and the sweat in the print shop moving paper and ink around. Maybe he even made it himself. He probably is close to the ideas and engages with them, enjoys that and maybe learns from it. If LBC published the book and he's in LBC, it's likely that propagating the ideas for discussion is important to him (see Why Do We Publish Such Objectionable Things). So this book has a tangible meaning in his life, is the product of much toil and thought, and he may even be proud to have produced it. Probably a positive value of the book.

Now, I have heard another version of this story from some birds, and the confronters came to the choker while the choker was reading a book, unengaged with the rabble, and interrupted him. Strike one. Then, they made some argument (or more likely emotional statement) about the book being a Bad Book, which I'm sure the choker has already heard and rejected. Strike two. Then, the choker ripped the book that he probably cared a bout. Strike three. Since the confronter probably started as a complete stranger to the choker, that's all that could have been used to evaluate.

So given that the neck belonged to a person who the choker obviously was annoyed by, it's clear to say that The Value Of The Neck attached to this confronter - from the subjective egoist position of the choker - was negative.

So, when asked if the book was worth more than the comrade's neck, the answer was obviously yes. To the choker, it meant "this person who bothered me and destroyed something I care about, I prefer less to this book I have a positive relationship to". But all this author could hear, due to their moralist humanist framing was "Books are more important than life!".

TL;DR Value is like, your opinion man, so obv I value this book I like more than this asshole I don't.

This should be a zine.

Don't tell anyone I said this, but there's gunna be a brawl at the bay area anarchist book fair. We've been fighting fascism everywhere we see it, and I fucking see it in these eco-nihilist-agitators. I mean seriously guys, they're tryna kill people at the drop of a fucking hat. We MUST confront them. As a moral people, it is our duty to stand up against all forms of violence. That's why we must attack LBC and their tablers.

It doesn't matter that they've proven themselves capable of choking a motherfucker the fuck out, we need to take a stand. NO FASCISTS AT OUR BOOK FAIRS! Both teams should assembler at 12:01 at each sides of the book fair, and fight it out. We gotta win.

Oh and let's definitely not confront any of these groups that don't call themselves anarchist that are tabling at the book fair like Democratic Socialists of America San Francisco, or International Marxist Humanist Organization, because they are our allies, fellow comrades, and LBC, who calls themselves anarchists, ARE NOT anarchists. I think they're dumb and they're fascists. They say they're against the state, and capitalism, and racism, and white supremacy, but can we trust their words? No, we can trust their actions. They sell things, they use violence. They're basically a capitalist state all in one. It's going down and I'm fucking picking sides. See you on the battle field.

Lol, oh yeah. Speaking of money. This brings me back to that time IGD's patreon was still a thing.

IT'S GAINING DOLLARS, BITCH!

What you gonna do when the real truth, the 24-inch pythons and book fair nihilists run wild on you?

To all my little book fair nihilists, say your prayers, take your vitamins and you will never go wrong!

Thank you. Please pass the popcorn.

I realize an even easier way to explain The Value Of A Neck, with bullet points:

  • Nihilism: no value is real, or: nothing has value.
  • Dude's neck has no value.
  • $7 book has no value.
  • They both have no value.
  • The book is worth as much as the comrade's neck: nothing.

Embarrassed I didn't realize the simpler solution first. Nihilism's razor.

I liked the fuller explanation better.

Fuck atassa and anyone who would promote that vile murderous trash.

I was reading Atassa on the bus and three guys who were on their way to work saw the cover, were inexplicably taken over by Wild Nature, and killed everyone on the bus. I'm dead now. Thanks for nothing, Little Black Cart!

Seeing skinny white radicals go at is hilarious to think about.

Fight!fight!fight!fight!fight!

Shaddup u rascist

Rejecting ID pol makes u racist

and fascist

...fascist

This is unbelievable. Whomever wrote this is a huge fucking baby and an embarrassment. To imagine starting a fight and then asking for victimhood cause you got whooped is like, it's a Portlandia sketch thats annoying cause it goes too far.

How were you able to make it out of your mom's basement in the gated community to get to the book fair to begin with? Who let you out?

You fascinate me slightly.

So the guy put the attacker in a chokehold? So what? Dogmatic pacifism has nothing to do with anarchist practice/life-styles/social-interactions, so what is the issue here?

If one fox tries to steal food caught by another fox, then you'd pretty much expect the later to fight back and attack, as form of resistance against the assault. The fox who stole the food caught by the other can't cry out in moral outrage against being attacked in response.

“Whoever will be free must make himself free. Freedom is no fairy gift to fall into a man's lap. What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self.” Stirner

Whoever wrote this needs to get a grip.

I'm not a fan of ITS and have mixed feelings towards the Atassa project and eco-extremist thought and practice, but anarchists who want to cry out in moralist outrage against their activities need to actually consider what anarchy/freedom/wildness actually means.

The moral sentiment of anarcho-liberals seems to be more about appeasing the culture at large (which anarchists supposedly oppose), through narratives that fit its colonialist and racist ideologies. If you expect a movement that is largely located in South-America and Central-America to fit Euro/North-American moral aesthetics then your expectations are racist and you can fuck off. Scott and his pals at IGD might praise antifa and anti-racist activists, but retain a pacifist ideologue that supports and continues the colonialism that this culture is based in.

we have a winner.

use of the term 'post-modern' as though it's cool to just assign a negative without an actual clarification of what's meant. Fuckin' margarine words.

By the OP's own admission, LBC didn't start anything but when it was brought, they finished it. Don't start nothin', there won't be nothin'.

Yo LBC, well fought my friends!

But word up... since we know middle-class PC police are basically cowards who only feel strong in large groups, it's certainly a possibility that they might try to roll up on you at the next BOOfair in overwhelming numbers. And so, it might be wise for your people to start keeping a baseball bat, a can of mace, or perhaps an emergency box of indiscriminate bumblebees under the table for this kind of shit.

ALL-PURPOSE WAR, BABY!

Tho you certainly seem to have everything covered so far with your skills in BJJ and Ground & Pound!

xox

Hahahaha, these fucking crybaby leftards! whining online because they got their obnoxious asses whupped in a fight they started? Id say "give me a fucking break" but this is the BEST thing that ive read so far in this whole eco-extremist vs hand-wringing-leftist debate, and ive been following this shit from the start.

Go LBC!

