An Anarchist Rejection of the Covid Culture War

An Anarchist Rejection of the Covid Culture War

From It's Going Down

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At the beginning of the pandemic the state claimed masks were futile, but this was due to shortage and the government’s refusal to regulate the free market to ease the pain of the pandemic. Once companies managed to catch up with demand, the narrative changed. Many people likely died unnecessarily as a result of this.

Wearing masks can help save lives, but it is not a political statement in and of itself as some seem to think. Wearing your mask is not meaningfully countering the death-cult voices on the openly right-wing side of this culture war, it is simply common decency. On a larger level, it serves the state’s agenda to be louder about wearing masks than about the failing medical infrastructure around the world, or how the global medical establishment only serves the rich. I cringe when I see a liberal wearing a mask as if it is a symbolic virtue signal for BLM and organic farming. Supporting masks, encouraging vaccines, and not wanting vulnerable demographics of people to die is something we may have in common with someone on the liberal side of this culture war– a culture war that has been fabricated by state media and the worst of the internet– but it does not mean we can align ourselves with the liberals.

As Omicron predictably swept the earth in light of a vaccine rollout hobbled by the interests of capitalists, the pandemic that has plagued our lives is showing signs that it may be here to stay. Denmark has already acknowledged this: taking into account its privileged vaccine status, the country has already dropped all covid restrictions. Hong Kong, a country with some of the toughest restrictions in the world, is struggling with the futility of their own covid mandates in light of Omicron and may wave the white flag soon. Still many are dying across the world, as many also die from cancer, heart disease, famine, and war– although capitalism seems to consider these the cost of doing business. So much has happened since March 2020 when this boring apocalypse began.

I am not excited to be writing another piece on covid, but it is a truly unprecedented event. Even beyond the scale of death it has caused, its ripple effects and political implications are essential to discuss, no matter if we’re all tired of it. The pandemic continues to dominate our lives despite a looming and ongoing climate catastrophe, a global refugee crisis, the hyper-resurgence of fascism, and an increasingly stratified world. The world will never be the same. As anarchists, however, we must also evaluate our own behavior to grow and strengthen our communities of resistance in light of the world to come.

You can read my last article regarding the anti-vax and anti-lockdown right-wing movements that seized on the fear of those overwhelmed by this unprecedented event. I do not subscribe to this rubbish thinking. I am vaccinated; the first time to help others, the second time to be able to travel and enter a damn bar. I find the narrative of much of the anti-vax and anti-lockdown movements to still be dominated by double standards, inconsistencies, and the heinous influences of right-wing and anti-Semitic opportunism, but governments pretending the pandemic is the fault of the unvaccinated doesn’t work on me, because I know who is to blame. Omicron is a direct result of vaccine companies blocking patent sharing and the capitalistic practices of the “first world.”

I am uninterested in playing into the games of the governments of the world, governments that have proven they exist solely to preserve the comforts of the wealthy and maintain the existing social order of misery for most of us. Covid has made this even more obvious. After the arguments of state-defenders that murders and rapists are inherent to humanity (rather than a result of poverty and a patriarchal society), plagues and unprecedented global events are probably the next things to be used to defend and rationalize the horrors of government. Covid has shown, however, that the government really serves no purpose apart from its own interests, and will cravenly blame those it rules over if it can not manage what it supposedly exists to manage.

I am pro-vaccine the same way I am pro-chemotherapy. Both are a method of dealing with a horrible thing produced by the same horrible society responsible for the problem’s creation. I am cautious and concerned about who I come in contact with because I realize that the excluded and exploited are more likely to be affected by this pandemic, but I also believe many are suffering through this pandemic beyond the medical element of covid itself. If you don’t see this, you probably have a comfortable job or secure existence, because for myself at least, I wonder if the stress from this plague is going to kill me before the plague does.

I encourage people to be vaccinated as well as take precautions to ‘stop the spread’; but the implications of mandatory vaccinations concern me. I am concerned consistently with every opportunity the state may see in the fear caused by the pandemic or generally confusing times; this new precedent of mandatory vaccination worries me as does every crazy-ass thing governments do when people are afraid. It is ok to say this because it is an anarchist position.

