TOTW: Imagine abolition

evacuation of Orleans Parish Prison after hurricane Katrina

Imagine tomorrow all prisons decide to let everyone out, and after they're empty, they're imploded.

What would happen next?

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If this imagined tomorrow was just the same world as today except for some unknown reason they / the powers that be decided to abolish prisons, free every prisoner and then blow up the prisons then things would probably be pretty crazy and like every other major initiative managed by the state, like recent stuff such as withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, it would most likely be a chaotic, violent disaster.

so is prison abolition to be relegated to realm of asymptotic reform, infinitesimally eroding prison, policing and the whole prison industrial complex until the right institutions to substitute them and process these individuals in an optimal and orderly manner come about?

imagine this: every year, 2 prisoners are pardoned, and two found guilty are pardoned, and abolitionist NGOs have to take care of their "rehabilitation" (many abolitionists hold these pretenses) and reintegration into society and the community. after a few years of practice and learning and development and progress, then maybe the number can be increment to 2 more, making it 4 a year, and couple that with a reduction is the police's workforce by two as well, or 4.

is this prison abolition?

under the current non-abolitionist framework the government is under, some prisons have been demolished (just one example https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2021/apr/1/baltimore-demolishes-mar...)

and there have been more drastic reductions in the population than the one proposed in my imaginary scenario

https://goodfaithmedia.org/us-prison-jail-population-dropped-sharply-in-...

https://www.vera.org/publications/people-in-jail-and-prison-in-2020

it's almost as if being a prison abolitionist without being an anarchist doesn't make sense, right? can't just eliminate prisons and leave the state and society as is and expect anything different than disaster as usual

"The United States saw an unprecedented drop in total incarceration between 2019 and 2020. Triggered by the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic and pressure from advocates to reduce incarceration, local jails drove the initial decline, although prisons also made reductions. From summer to fall 2020, prison populations declined further, but jails began to refill, showing the fragility of decarceration. Jails in rural counties saw the biggest initial drops, but still incarcerate people at double the rate of urban and suburban areas. Despite the historic drop in the number of people incarcerated, the decrease was neither substantial nor sustained enough to be considered an adequate response to the COVID-19 pandemic, and incarceration in the United States remains a global aberration.

[...]

Generally, jails and prisons do not make race and gender data available. However, preliminary results from other studies suggest that race inequity in incarceration may be worsening during the pandemic.

The number of people incarcerated in state and federal prisons and local jails in the United States dropped from around 2.1 million in 2019 to 1.8 million by mid-2020—a 14 percent decrease. This decline held through the fall. This represents a 21 percent decline from a peak of 2.3 million people in prison and jail in 2008. State and federal prisons held an estimated 1,311,100 people at midyear 2020—down 124,400, or 9 percent, from 2019. Prisons declined by an additional 61,800 people in late 2020, bringing the total prison population to 1,249,300 people, a 13 percent decline from 2019 to late 2020..."

https://www.vera.org/downloads/publications/people-in-jail-and-prison-in...

yes, it would likely be a "humanitarian disaster", and the evacuation of prisons after Katrina shown in the picture are an example of that. https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/publications/aclu-abandoned-and-abu...

i think the state mostly manages the illusion of control. disasters unfold irrespective of their management. it's almost as if the choice is disaster with or without the state, anarchists of course would choose the latter in a heartbeat. or would they?

you mention the word chaos and that report has as one of its subheaders "The Descent into Chaos".
i think anarchists that are (understandably) afraid of the small fraction of chaos that is the unsettling of just one of the many institutions they would like to dismantle, are unprepared for the implications of a world without the state, without capitalism, without domination, without oppression, without entrenched social hierarchies, etc.

not that it's even on the cards to be able to ask 3 wishes to a genie, but would many anarchists really dare wish their supposed dreams come true? abolish prisons, the state, the army, capitalism. would they even dare to disappear just one? are they even meek reformists, or even conservatives?

Probably be right-wing militias waiting with guns to welcome back their freed comrades and kill all the other prisoners.

...as if right-wing militias are the only armed gangs supporting their people in prison? Not quite.

Best guess if ALL prisoners being released: cops will get more busy with the actually dangerous people and the lesser violent people like us will have it easier.

I do get tho, that prisons are amplifying the problem, i.e. making the incarcerated into being more dangerous/fucked up people than they used to be, so to release them all might just improve things a little.