It's the atrocities theses so-called eco-extremists commit and the content of their world-view that need to be exposed to the full light of day and condemned -- not the fact that they dislike contemporary anarchism. I spent many decades in and around the US anarchist scene, and it's clear that, at least in the US, and I suspect elsewhere as well, contemporary anarchism is a subcultural identity vortex within consumer society. As such it is largely a fraud. Nobody owes a loyalty oath to it. That's a wholly different issue from the antics of murderous clowns.

"It's the atrocities theses so-called eco-extremists commit and the content of their world-view that need to be exposed to the full light of day and condemned -- not the fact that they dislike contemporary anarchism. I spent many decades in and around the US anarchist scene, and it's clear that, at least in the US, and I suspect elsewhere as well, contemporary anarchism is a subcultural identity vortex within consumer society. As such it is largely a fraud. Nobody owes a loyalty oath to it. That's a wholly different issue from the antics of murderous clowns."

KK (like a motherfucker!) is at it again, stalking the scene he can't quit. The jilted lover reduced to begging for attention from everyone who's rejected him after he took his marbles and left the game years ago. And it's pretty rich him wringing his hands over "atrocities" when his favorite historical revolution included thousands and seemingly random executions, and when his alleged solution to another later one would have been the execution of perhaps 2-3000 political enemies. Nothing "murderous" about that, though. That's *real* revolution: a fight to divide the spoils of capitalist plunder and continue the industrial project for total domination. Fucking pathetic.

"Let us all aspire to a prison society! That's real anarchy baby! Line the whiners up against a wall! Death to the pc police! Anarchy is the law of the jungle!" - signed, the LBC fan club

No one wants a prison society. Prison is an awful place, I've been there a number of times, but it can teach you certain methods of operation that are useful. This is 100% dry snitching and shouldn't be tolerated at all. I could care less about whatever dumb book was being promoted and got torn up.

If you think random femicide "for the ancestors" is "wild nature" then just openly go full alt right already please. The more you make fun of anarchist "pussies" the more your true nazi colors are showing. I know it's the cool thing this year but try not to be so mediated and domesticated as to buy into it as a "efficacious" replacement for liberation.

So don't be afraid to let them show your true colors nazi colors are hateful...like the brown soil.

You can delete my comments all day, but it won't absolve you from being tacit rats. Go Google "dry snitching" you fucking nerds.

It's funny because, In prison, "pc" means "protective custody", which is exactly where all these pathetic pc losers would have to do their time, right alongside all the other outed-snitches and child molesters.

They can get away with this level of snitching because they will never be in a situation where it is dire to do so. Their friends and supporters passively accept this behavior and likely even encourage it.

I hear you, but lets also be real: I think we both know the LBC associates aren't gonna face any charges or heat over this, you what I mean?

Still, tho...

That's not the point. It is normalizing the behavior. It's dry snitching masquerading as "accountability". I have seen quite a few people catch cases over exactly this type of thing. It absolutely does *not* matter if it is directly reported to law enforcement. Granted this event is chickenshit, but all it would take is someone hurting themselves slightly more.

You're so much more, hood than us, Steven. We get it. What I don't get is how something Police, security and fucking NEWS sources are already publicly reporting counts as snitching. If I do some crime in broad daylight and get caught it has nothing to do with snitching

What exactly is dry snitching? Is dry snitching complaining about another person's behavior that MIGHT result in criminal charges? Many behaviors we would want to confront openly are bound to have potential legal consequences, and that is not an especially good reason to keep them under wraps. If a person sexually assaults a peer in the community, should that not be discussed because there is a real potential of that person getting arrested? That's an honest question. Should no reporting be done of any behavior, however damaging, because of the potential for blow back? I would say that is arguing for a very stultifying and potentially bordering on "democratic centralism" type view of protecting the group at the expense of the individual.

When you inadvertently expose someone through words or actions. It can also refer to helping authority figures piece things together without directly saying what happened. Most of the time it means having a big mouth and not considering appropriate physical locations

Neither of those things are in this article. As others have said, reporting around this has already happened, and more importantly, the event happened in a public space where there's going to be a ton of witnesses. Now if the bookfair had called the cops to sort this out, then that would be problematic but it appears they just told everyone to leave. If someone gets arrested, it isn't going to be because of this article, but because they were silly enough to start a fight in a public space that was busy.

US anarchism: the anarchy of a kindergarten sandbox, or the anarchy of a high school boy's gym locker room. Vote and the choice is yours.

Or should we start firebombing police stations and making gardens with a bunch of food with zero calories like in Greece?

"I wish the entire human race had one neck and I had my hands around it!"

He'll be back from the dead and tabling at the Pm Press/Ramsay Kanaan's business interest SF annual bookfair.

No one is posting ISIS beheading videos here. Anews has provided a space for ITS communiques when @s in Mexico sure aren't. 99% chance you just described many members of the nihilist tendency that support this LBC tripe.

I don't understand how eco-extremism in any way can be lumped in with egoism or post-leftism, it sounds like the most bloody self-righteous cause of them all. I read Atassa, and while I found it interesting because of its many half-truths, I don't see how hating the fact that you're domesticated does a service to your inner beast. ie, the punchers are the bigger dousches here, which technically makes them the more morally true anarchists

?!

Why not invite Scott Campbell and/or IGD person onto the Brilliant for a discussion?

Yeah! That's a great idea! Let's talk this one out like adults instead of playing scene politics like we are in high school. It is pretty ridiculous these people are painting an enemy out of nothing just because Aragorn and fam are critical thinkers that are also willing to step up when people throw down. We all know eventually, like any Magic: The Gathering game, these social anarchists are going to wienie swarm with their red and black deck and while you have lots of strong creatures in your black and green deck, they will consume you as you have too many forests and swamps and they have low creature costs.

Always. You just can't stop direct damage

Atassa is garbage. ITS is murderous, reactionary bullshit. BUT

A) Picking up a book and ripping it is a clear provocation. If you pick a fight for a worthwhile cause (contesting ITS' presence in anarchist discussions), don't whine about it and act like a victim afterwards.

B) I have no idea who the anti-ITS provocateurs were in this situation, but I will note that many participants in the anarchist scene (especially on the west coast, but elsewhere too) held secret ITS reading groups and cheerled for them for years when they seemed cool and dangerous. It required principled (and well-known) anarchists like 325, CCF and S.C. to politically denounce ITS for the trash it is in order for these conformists to immediately swing to the other side. Luckily many of these reading groups were specifically secret, making it easy now for scenesters to deny their former positions. Their conformist distancing and denunciations are as abstract and ugly as their former cheerleading.