Being an anarchist means rejecting the theater of politics. I am part of a movement that in its most sincere form cannot be trapped by the culture wars fabricated to divide us, because such wars are fought on faith that the systems in play will determine who wins. I can never welcome the decisions of the state without questioning them. However, some of us, whether through fear of a never-before-experienced pandemic, or more sadly, the fear of judgment by the liberal establishment, have made these kinds of compromises in position and rhetoric.

In my last article I mostly attacked the right’s use of the pandemic to distract from broader issues such as the hyper-profiteering of the rich during the pandemic, state opportunism in repression and authoritarianism made possible during the pandemic, and rampant inconsistencies exposed by the pandemic when it comes to government regulation. At the same time, as we have learned from governments around the world, lockdowns cannot be a cut-and-dry debate, and the authoritarian opportunism the pandemic has allowed governments around the world is something we should have seen and challenged in the process of breaking away from right-wing counter-revolutionary analysis. We cannot fear the judgment of the liberal and left-wing establishments around the world that have blindly accepted government decisions and who attempt to smear anyone who challenges the government’s decisions as being in league with white supremacists and Christian fundamentalists.

We are anarchists, not a political party looking to appease those whose analysis and ideas only exist within the framework of the existing power structures. We are anarchists meaning we are anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-sexist, anti-so on, and so on, because our defining characteristic is being opposed to all facets of domination and exploitation.


Blind support of lockdowns is inherently classist, and not consistent with an anti-authoritarian position. I don’t like to use the term classist, because the mainstream use of this word tends to focus on incidents of class bigotry rather than class society as a whole, and is directed towards achieving “class peace,” rather than pushing for the elimination of class society. With that said, and in order to confront a specific tendency, realizing it or not, there were some fairly offensive classist approaches and tendencies coming from those fetishizing the state’s pandemic procedures.

Take for example people staying at home and posting TikTok videos of fusion meals (prepared magically), pompously letting everyone know they were staying in to help others without acknowledging that this is only possible on the backs of cooks, delivery workers etc. unable to do the same. It’s almost in line with the disrespect shown to workers by the bosses and fascists who wish to challenge the existence of the pandemic sheerly to preserve their sacred free market.

It assumes that others can get through even a week of not working without financial aid, while millions of migrant workers across the world, documented and undocumented, have not been eligible for the emergency pandemic financial resolutions or stimulus packages made by nation-stations and banks.

It ignores the labor and suffering that is necessary for such a meal to be made during these times– the “heroic essential worker” praise at the beginning of the pandemic was temporary and conditional. It reflects the worst of the liberal establishment, both in the USA and copy-cat centrist movements around the world.

Even the liberal establishment’s distasteful promotion of the vaccine as a moral choice, despite the majority of the world still waiting for any access to it, continues this classism. From early on, Americans and eventually Europeans were flaunting their vaccine status as the rest of the world was beseeching the WTO to make generic versions because they couldn’t afford Big Pharma’s price tag. You saw many declaring that the pandemic will soon be over because “we did it,” despite “we” not including much of humanity!

Now, as the western world begins to acknowledge that its approach to the crisis failed, recognition of the possibilities of “a permanent pandemic” only takes into account the conditions faced in the West, not the increases in deaths and looming variants that will continue to spread in the so-called third world, most of which is still waiting on the first world to share patents or non-expired vaccine surpluses.

The inconsistencies and mismanagement of the pandemic shine a light on the inherent flaws of the state. Unfortunately, giving too much consideration to the coercive talking points of the liberal establishment prevents us from countering the fascists who have dominated the narrative around covid. That is why we must find a balance, never allowing ourselves to place faith in the mandates of the state or expect the state to share the interests of anarchists with regards to managing the pandemic.

Drawing lines takes courage, especially on sensitive subjects, but as anarchists we are familiar with controversial approaches. Many who claimed to be interested in saving lives in the USA are now silent as Biden sends people back to work, obeying the demands of the bosses and capitalism. It’s a decision followed by countries around the world due to the pressures covid mandates have put on air travel, the transfer of goods, etc. Saving lives will always come second to saving capitalism on both the left and right side of the power games, no matter if one side minces their words or is willing to budge a bit.