Yeah but the armed right-wing militias are the only ones the cops wouldn't arrest on site and immediately remove from the vicinity.

Lock up your daughters and sons, even the wife (in their bedrooms, not in jails silly) and don't walk the streets at night, buy a gun, only go shopping in a group and never alone. Look over your shoulder all the time whilst walking the dog. Be extra vigilant and p9aranoid. Don't make eye c9ntact with people in the street they may be lunatics or schizo. Don't smile or be friendly to strangers in the street they will take advantage of you and kill you for your wallet.

Also learn martial arts and target practice. Form a home defence team with neighbours and patrol your neighborhood at night, stopping suspicious people and questioning them then sending them on their way. Install home security cameras around your fortress suburban abode. Buy pepper spray and taser device. Learn foul mouth swearing techniques.

start exercising, invest in crypto, develop a skincare routine. buy nicer clothing, wear deodorant, save some of my paycheck to pay down my debt. go back to school. find a therapist, stop trolling anews.

Also, learn pedo and rapist jargon like " young flesh" --"sexy violence" --"Imma gonna luv you whether you like it or not" -- " Hello little sweety, I'll take you to your mommy" and hang out in bars frequented by freed felons, and lure them outside into the alley with the promise of violent non-concensual sex, and then beat them up with a few of your non-woke anarchist buddies.

You forgot “license and registration please” and “where are you heading at this hour” and “we’ve been receiving some complaints and need to search the premises”

Shantytowns would form around the major cities, USA would resemble India or Brazil in this way a bit more. Murder by cop would increase by mere fact that more of the same demographics they usually target are out and about. Private security would have a boom, private enclaves, more walls, more securitisation, biometrics, private social credit scores. A new under-underclass, much like the old, a caste system. More street gang activity.

Not much would change except a lot of what was hidden activity will be carried out more visibly due to overcrowding and overexposure, no one is disappeared into prison for years, accounts are settled in the street, between many sides, many courts (civil or not, draconian or restorative), people taking it into their own hands.

Government will institute Ministry of Interior with a funding and resources resembling Army or National Guard, to quash revolts and uprisings. Free-for-all fight between black militias vs white militias vs government, lots of strange complicities, alliances, truces.

Most of the prison population will just want to chill, the shantytowns will be like any shantytown around the world. They will be linked in economy and social activity with the projects, there will be healing and reuniting but also lots of violent confrontation with people they thought they would never had to see again, or at least for a long while.

Anarchist prisoners will host podcasts, live chill lives, some will participate in direct action, grand schemes are unlikely to develop.

In the general not ex-con population there will different forms of resentment and irritation towards the ex-cons, from: they're taking our jobs, to crime wave alarmism, to hygienic panic of squalor slum conditions. Migration to other countries will result in people wanting to start over from scratch or people getting caught in other countries' prison systems.

Cheap manual labor, skilled and unskilled, might bring some forms of manufacturing back to USA. Minimum wage will not be observed or informed, neither will a lot of labor laws and earned privileges. You will have anti-ex con workers unions and ex-con workers unions.

There will be a baby boom, demographics will alter elections forever, there will be a rise in fascism without dissimulation. The 1st generation born of ex-con parents will be treated as pariah even if born with clean record. Like a lepers colony or a reservation. With each generation the stigma will lessen, segregation and de-segregation, civil rights movement all over again.

"Best" case scenario give that is USA minus prisons status quo preserved despite all. Many other scenarios of civil war, re-installment of prisons, concentration camps, schools and housing as prison, and anarchy as the crumbles of USA into many disparate conflicting polities. Balkanization as the world watches, USA will look like the map of Europe or South America, or much more fragmented. Areas previously uninhabited will be populated. Neo-Maroons, desert-dwellers, mountain people, cave-people. Ghost towns will spring back to life. New wild wild west. New pirate age. Mad Max. The Purge. Anarchy.

The US is essentially heading for a Brazilian 3rd worldian future. Hell it'll be interesting and potentially preferable if you take into account blood and shade regime dynamics(Foucault)

as it's going right now western anarchists would try and be the replacement police. even post-left or more individualist anarchists are becoming more and more policing, which is not a good sign for anarchy

How would CrimethInc. report on it?