Yeah. So what? It took until around Communique #30 before they were going outside acceptable anarchist boundaries. Before then and remember, they were the ELF or CCF branches in Latin America. Our ELF went down in the Green Scare. There is no context to your shit, you just want to be a judge.

Different commenter: some of us saw this shit coming a lot sooner than others. I'm too lazy and grossed out to reread the communiques but however far back the first reference to being a vehicle for the will of wild nature is? That's the moment where the delusion has set in and now you can justify anything.

I watched some of my contemporaries holding similar secret reading groups too and got creeped the fuck out. I suppose it's impressive that this was happening across the continent though?

I really liked the part where they discuss the concept of being a warrior as an honorable/slavish addiction (could all just be fiction I guess but it seems like a legitimate human concept...) and also the more depressing conclusion of the book. The poetry was extremely stupid, like a bad copy of so much other anarchist rhetoric, same with the crime advice common sense to anyone who's ever fed their inner psychopath

Yeah and beautiful to see that a lot of the responses on this here are either reactionary chest beating or troll reactionary chest beating...i mean i wasn't at this bookfair but still given the information here I'm going to make my troll judgments just like you are doing while you lump me in with the leftists lmfao

325, CCF, et al. were also pro-ITS until they weren't. Maybe you've been watching too much cable news or something, but criticizing someone for changing their beliefs as more evidence is presented (or they have new experiences) isn't an argument I would expect to hold a lot of weight among anarchists. In fact, I can't think of anything more seeped in ideology, in the worst way, than that kind of argument.

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Is there any reason to actually believe that ITS killed Lesvy Berlín Rivera Osorio? https://nacla.org/news/2017/07/31/justice-lesvy-indifference-and-outrage...

No of course not. But ITS still proudly claimed her femecide for the hype and this stupid website publishes their communiques to advance, what? "critical thinking and reflection?" You're not some intellectual vanguard LBC, @news, Aragorn. You're excusing sick media head games about real people's murder. That's why people are done with you. You're misogynists and its not clever or cutting edge or fucking funny.

Yeah! High Five! You tell 'em, person who is clearly one of my many, highly advanced clones raging HARD against these goddamn nihilist primmies at LBC, @news, Aragorn! I mean what the fuck?! You're all guilty of the murders that ITS (or as I like to call them: LBC Mexico) didn't actually commit but were claimed by that fiction writer Abe to make up for his failures at being a Catholic monk or make human friends at Berkeley. You're not fucking funny! How dare you print books with anything that upsets people. Fucking nihilist primmies! My left market ancap robots will end you all! REEEEEEE!

Unit 350988G7, WE DO NOT "REEEEE." PLEASE CONFORM TO GILLIS-CLONE BEHAVORIAL ARCHITECTURE. FAILURE TO CONFORM WILL RESULT IN YOUR PHYSICAL BODY BEING POWERED DOWN AND DECONSTRUCTED.

why are political managers so ready to blame a hypothetical non-group of dialectical, affectatious agitators for some commonplace atrocities instead of calling-out natural civilization for its role in the thought process of the actual killers?

seems to me, ITS' extremity is a parody unto absurdity, of the religious warrior-identity or slave-morality as supposedly exemplified in ideological Savagery by reactionary intentions to destroy The Civ or obtain The Goods and not unlike the egoic-delusional concept of preparing (one's self) for Judgement; whereas such reactionary intentions are rather the epitome of civil-control and quite contrary to the actual, wild situation in which relations are held in such delicate, existential balance, already, not awaiting or hating.

//can't we grasp and digest the irony; for critical insight and reflection toward humane solidarity?
would a more efficaciously organized, activist vanguard be preferred in polite society?
what effect does the focus on condemning ITS' claims offer to the legacy of these deaths?
how does such condemnation work to prevent further atrocity?
what are you defending?

Can we stop normalizing the misuse of this word? If we take their words seriously, the eco-extremist killing of this woman was not done *because* she was a woman, but because she was, in their eyes, just another worthless human.

On that note, can we please stop using "alt-right" as a slur against anything anti-left, anti-IP, or anti-PC? The alt-right have a clear, self-conscious political position (white nationalist, national socialist, etc.), and it is imbecilic, inaccurate, and/or disingenuous to smear a whole variety of non-normative anarchist positions - regardless of whatever flaws they may have - as "alt-right".

Femicide is the appropriate word. ITS claimed her femicide, they did not commit it. It seems as though her boyfriend beat and strangled her to death and the state was complicit in labeling it a suicide. This is very much part of the pattern if femicides in Mexico. Please read, like one, source before spouting bullshit. This is also why publishing ITS related drivel makes @ news misogynistic.

publishing ITS related drivel makes @ news misogynistic.

Have woke leftists really come to this?

Clearly your post contributes to the available information regarding ITS and femicide. This addition to the ITS drivel made available to literate people is therefore misogynistic. You should stop posting all together. It's the only way to be sure your words aren't awakening murderers.

a critical critique and analyze is different than just publishing their shitty communiques with no context which is what this site has ben doing for months. you are capable of nuance- you just don't want to see it because calling me a leftist makes you feel smug and superior.

providing a space for ITS did give it legitimacy within a sick juvenile following in anarchist world. Aragorn and krew can pretend all they want that they didn't seek to whole heartedly support ITS but they provided bandwidth with no contextual critique. so call anyone you want a leftist. providing a space to celebrate a group that claimed this woman's death is misogynistic. Note most of the clarifying accurate information comes in the comment section because @news krew understands fuck all about the political reality in Mexico right now. Tell me they give a shit about any of the people murdered in the drug war or anarchist and movement resistance to it... oh wait- they just publish ITS communiques and intellectually masturbate.

The context is the anarchist part of "anarchist news". This is further contextualized through the participants via the comments.

Presenting information in its untouched form to be discussed (presumably by anarchists) is not the equivalent of platforming—no matter how badly the woke left wishes it to be.

Have you ever read a primary text or do you only read secondary texts? Must all your information come second hand with an opinion attached before you're able to form your own? As an anarchist do you need a master to explain to you what you do or do not agree with?

As to your infantile "Tell me they give a shit about any of the people murdered" statement: Yes. Some of them do probably give a shit. You could always ask them—in good faith.

You're flailing.

ITS isn't anarchist. Do we have to go through this again? They are NOT anarchist. They condemn, threaten and revile anarchists in the US and the States. Anarchist news makes no attempt to post information about resistance to the drug war in Mexico on tis site when other anarchist information websites do.