Many who couldn’t “hunker down” and had their livelihoods sacrificed by state mandates are now turning to the right. As I write, truckers are blocking borders and cities in Canada and the USA over vaccine mandates. Blocked borders and occupied cities are typically something I would be excited about, but police and state forces haven’t obliterated these truckers the way they have indigenous land blockades and occupations against pipelines in Canada. The trucker protest crowds are generally of the included, not the excluded. They don’t challenge the broader system of capitalism, and are a generally confusing phenomenon for the status quo since they resemble its base. The convoys in Canada and the USA are quite troubling in light of the political associations and motivations of their founders. Solidarity blockades are also catching on in France, New Zealand, and more countries around the world. We are in conflict with the broader conspiracy theories and fascistic narratives that have helped to form these blockades, but we must counter them on our terms without resembling the voices of the liberal establishment. An excerpt from a recent on-the-ground review of the convoy in Ottawa and some of the liberal counter-protesters complaining against it helps paint a real-life example of why we need to challenge ourselves to counter these fascist events from an anarchist position that has no consideration for liberal approaches:

In the afternoon we check out a counter-demonstration organized primarily, it seems, by residents of downtown Ottawa who are sick of the noise, traffic, and acts of hateful speech, harassment and bullying on the part of some of the protestors. Countering the trucker protest before it becomes a full-blown neo-fascist revolutionary movement is so, so important but I honestly felt zero affinity with this counter-protest in particular. Most of the signs were either calling for more police, complaining about inconveniences like sound and traffic, or making fun of the demonstrators for being unvaccinated and/or stupid. “Honk if you failed civics,” “Self-driving trucks can’t spread covid,” “Ottawa police act now,” “Make Ottawa boring again.” A lady with a wordy sign about how vaccine mandates save lives mistakes me for a member of convoy protest and chastises me for apparently being illiterate, “Did it take you a few minutes to read that one, honey?” I have a graduate degree and no business being this personally offended but I feel a surge of rage at downtown liberal elites who think the problem is that these people just didn’t go to school long enough. We leave before it’s over, just as some of the protestors are engaged in a verbal standoff – antis chanting “Go home dipshits” while convoy protestors chant back “We still love you! Love! Love!” and the police form a stronger line between the two crowds.

-Critical Notes From On the Ground in Ottawa (Regarding the so-called “Freedom Convoy in Canada”).


The emphasis on appropriate and educated semantics and aesthetics that has invaded anarchist movements for years tends to come out of privileged university circles where issues are discussed instead of systems. As a result, we are discovering people on the fringes of our movements who feel connected not by experience and discontent but rather by a shallow connection of superficial identity. While fascists of all backgrounds deserve not a millimeter of space, we should admit allowing liberal mindsets “within” anarchy is a potential reason so many continue to get recruited by the right without even knowing it. Out of fear of resembling the right, we are allowing ourselves to be censored by the liberal establishment.

There are increasing riots worldwide related to lockdown restrictions. In the Netherlands for example, (https://itsgoingdown.org/reflections-and-report-on-the-nov-19-riots-in-r...) on two occasions since the pandemic began there was some of the most intense rioting the Netherlands has seen in its modern history, mostly by unemployed and marginalized youth struggling in the most unequal country in the European Union. Many liberals, leftists, and even some anarchists dismissed these riots solely due to the ugly spark that may have helped trigger them.

On the days these riots happened, there were disgusting protests. The worst of the worst coming together: new agers, religious fundamentalists, right-wing politicians and neo-nazi/fascists protesting peacefully in their grossly white parades against the vaccines and lockdown mandates. Maybe some of the hooligans stuck around for the riots that followed, but those attending the pre-riot protests events are generally of the included, white, and privileged in the Netherlands, and could be seen denouncing the “hooligans” and “thugs” who came out when the sun set.

Lockdowns were the last straw for huge demographics of youth in the Netherlands who face constant racist violence by police and a second-class livelihood. Many pissed off, unemployed, and disenfranchised youth saw these events as an opportunity to manifest their rage. However, the liberal bourgeoisie and academic folks who dismissed these riots grouped fascists and politicians with unemployed youth of a variety of ethnic and racial backgrounds simply because of the timing. How could some of us succumb to such a superficial and elitist approach to understanding a manifestations of social war that should be of interest to anarchists? It is a blurry time for humanity, myself included, but we have got to keep our analysis honed.