I don’t know. I’m thinking this scenario assumes a hidden overnight decision by the government, catching the anarchists off guard. If, like most big world events, anarchist have mostly nothing to do with and just sit on the sidelines commenting, what would they have to say?

Anarchist could insist in calling the new population “the liberated” or the “newly liberated” to fight the stigma and negative connotation of “ex-con”. There could be poetry and songs about life really starting over in a new world for them. To try to paint over gritty scenario romanticized with the hope of what it could be, like in Rojava or with Zapatistas, with utopian thinking.

This will be mostly irrelevant to most other non-anarchist people, but if it catches on, it could be like the hippies with “peace and love”, peoplejoining the liberated in some kind of woodstock/burning man situation. There are no more jails, no one’s gonna bother with petty shit like rounding up people for smoking weed or doing psychedelics.

lol you assume anarchists had nothing to do with it. what would make government take such a drastic measure? i would suspect a conspiracy to break people out of prison. one that would actually cause them more pain to deal with than to preemptively let people out of jail. publicly confronting the conspiracy head on would give them too much credit. they’d rather take the credit and sweep them under the rug. better to cede concessions under your own terms that have them taken away from you. i think the government would more easily preserve the status quo in a controlled release, following evacuation plans, dropping ex-cons off in buses in the places where they would cause less disruption than if anarchists someone figured out a way to break out people out of jail. fantasy, of course. maybe they used a dragon or magic

That's what I meant, a subset of anarchists idealize these places despite their flaws, garnering support for them. I wonder if they might do that for the liberated in solidarity.

Of course, the major part of the prison system is not the buildings. As has been remarked on already, if nothing else changed in this world, just knocking down the buildings would not change much. Though it could be a start.
In the world as it is, though, all the formerly incarcerated and all the guards would have to find other work, other housing, at the least. So, if we are just imagining what would happen in this extant world, my guess is nothing and suffering might just increase.

But if, after the people were let go, and the buildings demolished, if then we were to work to dismantle the prison in our minds, to undo the legacy of all the isms, then maybe we could start in on rethinking how to be on this planet. Or at least we might build housing for all the people just let out.

i disdain any flinching in the face of this scenario, only welcoming it with open arms is acceptable for anyone who wants to call themselves anarchist. prisons are not keeping the inmates safe, not doing them any favor. they'd instantly have more freedom braving the elements and hustling in the streets than locked up. anarchists are for increasing freedom, not comfort, or logistics. they can suffer all they want in freedom, it's their enslavement and their suffering derived from the deprivations of freedoms that is unacceptable. you will never abolish suffering, abolishing prisons is far-fetched but one day they won't exist, it's nice to consider a scenario such as this, if you're an anarchist, that is. all liberals that call themselves abolitionists should stfu if they can't take the consequences then

Anarchists aren't for increasing freedom. Anarchists are for freedom. Most people are not anarchists. Most people want enough to eat, a warm place to sleep, and their team to win the championship, that is what they call freedom. Actual freedom makes them shit their pants.

There's no such thing as absolute freedom. We're always constrained by physical forces eenwhen we overcome some of the non-physical ones. So freedom can only be something you lean to, or not. Being in charge of myself, having a life of my own standing up for myself, this is what I call freedom... But even that can't be perfectly attainable; it's an ideal to pursue, and you can live it personally too, unlike these other grandiose , impersonal ideals.

Freedom is like pregnancy, you either are or are not. There is no ½ way.

But I do of couse mean free as a body. Yes, the physical world exists. I have arms and not wings, I cannot fly, but that does not mean my freedom is curtailed, it just means I have a particular body.
I also share the world with other bodies, other beings, other species — dancing at the borderlands is what it is all about.

no, no, no. terrible, terrible metaphors, and ooh, i really hate that woowoo you added at the end.

don't try to make this all abstract poetry, let me land you back again and ground you into this scenario: no more prisons

is it freedom? wtf is freedom? i'll let you philosophize or wax with your buddies. but we know what prisons are. the proposition is: no more prisons. can you deal with that? can you dig it?

can you have a particular body...but without prisons?

can you share bodies and do bestiality at the borderlands...but without prisons?

can you exfoliate your chakras and milk your rhizomatic midiclorians...but without prisons?

k, thnx

Point to where I've said anything but no more prisons. Of course no more prisons.