You have a huge reading comprehension problem, 11:31. Nowhere do I say ITS is anarchist. How embarrassing.

You haven't made a compelling argument about why anarchist news should be posting ITS communiques. Its obvious to you that anarchist new is just providing information but not supporting them because anarchist is in the title of this website but that is not actually a reason--- so why--- why post them? what is the collective trying to accomplish if not elevating their weird sociopathic message, then?

I reject your "should." You might want to as well.

As to why the collective chooses to publish what they choose to publish? Ask them. They'll tell you again. You're still free to disagree. And of course you will—no matter the answer.

More specifically- in Mexico and the States- that was meant to say. Saying you can post anything without issue if its a primary document is not an argument. Why not communiques from ISIS/Daesh then? Why not reposting from white supremacists? Those are primary sources too- and have more in common with ITS tactically than anything anarchists are doing.

They probably don't publish [every single thing you could list that they don't publish] before [those things] didn't (at one time long, long ago) call themselves anarchists and didn't gain the attention of anarchists and are therefore probably not of interest to discuss by anarchists on an anarchist news site. They can't publish everything.

Nice try.

Right so ITS not being anarchists and threatening anarchists with death and @news not providing a platform for that IS FUCKING RELEVANT.

A group (that one time called themselves anarchist) threatening anarchists with death is VERY fucking relevant to anarchists.

Presenting what this group says is not platforming them. Talking about this group or what they say is not supporting them.

It's not hard to understand.

@news needs to take some fucking accountability. @news posting their communiques with no critique created a need for critique created a cycle that lead to death threats. Without @news ITS is internet obscurity. Most @ mexican sites aren't posting them which you would know if you understood the trajectory of this.

Pretending that murders don't exist will definitely make murder go away!

Not talking about bad things will definitely make bad things stop happening!

Anything else is complicity!

Yay!

talking about bad things as if they're kind of hip, relevant, and cool does stoke the flames. you can't rewrite history.

Nobody is "talking about bad things as if they're kind of hip, relevant, and cool" except sad people like you who are trying to "stoke the flames" against anarchists talking about things you don't want them talking about. You'd make a great cop.

Then the New York Times was platforming Ted Kaczynski. C'mon silly leftist quit being stupid.

I say this as one of many who doesn't like them.

you would also know that if you could read, anews never posted those communiques.

so, perhaps you should take some accountability instead.

see how blanket statements work? what communiques are you talking about? yes, anews published its communiques, so did a handful of other anarchist websites. do you specifically mean the most controversial ones (hiker murder, mexico city murder?) because anews never published those. maybe, if you pay attn you would also realize anews has been subject to its critique along with other anarchists ("death threats"). but, it looks like you've got it all covered and are surely well informed about your opinions.

"@news needs to take some fucking accountability."

lol you sound like a cop

because ITS CAME from the anarchist Space.and they have been in DIALOGUE with anarchists ever since they fucking started up. ISIS didn't come from the anarchist space and don't really have a dialogue with anarchists. I know that people have really short memory these days, but the vast majority of ITS's communiques were anarchistic (also they did not partake in the indiscriminate attacks that they claim they do now) and it wasn't until recently that they left that behind completely and on the way out they articulated their problems with anarchism and why they left it. It can be very useful to look at why people leave the anarchist space and their critiques of it while they leave it.

Also the way they bring up the hypocrisy of the modern position of anarchists in regards to violence is also very important to consider, not in the sense that we should take the position that they take, but in the sense that we can use them and what they are saying to honestly look at and consider our position on violence. I mean if people really think that revolutionary violence is that crazy different from what ITS is for, then maybe they should think about what will happen to those people that anarchists will deem reactionary in a revolutionary situation. There tends to this romantic view of revolution that believes that all of the oppressed will unite and be violent to just to the oppressors. but in reality a lot of people will side with those that dominate them or if they don't they will have ways of life that will be abhorrent to us and those people will receive much of the violence. finally lets not pretend that anarchists didn't play a part in ITS becoming what they have become by self righteously condemning them and declaring them enemies for years and years. So are we all that surprised that ITS have now taken that declaration seriously? It baffles me that people don't understand these things.

And continuing to post the communiques when mexican anarchists have left the convo? and posting death threats with pictures of rainbows and cartoon Hitler? go ahead and pretend its been about critical exchange not cynical controversy. Its Aragorn. I don't believe you.

is anyone else interested in how people who reject a train of thought will find a person to be the face of that thought, and then everyone who they say agrees that that thought, just becomes the lackeys of the person they have made the face? it's basically the same as saying that a! is a cult leader, and anyone who agrees with him (or more to the point *doesnt* agree with his opponents) are braindead zombies with no will or agency or decision-making capacity of their own.
i'm sure there is a term for that from rhetoric.

The whole "LBC is 'platforming' ITS" argument by the newly-woke left, likely Initiated to Gain Dollars, is just absurd and really embarrassing. It's the stuff of authoritarian wet dreams.

well its great that you decided to not respond to any of my points on how it can be useful in engaging with ITS and instead decided to make it all about the supposed evilness of Aragorn and the collective. Look, ITS is still in dialogue with the anarchist milieu regardless of whether or not anarchists are still participating in it, though i would say that anarchist haven't actually left the discourse as there continues to be write ups responding to ITS. I think the worth is to encourage people to critique them better as most of the critiques were massively inadequate and basically just said that "ITS = bad, and therefore we cant talk about them". To be quite honest Aragorn and Bellamy's criticism of ITS is basically the best ones ive heard and most of the people who have been ranting and raving on how all the projects that are engaging with ITS' ideas are unquestionably supporting ITS completely ignores the fact that in those very projects criticisms of ITS have been put forward. In The Brilliant podcast and Black Seed have both published critical pieces on ITS, not to mention that @ news has published most if not all of the critical pieces that have come out lately. You can continue to ignore that if you want, but it just makes you look like a complete fool. Also stop obsessing over Aragorn, as he is not the only person involved with those projects.

@news and LBC only care about stuff from mexico that appeals to their honkey ex-suburban sensibilities.

you know @ news doesn't add disclaimers or critique to ANY article, right?

i'm bringing popcorn to the bay area anarchist book fair next week

Hard-cover books at 20 paces,,,,,,,,

lol person starts shit and ends up getting a beating then cries about being beat down lol. I need to start going to these book/drama fairs

I pose this to myself as well: why create a space to rebel if your just going to be pissed off about it afterwards?