Anarchists consider looting the destruction of the sacred commodity, as well as reflecting poverty the looter faces. End of story, this is an anarchist response. However, those who tend to dismiss from the ivory towers of the academic and privileged world may not have the intellect or sincere desire for revolt to even appreciate such a thing. One may not manifest rage in the precisely opportune time or among the prettiest of circumstances, but it is our responsibility as anarchists to see these moments where such ruptures and tensions manifest and, regardless of the judgments of the liberal establishment, demonstrate our solidarity and support.

As anarchists we have to continue to assert our position unconditionally, heightening our voices and communicating our position clearly in order to make it clear to both sides of this culture war that we are not falling for the distractions. We want social war towards liberation.

We have learned a lot since March 2020. Just because we militantly reject the right’s death cult doesn’t mean as anarchists we should give in to the moderate right, centrist, or leftist establishments either. Whether civil wars in history, or Black Lives Matter, Occupy, the anti-globalization movement, or the pandemic of today, we hope the anarchist movement will always remember that “On the one hand there is the path that leads to the institutions, on the other, the way to the streets. These paths cannot co-exist.”

 

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The truckers and farmers have tremendous leverage and power because of the position they occupy in the economic supply chain. When they go on wildcat strike it actually means something. They also enjoy massive popular support, having no problem whatsoever in raising over 10 million dollars in crowdfunding campaigns. They may not be opposing the state for all the “right” reasons, but the fact remains they *are* attacking a mutual enemy and it is wrong to countersignal their efforts let alone sabotage them thus tacitly taking the side of government and corporate power in this conflict. I think there is also something to be said about anarchists being jealous of the truckers and resentful of the fact that they haven’t been very relevant these last two years and no longer hold the centre in terms of anti-system thought and praxis. Perhaps we could do well to humble ourselves and reflect on this as a teachable moment.

sorry anon, we aren't maoists, there's no buddying up with some populist bandwagon for the sake of attacking the "mutual enemy," especially when we are also the enemy to most of these people, and they ours (those not-quite "right" reasons you allude to). your polar thinking has you placing red hat creeps (many of whom can be found among said bandwagon) at some mythic center of "anti-system thought and praxis" and anarchists outside of it - the last two years haven't been chuds vs the state but also riots against the cops because of police killing of black people, something the chuds (with some exceptions) stayed away from or attempted to police with guns while anarchists were active in their support and participation. There are many points of resistance that don't boil down to lockdowns or vaccination

The people opposing the lockdowns cannot be so easily pigeonholed as “chuds” or wtv other-ing label of your choice. The fact is there is a broad and extremely diverse range of demographics of people involved, and so labelling them all as “trump/MAGA/etc” isn’t helpful and only plays into the hands of the neoliberal establishment who have been manufacturing this event as another episode of the false and divisive so-called “culture war” adding up… to what? A deepening of the misery and poverty of everyday life for all.

Our movement is dying. We have failed to develop strategies to respond to the surge of state authoritarianism. People are looking for answers and a way forward. And as the article points out, increasing numbers of people will be recruited into the rightwing for lack of other more liberatory alternatives to our situation as well as because they [the right] have seized this opportunity with both hands whereas we are letting it slip through our fingers.

When my enemy becomes the enemy of my enemy they are still my fucking enemy. Understand?

The vast majority of those people are *not* your enemy except perhaps only in your mind. They don’t even know who you are! I’m positive they have nothing against you personally and most likely don’t give a fuck about the particulars of your precious politics. Are you so insular you really can’t get along on any level with people who aren’t anarchist or who have different opinions?

Makes me wonder what would you do in an anarchist revolutionary situation… line up everyone who doesn’t think like you up against a wall and shoot them? There should be plenty of room for a diversity of opinions, etc.

Why do you consider the working class to be your “enemy”?

Are you hearing yourself?

Is that a tacit admission you’re just an over-privileged trustfund kid?

That's not what I said. My comment was in general.