NO MORE PRISONS!

imagine you were chris hedges (another terrible metaphor), so you teach in prisons, a fact that you constantly flex on during interviews because you're a sniveling academic and a coward and this prison charity virtue signaling makes you seem cooler and more badass, like carbon offsets for your obvious and significant privilege. This is all just the standard liberal worldview with fancy shoes and a dirty fetish for thinking about how capitalism sucks but never anything beyond moral outrage about it.

so anyway, you're chris hedges and you teach in prisons. you're extremely aware of how these people in your class are always inches away from sneering at you because of your fancy-ass shoes and the stolen valor you wield as a "public intellectual" of the anti-capitalist flavour. do you say stuff to them like "but what IS freedom tho?!"

probably not.

“Freedom Is a Constant Struggle: Ferguson, Palestine, and the Foundations of a Movement” is the title of a book by Angela Y. Davis. I much prefer that to both of your analogies and she knows a thing or two about prison abolition.

I don't know why she, as it is so typical of Leftists, threw in Palestine as an example of struggle for freedom. Palestinian nationalism has got nothing to do with freedom. They're rather against what freedom means...

i'm just some troll and my shit was a joke about how i hate chris hedges? (?!?!)

No points to you 10:59 for reading comprehension.

Not that you or anyone gives a shit, I did not say some @s (or even some people) are more free than others. I said there is freedom or there isn't, there is no "more" or "less" freedom, there is just freedom.
I also said most people are not anarchists. Is this controversial?

Anyway, context matters. If one ignores context then all these conundrums & inconsistencies & contradictions disappear and the answers are clear. I don't think that clear world exists.

Of course 10:59 has been deleted, thanks

The green new deal would employ many of them and they would place solar panels where the prisons used to be.

They could grow food gardens for their communities where the prisons used to be.

Funds currently allocated to police departments could be reallocated to these projects.

Vote Angela Davis for President to make these dreams come true! She backed our current president Joe Biden and she can carry on what he started!

we are now at a point where we can work within institutions and pressure our representatives to achieve the reforms we need

Imagine tomorrow all prisons decide to let everyone out, and after they're empty, they're imploded.
What would happen next?

Lots and lots of low-level predation, high level predation, beatings, rapes and murders. Probably about 20 to 30% of everybody who is locked up is too damaged or predatory to let loose upon the rest of us -- and that includes in a post-capitalist society, which we are quite a ways away from right now!

To the person who posed this question: I'm telling your Mom that you are far too clueless and irresponsible to be lent the keys to the Volvo. Or the Audi, either.

"PIC abolitionists don’t demand police and prison abolition in spite of “the rapists.” We demand abolition because the current system produces and reinforces sexual violence while using survivors to justify its existence. Fear of "the rapists" is weaponized as a justification for maintaining and reinforcing a system that creates significant violence for many people while focusing very little time on addressing sexual violence for those who are harmed. When something can't be fixed, the question is what can we build instead?"

from https://www.eventbrite.com/e/what-about-the-rapists-an-abolitionist-faq-...

We are so luck that none of those "low-level predation, high level predation, beatings, rapes and murders" happen now. Thanks, Prisons!

Lick more boot, 19:11.

Obviously those things happen already, the point was that there would be tons more of it happening if you let everybody loose.

Pretty straightforward.

That FAQ quote by the abolitionists re: “the rapists” makes no sense. How does the current prison system “produce” sexual violence? Sexual violence has been around since the dawn of time. Capitalism and prisons have nothing to do with it.

maybe there would be tons less of it? if we're going to make shit up let's make up all the angles. or instead of parroting fear-based State narratives perhaps try to consider actually what is and not what you imagine things might be just because Power told you so as a way to justify the perpetuation of an authoritarian, carceral society.

but that would go against this alt-right troll's agenda which is to steer the conversation away from anarchism

i think that even in a pessimistic forecast, the amount of raping could remain the same, only no longer contained within jails. it's easier to escape and confront rapists when you're not confined along with them, and it's better to recover from rape outside of a prison with support of a community, not locked-in with your abusers.

alt-right don't care about victims, they get off on rape and love it as a pretext to legitimize their vigilante and sadistic torture fantasies. they like to use it to trigger a moral knee-jerk reaction from people and use it to further their racist agenda.

no.