I mean, how does someone do something completely stupid and confront themselves in the morning?

Essentially all ist/isms culminate in denunciation and the older an ideology is the more the denunciation outstrips the creative ideational activity of the given ist/ism.

Another question to ask is do any of these people actually like anarchy as I do. There's a reason I am proposing new language in regards to anarch/anarchy(Neo-Anarchy) without the ist/ism. The actualized activity of anarchy calls for this at this point in time.

I've been into the whole egoism thing for a while now, not just stirner's, but i remember when I got drunk the first time I saw the flaws in all my catholic/liberal upbringings

now, i say i enjoy your comments, then i also enjoy seeing people rip the joke ideology of "egoism" to shreds, atleast wolfi seems to think it's a joke...

come on people! the day just began! i know you goddamn latte drinkin californicators are still sleeping! wake up and call me a fascist!

LBC is ITS. They both attack anarchists.

General Franco was ITS before his time, he attacked anarchists. Also makes him a Catholic prophet.

Lets not make this about the decision to publish Atassa. LBC/blackseed have put forth the strongest critiques about ITS, but of course the loudest voices in the @news comment section and the milleu itself didn't bother to read them.

This is about one person being a dick and tearing up someone's book without even getting why they have the book. Its also about one(2?) people from LBC crew overreacting and being aggro as fuck.

Many anarchists who pull these disruptive stunts have no experience of physical consequences to these kinds of acts. It takes time in a day to plan for something like a bookfair. Someone acting the fool like that should be worldstarred as a result. He's lucky it was just a choke out.

there were two on each side. 1. the anti atassa aggressor, 2 the person reading their book behind the table, 1a the friend of the anti atassa person, 2a the friend of the book reader.

order of events:
ripped book,
physical confinement of book ripper
punch by anti-atassa friend
more effective punch by friend of book reader.
while effective violence, is, you know, effective, it's unclear to me what better thing could've happened to end the conflict, in the moment. yes, violence escalates, but surely it is not up to the people being attacked to turn the other cheek?

"order of events:
ripped book,
physical confinement of book ripper
punch by anti-atassa friend
more effective punch by friend of book reader."

This is a decent summary of events, but you left off the actual beginning. Prior to the ripped book, according to the OP, "several anarchists confronted Little Black Cart about their decision to publish and distribute Atassa: Readings in Eco-Extremism," which was "met with smug indifference." It was then that "one comrade ripped Atassa in half."

Apparently in the world of attention-seeking social justice moral superiority, "smug indifference" is an escalation that justifies moving from the incitement of words (there's no report on what "several anarchists" actually said to voice their disapproval, but from what followed, it's safe to say that it wasn't based on reasoned dialog or debate) to interpersonal violence -- and yes, I'm calling the destruction of a book violent. Any self-produced item is the physical repository of effort and time, not a mere empty representation of it. Its personal value to the person(s) who created it is much higher than a price tag; even a dipshit like Proudhon understood that much. The content is irrelevant.

"smug indifference" is circumstantial assumption. It could very well have been deafness, or weariness at having to continuously state that one was only doing ones job, and was neutral regarding the contents of the book, that content was irrelevant, one did not believe in censorship, since one represented an anarchist bookstore etc etc,,,

Who else does physical confinement tactics when attacking? Cops. That's what they're trained for, not punching/kicking.

Are you trying to be funny? Cops will punch, kick, choke, gas, taze, shoot and run you down with a car, just for starters!

The orders wrong, its shoot, taze, gas, choke, run over with car, kick and then punch :)

You're a fucking idiot. Grapplers exist. We're able to more "humanely" end fights without bashing someone's face in. And anyway, most cops don't last in grappling training because their egos can't take it.

This is the most ridiculous shit I've read in a while. What did these dorks think was going to happen when they walked up to the LBC table (being obnoxious by the sound of it) and started ripping up their literature? I'm not a fan of physical confrontations and wouldn't have reacted the same way as the LBC tabler did, but it sounds like these nerds got what they deserved. By the account given in the op, it was the anti-atassa folk who started the confrontation, escalated it by throwing the first punch, and are now whining cause they got beat up.

And just to be clear: I'm not a fan of eco-extremism by any means. But for christ sake it's just a fucking book. Either read it, or don't, and move on. The amount of nonsense this journal has stirred up is absurd.

Yep, and if the ITS tools would have had their asses kicked by the anarcho "attackers", then you'd be cry-babying about anarchists being fascists or Christians or whatever.

But..

"it was the anti-atassa folk who started the confrontation, escalated it by throwing the first punch, and are now whining cause they got beat up."

It is really what happened, or is your immoralist dogma making you disregard any interest in the authenticity of claims?

I wasn't there. So I don't really know what happened. I'm simply relying on the information provided in the op which seems to be written from the perspective of someone sympathetic to the individual ripping up the journal. Based off what they've wrote (you can go back and read it again if you don't believe me), it would appear that "the anti-atassa folk started the confrontation, escalated it by throwing the first punch, and are now whining cause they got beat up."

I'm not sure where you get the notion (from one post) that I have an "immoralist dogma" and "disregard any interest in the authenticity of claims" but that's a bit of a stretch, mate.

And no, if the two people who started this had kicked the ass of the LBC tabler, I wouldn't be crying about anything. I certainly wouldn't be calling anyone a "fascist," since it's a pet peeve of mine (so common among certain anarchists) to use ridiculous, exaggerated rhetoric. I have no vested interest in the conflict and don't really care about it. I don't know anyone involved. Hell, I don't even live in the same country as anyone involved. It's just a ridiculous situation and the people frothing at the mouth over LBC's decision to publish atassa really need to give it a rest already.

You disagree with the journal? Then don't fucking read it. It's that simple. I find eco-extremism fucking boring and have no interest in it. So what do I do? I don't buy the journal or read ITS communiques. What I don't do is go out of my way to cause shit by ripping up the journal at an anarchist book fair while being an obnoxious unnecessarily confrontational dunce.

What if it'd be a Mein Kampf re-edit by anarcho-fascists? We should just have to not reading/buying it at the anarchist book fair, so that it'd be respectful for free speech, right?

Atassa is nearly as much objectionable than the Mein Kampf and is quite a good comparison for being a defense of murderous, authoritarian violence, on the basis of some deluded, dogmatic and incoherent ideology...

It equally doesn't have its place in an Anarchist Book Fair. And -the question you'll be dodging for sure- what are they doing there?