Here is your logic:

@anon why do you think neo-nazis are your friends just because they're working class?

Do you see how dumb this is?

The working class is not a monolith.

Well maybe you should stop generalizing.

Genuine neo-nazis probably make up like 0.000001% of the folks involved in this struggle. There was actually a guy in the Ottawa occupation who rocked up with a nazi flag, and he was promptly chased off by everyone there in short order. Are the truckers/farmers/regular ass folk there asking for mass deportations? Are they asking for the internment of ethnic minorities? No, they’re asking to have a say over what does/doesn’t go into their own fucking bodies. Maybe you have more in common with the average person at these events than you realize. Maybe you should stop acting like an arrogant, judgemental prick and go check it out yourself instead of assuming everybody there’s a racist just because Justin “black face” Trudeau said so.

@anon why do you think RCMP are your friends just because they're working class?

The police/feds are NOT a part of the working class but rather something more akin to a middle-managerial class.

Kristian Williams talks about this at length in Our Enemies in Blue so I won’t rehash the argument here.

You say potato I say potato.

The “working class” is not a singular thing to be blindly supported or opposed.

Understand?

The freedom convoy is not a singular monolith to be blindly generalized as some alt-right nazi conspiracy.

“Understand?”

See how I just used your own logic to dismantle the way you were labelling everybody involved with it as some sort of Nazi? You’re the same person who monolithically labelled the whole working class as your “enemy” earlier, correct?

Idk why my previous response to your condescension was erased. You’re probably a mod or something…

don't you see that by agreeing with the other anon that 'X is not a monolith/singular thing' that it is entirely idiotic for you to call for support if it as a singular thing--the freedom convoy?

sit with the above sentence before you have another fit. really think about it.

you played yourself again, 08:43. it's not even funny at this point. it's just sad.

I find it very ironic you would dare to invoke the RCMP as being somehow my “friends” when it is in fact YOU who seems to have so much more in common with them… By which I mean: you are both trying to smear, sabotage and ultimately destroy a genuine working class revolt.

Perhaps one of the most damning things I’ve read lately highlighting this alliance between trustfund university liberal anarchos and the RCMP is this passage right here from the recent piece entitled, Critical Notes from on the Ground in Ottawa:

“Like many protest movements there are revolutionary elements within it that would like to see it escalate into something much more. That could happen – it is a really big and successful protest and a lot of the people there seem very inspired and committed. But it hasn’t happened yet. It should be stopped before it does that, ideally by grassroots resistance and not by police repression.”

Highlight: “…It should be STOPPED… ideally by grassroots resistance [i.e: us] and not by POLICE REPRESSION…”

Right there, these fucking liberals are caught snitching on themselves, exposing themselves as being the useful idiots of government power. Fuck them.

Link to the full piece: https://itsgoingdown.org/critical-notes-ground-ottawa/

is it makhno? is it the alt-right canadian scumbag pretending to be an anarchist and mimicking his language? you can't tell!

(my bet's on the canadian chud but their ideas have so much in common it's pointless to try and differentiate)

I'm satisfied just to see this conversation finally happening on @News, so I have not made, and will not try to make, any more comments in this thread.

There's the blatant discursive incoherence in calling a whole protest movement "CHUDs" or "Right-wingers" just because of the obvious presence of retrograde idiots among a bunch of truckers, despite the fact that there's 0% racism or sexism or fascism in these protests, both in their tactics and their rationale.

For sure liberals will do their gay cowboy dances in order to "subvert" these blockades, but at the end of the day, the true motives here remain the same... It's about protesting the despotic Covid regulations of the Trudeau regime... or the reactionary liberal defense of this regime, justified by a bunch of cheap allegations on the nature or motivations of these protesters.

We've seen the stupidest media antics being deployed lately against the protesters. From the cops claiming that children were "living" on these trucks to Ottawa residents seeking to flee the city due to the threat posed by the truckers... and at the moment they're accusing the protesters of being Putin trolls... which is reminiscent of how the Harper admin has accused the anti-fracking movement of being backed by Russia.