Beginning in the 1970s, the United States began an experiment in mass imprisonment. Supporters argued that harsh punishments such as imprisonment reduce crime by deterring inmates from reoffending. Skeptics argued that imprisonment may have a criminogenic effect. The skeptics were right. Previous narrative reviews and meta-analyses concluded that the overall effect of imprisonment is null. Based on a much larger meta-analysis of 116 studies, the current analysis shows that custodial sanctions have no effect on reoffending or slightly increase it when compared with the effects of noncustodial sanctions such as probation. This finding is robust regardless of variations in methodological rigor, types of sanctions examined, and sociodemographic characteristics of samples. All sophisticated assessments of the research have independently reached the same conclusion. The null effect of custodial compared with noncustodial sanctions is considered a “criminological fact.” Incarceration cannot be justified on the grounds it affords public safety by decreasing recidivism. Prisons are unlikely to reduce reoffending unless they can be transformed into people-changing institutions on the basis of available evidence on what works organizationally to reform offenders.

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/715100

she knows a thing or two about prison abolition.

Angela Davis was a life-long high profile apologist for one of the biggest forced labor and mass incarceration phenomena in human history, the so-called Soviet Union and the regimes allied with it -- and now she's a prison abolition activist.

And as such an appropriate leader for the left in the U.S. In the words of Marx -- Groucho, this time -- "The entire left in the United States is the Garden of Eden of incompetence."

"biggest forced labor and mass incarceration phenomena in human history, the so-called Soviet Union and the regimes allied with it -"

Haha, you cap... The US still has got the biggest per capita prison population on the planet, and yes, it is several times biggest than Russia's or even China's.

That doesn't discount from Davis defending the USSR, just as that much less discounts you from overlooking the US as THE biggest prison state in history.

1. Moratorium: Stop building cages.

2. Decarceration: Finding ways to get people out of prison.

For example, creating review processes to reevaluate sentence terms, recognizing that many people are given long stints for petty crimes—especially under many states’ three-strikes rules.

3. Excarceration: Finding ways to divert people away from the prison-industrial complex in the first place.

According to abolitionists, many of the reasons people end up coming into contact with law enforcement can be solved through more humane means. Decriminalizing mental-health episodes, fighting homelessness, or decriminalizing drug use are three clear ways to keep people from getting pipelined towards prison.

Extracted & summarized from: https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/what-is-prison-abolition/

The implication is that abolitionists do not advocate for the scenario proposed by topic. Instead:

"[A]abolition is a political vision with a goal of eliminating imprisonment, policing, and surveillance and creating lasting alternatives to punishment and imprisonment. That it's not just about getting rid of building cages, it's about actually undoing the society that continues to feed on and maintain the oppression of masses of people through punishment, violence, and control. Because the prison-industrial complex isn't an isolated system, abolition is a broad strategy. And so we have to be building models today that develop and represent how we want to live in the future. It's both a practical organizing tool and a long-term goal."

from https://www.gq.com/story/what-is-prison-abolition

Yeah ok I can get on board with that. There’s lots of people inside over some petty bullshit But what’re you gonna do about the serious offenders? Even Rojava and Chiapas have jails.

Here I am reminded of the cliché — Kill ten people, you are a dangerous criminal & deserve prison. Kill 10,000 people you are lauded as a hero & elected president. 1 person dead is a tragedy, but 10,000 dead is just foreign policy.

Abolition, if it doesn't happen overnight, has to start with rethinking (unthinking?) prison as a solution to transgression.

of course you can get on board with that. everyone and their momma can get on board with that. abolitionists base their vision on the same palatable pretenses of rehabilitation that serves as the liberal pretext of the current justice and prison system.

abolition mainly seeks to envision new institutions that could replace the prison-industrial complex, and how to bring them about. only anarchists could fancy the immediate destruction of current institutions without the slightest innuendo of putting something in their place.

20:14:

You airbrushed "one of" out of the picture, Comrade Beria,

Who will imprison those who would imprison others? I must escape the prison of my ignorant mind!

once they’re liberated, Bezos and Musk will make lucrative offers for them to become space colonists, working in orbit, in mines on the moon and then on mars. then there will be space mutiny and space anarchy.

There would be a big party, Sean Swain and Eric King would be there! And without the threat of prison, anarchists will be less afraid to do many things!

Without the threat of prison, rapists and killers will be less afraid to do many things!

is the threat of somebody else's prison the only way you can hope to inspire fear in those who would do such things? how sad for you!
i always recommend everyone train with firearms or at least get some dangerous friends.