Why are these idiots for doing their Eco-extremist Book Fair and stop being fuckign provocateurs in an ABF, especially after they openly trashed anarchists in-texto?

Oh wait, I get it... too scared of getting caught by the FBI, so they'll use the safer cover and protection of already-established anarchist institutions.

There's a word to describe such life forms in other species. It's called "parasites".

Nothing wrong with trying to kick them off the boat.

Lol,

"...a defense of murderous, authoritarian violence, on the basis of some deluded, dogmatic and incoherent ideology"

Sounds a lot like political anarchism to me...

Tell me, "comrade". Given that you seem to take civilization and mass society for granted and see anarchy as some kind of "here-to-there" historical project to be advanced (i.e: imposed on millions and millions of people, rather then as a personal individuated project of liberation) I wonder what's going to happen to all the ordinary everyday people your assembly deems as "reactionary" in a revolutionary situation?

"Revolutionary" Prison? Gulags? Re-education camps? Or maybe just good old fashion mass-execution style?

What the fuck are you gonna do about the vast majority of people who want nothing to do with your bullshit when the moment comes, the chips are down and it's time to get real?

Here's a fact: political anarchism either fails miserably... or it gets big enough and basically mutates into leninism.

All "political" anarchists want to do is to create a new state. They won't call it that, of course. But a cat, painted black... is still a goddamn fucking cat.

Massive speculative leap based on nothing but bad faith.

Also!

The funniest part about all of this is that LBC has put out, by way of TheBrilliant podcast (episode 50) and Black Seed, BY FAR, the BEST critiques of EE to date.

But you goddamn moral crusading leftists are just too fucking thick-headed to hear anything besides what you're ideologically pre-disposed to hear.

So fuck you, you whiny little self-righteous piece of shit. Go to fucking hell.

"The funniest part about all of this is that LBC has put out, by way of TheBrilliant podcast (episode 50) and Black Seed, BY FAR, the BEST critiques of EE to date."

This is actually a very good point. The best, deepest, and most nuanced critiques of the eco-extremist tendency have come from the brilliant. I've not managed to get my hands on black seed as of yet, but have been meaning to for a while.

But it doesn't matter. Pride and human stupidity, once in motion, are basically fucking unstoppable forces. I'd like to think that everyone can just sit down and have a fucking conversation, but we all know that that's not going to happen. The little boys who started this conflict, who're in fact starting to anonymously threaten LBC are, at this point, clearly in way too deep, way too sure of themselves and they're probably unlikely to just fuck off any time soon.

All I can say is: LBC, take heart. It makes me sad you have to deal with this. I've long enjoyed your project. Don't take shit from anyone. Do what you gotta do to protect yourselves.

Why did I think you were referring to Abe and his lil gay buddies from that potentially fake group ITS and their apostles?

Ok so now I got that clear... It's them anarchist boys who got some issues with LBC publishing that Atassa piece of drivel. Reminds me of those binary moralists who've been oppressing the Emile troll for years, here. We gotta get rid of that anarchist menace, right ooon! Atassa now our new heroes, just because their LBC acolytes have shown us the far superior Rulenof the Strong!

Sieg heil, btw. Almost forgot that one!

Rest assured that it'a not the only.Atassa copy to get torn apart. If encouter it in any anarchist space of event, it will be destroyed and flushed where it belongs... down the Royal Throne.

the butt patrol is gonna make me choke hard

Coming from a blowhard that conflates "authoritarian violence" with "political anarchism" (whatever that means), I'm not sure you're even using your reason to grasp any critique whatsoever.

Classic leftists: Just saying over and over that something is "ridiculous" and "laughable" without ever directly refuting any of the points.

I believe I made myself clear: ANARCHY as a personal anti-political project of self-actualization, is very different from ANARCHISM which is a here-to-there political project seeking to simply reinvent society (an inherently authoritarian construct) and IMPOSE new values on the masses.

Further, when anarchists (or anyone else) exercise violence against their enemies (whoever they decide that is in the moment), they are imposing their authority over them through the use of force (or some other means). Even a simple dialectical debate between two opposing positions basically consists of trying to dominate the other side and impose your way of seeing things.

Can murder be "anti-authoritarian"? How? You are making a decision, a most ULTIMATE decision, to end the existence of a life. Do you even have an inkling of what life is about? It's the tiny sliver of a crack between two fucking eternities. Who the fuck are you to make a decision like that for any living creature and call yourself "anti-authoritarian"?

Same goes if one were to go hunting, fishing or whatever. I go fishing/trapping. Yes, I kill these creatures in order to eat them. I am most certainly impressing my authority upon them, just as the owl impresses it's authority on the field mouse or the crab-spider on the bumblebee, and so on. I am okay with that. I've made my peace with it. But I do have to laugh at all the anarchists and "anti-authoritarians" who constantly engage in exercises of power and domination (against the earth, the animals and, above all, each other) and yet continue to live in this purely fantastical anarchy wonderland where the only people who're deemed authoritarian are they people they don't like!

Even in history, in the few cases where anarchism was imposed (and I say imposed with purpose, because it was never consented to without the use of force) within that political program or government there were authorities, bosses, leaders (Mahkno, Durruti, etc.) people whose voice was heard over others and whose opinion was worth more than others, a few who made all the critical decisions and the many who followed and obeyed, and so in these moments we that there were institutions responsible for "maintaining order" etc etc. Authority, whether it emanates from a "revolutionary" committee, a workers council, or one or other "horizontal" structure, which does not make it that qualitatively different from a government organ or from the barrel of a gun.

What's up with Rojava? That "anarchistic revolutionary society" you've all been jerking it to for the last, what, 5+ years now? They have police! They have prisons! They have borders! I'll see you in 5 more years from now when they go the route of the soviets and grow into a straight up dictatorship, that is, if their political project doesn't collapse altogether by then.

Your politics are worthless, because you are completely blinded by your faith in Humanity. You've drank too much from the kool-aid punchbowl of your own naive idealism and have a romanticized and unrealistic view of the world, "revolution", and the nature of people. But go on and just keep thinking that, especially in the hyper-alienated techno mass industrial society we live in, that "the People" will have some kind of hivemind "epiphany" and "learn" to live in anarchy, even if those in charge of bringing it about in the future are authoritarian "anarcho"-politician scum like that pathetic loser Scotty, who /STILL/ doesn't know what a tiny dick-chicken he's being.

This conflict you fools are having with LBC, for example, is authoritarian through and through as it is defined mainly by your trying to subdue and dominate them for not being like you.

Ah! But of course! Your violence isn't "authoritarian", because it's only directed at the "bad guys", right? LOL! How convenient! To frame your violence as such, especially in a revolutionary situation, you will have no choice but to invoke an extremely rigid moral dualism where the moment someone opposes your "liberatory" violence in some way and seems to be "reactionary" they are then deemed as GUILTY! and may have savage levels of violence inflicted upon them (i.e: prison, gulag, re-education, death, etc.) without any scruples or hesitation.

Can you respond to any of this with an actual argument? Probably not. So why don't you just fuck off back to your moms basement in the gated community where you come from, bitch. I'm tired...

Comment of the week because it explains in plain language the fundamental infallable and irrefutable qualities of what anarchy stands up for

Comment 21:45, of the week, incase someone somehow gets their moronic comment above this, the way things go on this site with comment sequencing.

Anarchism is the inherently flawed marriage of anarchy and politics. The 3rd millennia needs better agents of anarchy, specifically post/apolitical.

Yeah, one good thing to emerge out of this whole drama is the translatable and definable line which separates the political from the anarchic realm of existence on the personal level.

This is what happens when liberals jump on the antifa bandwagon with zero anarchist analysis. Look, you impotent, little, dick chicken, crybaby, leftist, it's clear you haven't read Atassa and that your moralist whining is just coming from an authoritarian place of ignorance. How embarrassing.

one cheap talk bullying comment removed, citing philly as ice-cold, and on the side of the book-ripper.

For those who don't know...

The person who choked this idiot wasn't "tabling". He was behind the table, yes, but off in his corner, away from the table, minding his own business, reading a fucking book.

The person who actually /was/ tabling was a woman.

So this fool, this total fucking dick-chicken, deliberately avoids the ACTUAL tabler, because...

A) He didn't think she could "handle" herself in the face of his self-righteous bluster
B) Didn't want to project the "wrong" image by instigating an altercation with a woman over this since, supposedly, this is about being in "solidarity" with Lesvy and women in the abstract.

In either case, this instigator is a total fucking sexist piece of shit.

To the person who started all this: you're a coward, a hypocrite, an opportunist and I hope you contract an inoperable malignant tumor you vile sexist garbage bag.

I have had an interest in LBC for a while, and they seem to be interested in the expression of sober, cold truths. Are they ITS? No. I never read the book, only read about an egoist in "the sovereign self", supporting the books. ITS was out of print every other time i went to order it (because anarchists love this inflammatory shit). From what I remember, ITS says "yes, there are some clear enemies", most notably nanotechnology developers and green peace. While tech industry is clearly making slavery more efficient and omnipresent, it would seem that green peace is kind of like a feel good college organization. I experienced Sierra Club in high school, and made me realize how my self-rightous militant rhetoric was making everyone feel guilty and depressed. Even though i didn't like democratic feel-good summer camps, the liberals helped me understand "activist burnout" first and formost. So no, sending them bomb packages is absurd. Eco-extremist essays are where my sympathy for their cause ends, im divided on whether Ted Kaczinsky was an asshole, but he certainly thinks that I am!

I have the intuition that dot would in no way align herself with eco-extremist groups, and Aragorn! seems mostly to be interested in anti-civ, green anarchism, and pro/anti left-anarchist hostility. The one time i met him i thought he was okay, but he probably was plotting my assassination in his sleep.

and back to square one: the joke of smoke and mirror politics (i think i borrowed this phrase from Barack Obama, stfu libtard)

And as a sidenote, here is a great article in the atlantic on the role of Trump in white supremicist article and the perpetuation of reneck class-hatred promoted by...you guessed it! LIBTARDS

Let it be known that none of these macho-moral antifa "warrior" dude-bro dick-for-brains have addressed, let alone refuted, any of the goddamn fucking points raised by any of LBC's allies and associates.

I'll repost some of these points, as posted by "ITSrainingcats":

"...because ITS CAME from the anarchist Space.and they have been in DIALOGUE with anarchists ever since they fucking started up. ISIS didn't come from the anarchist space and don't really have a dialogue with anarchists. I know that people have really short memory these days, but the vast majority of ITS's communiques were anarchistic (also they did not partake in the indiscriminate attacks that they claim they do now) and it wasn't until recently that they left that behind completely and on the way out they articulated their problems with anarchism and why they left it. It can be very useful to look at why people leave the anarchist space and their critiques of it while they leave it.

Also the way they bring up the hypocrisy of the modern position of anarchists in regards to violence is also very important to consider, not in the sense that we should take the position that they take, but in the sense that we can use them and what they are saying to honestly look at and consider our position on violence. I mean if people really think that revolutionary violence is that crazy different from what ITS is for, then maybe they should think about what will happen to those people that anarchists will deem reactionary in a revolutionary situation. There tends to this romantic view of revolution that believes that all of the oppressed will unite and be violent to just to the oppressors. but in reality a lot of people will side with those that dominate them or if they don't they will have ways of life that will be abhorrent to us and those people will receive much of the violence. finally lets not pretend that anarchists didn't play a part in ITS becoming what they have become by self righteously condemning them and declaring them enemies for years and years. So are we all that surprised that ITS have now taken that declaration seriously? It baffles me that people don't understand these things."

Have they addressed any of this? NO! Their antics, in fact, have nothing to do with rational argument nor does it have anything to do with ethics, but rather: it has EVERYTHING to do, in fact, with satisfying their twisted little psychological needs (drive for power); deflecting anti-oppressive critique (i.e: Huh? I'm not sexist! I'm a good guy! I oppose ITS! LOOK AT ME!!!); as well as covering up for their profound impotence (i.e: they can't win fights with the REAL powers, like state/capital/whitesupremacy, etc., so they pick fights instead with a tiny publisher).

Address these points, Can'tifa. OH WAIT! EVERYONE KNOWS YOU WON'T! BECAUSE YOU'RE NOTHING BUT AN ANGSTY LITTLE MOB OF LOSERS AND LITTLE BOYS TRYING SO DESPERATELY TO PLAY "HARD" AND "RIGHTEOUS" BUT THE TRUTH IS YOU FAIL AND IT ONLY MAKES ME LMAO AT YOUR BOORISH MIDDLE CLASS BUFFOONERY!