People out here just telling on themselves.

Why do you think only the threat of punishment is what gets people to act decently? Oh, I see. Because that's all that motivates you.

We like controversial non-anarchist comments on our anarchist website because excitement!

They have to win every time,get lucky every night. This is a formula for a short lifespan. Their victims may only have to fight a couple times a year, so their luck is much more likely to hold until rhey die from something else

the city would turn them into luxury condos but the first floor would have an rei, apple store, and pf changs.

maybe some of them would get turned into amazon hubs or tesla gigafactories, or maybe even landfills. think of all the jobs they'll create, maybe only a dozen, due to automation. maybe housing project would get gentrified to such a degree that its original residents would have to downgrade and move to the slums where the liberated would have settled into

I see you're exercising your cynicism, but you're letting your utopianism atrophy, comrade. We must imagine a better tomorrow. I can imagine fields of sunflowers where the prisons used to be.

My situation probably differs from yours, but I am.someone who simply cannot tolerate confinement and would accept certain death to escape it if necessary

OK, worst case crime scenario is the sum.of risk of being kidnapped (e.g by a bad date) plus risk of.being rendered quadraegic by a survivable assailt All other crimes against me are considered less damaging, murder included.

The combined risk of being imprisoned in a cage by a kidnapper or my own body by an assault partially severing my spine are probably far less in a no-prisons scenario than the risk of ending up in a prison in today's environmemt. That goes double if the far-right follows up abortion bans with enforcement of newly reactivated laws criminalizimg non-het sex.

Therefore, I get better odds with the prisons gone as it is probably that any crimes committrd against me will be lesser offenses than imprisomment itself. Also predatory criminals are far easier to defend against then police. Most back alley rapists and gaybashers have little or no ability to call for backup. They may have a gun, but so do you and odds are they don't want to go there. A street gang is a tougher opponent but usually smallwr than a police department, lacking extradition treaties with other gangs, and gangs other than governments control less than half of the arable land. Thus their ability to pursue fugitives is far less than that of police and prisons.

As for rhe total number of predators, they will be attritted by having to get lucky every time while their intended victims only have to get lucky once.

well, for one it'd be pretty brutal considering it's the middle of winter. but i wonder about the summer. would it be a "hot" summer? if hypothetically bringing down the prisons is all it takes to bring the whole order down, why not focus on that? the way i imagine it, most people support the status quo, and the current administration, considering that they set them free. many people who become anarchists inside prison do so around the issue of prison abolition. will anarchism still hold its appeal after they'd been granted the wish of abolition by liberal democracy (as imperfect as it may be, but still real and improvable)?

i also imagine the increase in demand for social workers and the role they might now play in this society. social workers and psycologists, and the role of cops and correctional officers and counselors all fused into one. no longer any cops, no longer ACAB, but ASWAB. anarchism will wane in popularity, seen as more unreasonable given the improvements.

i imagine there might be some form of re-education camps, like an optional, but de facto mandatory if you want to get employed as an ex-con, trade school. they will supply all the jobs that have unmet demand. the labor market will be managed by an a.i.

and finally, there's a terrible thing i imagine. prison has until now been a "hidden" form of slavery. the vulnerable population of ex-cons now turned homeless people, with no family contacts or anyone to count on, might be victim to human trafficking, which could increase dramatically as well as other more overt forms of slavery. in this scenario, the abolitionist mission is still intact and yet to be realized. as someone else commented, abolitionist don't envision the end of prisons in this way, but things rarely happen how we would like them to, specially when it comes to whatever the state decides to do.

i can imagine some neoliberal downsizing and privatizing leading to a similar scenario in the near future, although partial, limited to only a few prisons in each state. maybe triggered by another pandemic or natural disaster. will anarchists and abolitionists be ready to deal with that when it happens?

is essentially a cybernetic open air prison control society. There will simply have to be a reconstituted anarchism/anarchy to take this on. Anti-tech and civ positions will essentially become the structural default. Socdem anarchists like Cindy Millstein will essentially become the new liberals.

I do think that something like the hunger games is basically the future if things go on unabated as they are right now. It'll be China with techno-feudal characteristics and longer leash with marginally less repressions.

While there is a soul in prison, I am not free. So what would happen next is, I'd be free like duh obviously

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