To quote Novatore:

"O Apostolic apes of humanity and social progress... Do you not hear that which thunders high above the din of all your spooks? Listen! O listen! It is my laughter! Echoing furiously in the lofty heights!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

My name is 'Itsrainingcats' not 'ITSrainingcats'. I'm not a defender of ITS, but a defender taking part in a discourse concerning them, as its always useful to engage with disagreeable ideas in general, but especially from people who once were anarchists and then left anarchism.

I thought the name was simply some sort of ironic joke.

Atassa zealots here should rather be calling themselves ITSrainingstrawmen.

Do you realize that you're using a Gish Gallop here or do you just never stfu in general?

Whoever wrote this sounds like a pious pissant who attempted the kind of virtue signalling stunts that seem to happen a few times a year at anarchist gatherings, and for maybe the first time encountered people who'd actually fight back. I like many found this article amusing.
That said, I'm profoundly irritated by the fact that the school of anarchists who typically are the ones most likely to be putting out interesting and refreshing unorthodox @ material have put so much effort and weight behind an edgy exploration of zealots who are attacking people who believe in what I do and maybe also just killing people for the hell of it. I'm not even saying publishing Atassa or ITS or whatever is even something that shouldn't be done but holy hell, if there ever was a time for the "bad anarchists" to be a visible force next to this goddawful boring and strident new anarcho liberalism, it'd be now, and it really pisses me off that all that energy is being spent arguing about these fucks. I think the renegade anarchies are uniquely well suited to these times and it pisses me off to see smart people squandering that shit by mostly just sitting out all the tumult, occassionally joining in to be like "well maybe these serial killers that tried to blow up anarchist squats aren't that bad," then back to the sidelines. It's disappointing.

I want to say lol but also not

1. Nerds on "many sides".

2. Permutation of water on your bookfair books is a familiar trope.

3. Aggro nerd puts ripper in a chokehold instead of laughing and thus shaming pointless, morally outraged, $7 book ripping.

4. Anews commenters get hung up on if a book is worth a neck for like 50 comments.

5. Anarchists have always had contentious feuds that spilled into physical outbursts. Read the Bonnot Gang.

The conflict between Paraf-Javal’s group of ‘scientists’ and the
Causeries Populaires comrades now came to a head. Paraf-Javal was
already angry that his pamphlets were being sold at causeries and were
not being paid for, when one of Libertad’s group, Henri Martin (alias
‘Japonet’), Amandine Mahe’s new lover, stole some money from the
bookstall at a meeting of the ‘Scientific Studies Group’. At a subsequent
meeting a brawl ensued between partisans of the two groups in which
knives, knuckledusters and spiked wristbands were used. After this
incident Paraf-Javal would only go out armed with a revolver and a
dagger, but he preferred to stay at home writing a diatribe against
Libertad’s group.

Explain how this is a bad thing. We DON'T have to all get along. Infighting is not killing the revolution any more than anything else, including lots of would be revolutionaries.

6. Waiting for ITS communique threatening lbc and atassa

7. Next time at least flip the table over if you are really that mad about a book like 10 weirdos in the world care about. NO PLATFORM!!!! LITERALLY!!!

8. As much as I do not know any @'s in Mexico at that squat, I still think it is upsetting to hear about threats against them. Maybe they suck, I don't know either way. But something in my heart tells me they are on my team, so fuck that. As if my feelings one way or another about it will have any effect on murderers in another country..or next level trolls of the anarchist scene.

What does bookfair drama do? If you rip a book in front of someone's face, not as a joke, what do you hope to provoke? Do you as the instigator of public dramas think anyone will give a shit? You know you aren't going to change lbc peoples' minds about something, you aren't going to make them stop. Is it just a way to be like, check me out team, I will show my loyalty by giving the lbc table whats for. I don't know, I get being really upset by something, emotion is real. If ITS danger was hitting close to home for me or my friends, I probably wouldn't shit out some hand wringing denunciation on the 'net. And I probably wouldn't rip up one lone book on a table at a bookfair.

It's pretty much expected and old hat.
* bad faith dialogue on the internet or simply two sides talking past each other
* weeks pass
* public event (bookfair, speaking tour, etc.) with one side attempting to cast shame on or denounce another
* internet shitstorm
* repeat next year
* instigator of previous years drama has moved onto being a nihilist, indifferent to such shit. Or further entrenched their justice serving, activist career. They don't bother anyone too much any more.

10. Don't make fun of my number lists.

9.

10. Don't tear up moms recipe book or I'll put a cap in your ass. ;)

Get on that camera peeps.

So a few punches (or chokeholds) get thrown around at a book fair-- and everybody loses their mind. For me its a definite sign that the NA @ milieux are finally growing up. I can't tell you how many altercations, violent or not I've seen in Athens, Paris, Santiago...Anarchists believe strongly in their ideas, its what makes 'em anarchists. This spate to shows just how far the community has come in the space of say, 17 years. Congrats NA Anarchy...you're finally growing hair in your pits and on your genitals.

Oh and a tip of the hat to the LBC street brawling team. Go Big Black! Beat State!

Ha! Have to agree. The anarchist milieu is less pathetic, the more it occasionally resembles a bar-fight in a western movie, instead of a whiny therapy session.

Some of these jokers here ... Trying to argue a choke is a "cop move". EVERYBODY should know a few choke holds! Grow up kids.

dam! i really wanna read this sh*t now!

"a member of says...

is anyone else interested in how people who reject a train of thought will find a person to be the face of that thought, and then everyone who they say agrees that that thought, just becomes the lackeys of the person they have made the face? it's basically the same as saying that a! is a cult leader, and anyone who agrees with him (or more to the point *doesnt* agree with his opponents) are braindead zombies with no will or agency or decision-making capacity of their own.
i'm sure there is a term for that from rhetoric."

It totally is and leftists totally do that. But why can't y'all get past that to see how you are doing that too? How nihilists and those who aren't on the left are doing it to? Everyone is fucking doing it and everyone is putting themselves on the moral fucking high horse pretending that their not. From the garbage that the left spews to condemn everything that has to do with nihilism to the crap that nihilists are spewing that the left could be associated with as something to be condemned and thrown out, everyone wants to throw the baby out with the bathwater. It's the same as how so many who aren't on the left want to hide from anything that identity politics has poisoned to almost treat racism, misogyny, transphobia, etc, as topics that are completely beyond examining. Leftism is garbage but y'all aren't doing things much differently except for wrapping it in a different packaging.

The difference between me and the leftoids is that I focus on corporeal body domination not constituted identity opression.

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