This is all due to an authoritarian administration who don't wanna be held accountable for their own arbitrary actions and decisions, neither will be negotiating or rethinking their shit, and instead would rather be scapegoating protesters. Just like with social media ID politicians, facts or reason don't matter; demagogy is their only line of defense.

Post-truth wasn't invented by Trumptards, they just followed-up on a tradition first developed by internet neolibs.

speaking of stupid and reactionary, i'm sure you would have loved the u.s. after 9/11. both this "with us or against us" mentality and the obsessive repetition of the word "freedom" would have convinced you that a true "working class revolt" was breaking out against the threat of global sharia.

I don't get your point here. Comment is vague and relationship to comment above it is even blurrier.

It looks like you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Many of the organizers and backers of the Freedumb trucker convoy are avowed white supremacists. You need to follow Kurt Phillips twitter @ARCcollective and anti-hate network Canada. They are systematically profiling all the main players of the convoy. The main people involved are far right agitators and supporters/members of far right political parties e.g. Conservative, PPC. The fact they have a successful outreach campaign that has hooked many ordinary people into their movement doesn't negate the fact that this is movement was initiated by the far right and propagandized by far right media outlets like Rebel Media.

No, it is you who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.

The two main organizers - Benjamin Dichter and Tamara Lich - is a gay Jew and an indigenous woman respectively. Perhaps that which anarchists could contribute to this struggle the best is our critique of “anti-politics” that is… to guard against political recuperation and hammer home that no politician or political party can save us. That’s something only we can do through the principles of self organizing, mutual aid and direct action.

I don’t have time to continue this debate at this moment… but this discussion is far from over.

How do you have so much time to post on anews don't you have some red workerist meeting to attend?

Additionally, the anarchists you're thinking of (though clearly do not associate with) do not have a critique of “anti-politics”, these anarchists have an anti-political critique.

So please stop trying to hammer (and sickle) your workerist position to death.

Is it all you can do to point out spelling errors/typos and make cheap adhoms?

How about addressing the arguments presented instead, dick.

^suspiciously troll responses imo

"i'll be back later to argue in bad faith some more, regardless of any new information!!!"

Not everyone spends all day posting comments on @news like some no-life incel.

Just sayin.

They are the organizers of the GoFundMe donations account. I don't know how much they had to do with the actual organization of the convoy itself. Tamara Lich is a fundamentalist Christian and it's not clear whether her identity as a Metis is authentic. BJ Dichter is a failed Conservative Party candidate. Both are separatist supporters, Islamophobic and racist . Dichter even welcomed the confederate flag at the Ottawa protest. Milo Yiannopoulos is also a gay Jew, yet supports Nazis and wrote the alt-right manifesto for Breitbart. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart...
Don't tell me you've fallen for the old trope that ethnic minorities can't be racists against their own ethnicity?

https://www.antihate.ca/the_freedom_convoy_is_nothing_but_a_vehicle_for_...

https://pressprogress.ca/anti-vax-convoy-leader-says-he-welcomes-protest...

The protest as US dark money all over it. The GoFundMe account was frozen after it was found that 1/3 of the donors were either fake or anonymous, and mostly from the US. A new account was then set up with the Christian donation platform GiveSendGo. But this was also frozen after complaints of widespread illegal activity by the protesters and the blockade was declared illegal by local Ottawa police. There are Trump flags, US flags, and Q flags at the protest. Trump and Ted Cruz and other Republican politicians got all upset that the donations had been frozen. That should be a red flag as to what is going on. It seems to be some sort of 'op' even if difficult to trace.

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2022/02/04/opinion/startling-trump-inte...

"Benjamin Dichter and Tamara Lich - is a gay Jew and an indigenous woman respectively."

Yikes... Like no.

Tamara Lich is the fucking lich! She's a blonde, blue-eyed conservative of dubious origins. There's been a recent trend of non-Native bullshitters claiming the Native identity, and sadly at the benefit of the Indian Act which has a lot of gray areas in how it designates a "Native" person. Yes, there's plenty of wannabe Natives in Canada who got their Native card, allowing them to some privilege including the possibility of fronting as "Natives" in media.

"Lich" family name is totally, like, British: https://www.houseofnames.com/lich-family-crest

Benjamin Dichter is gay? WTF! Whatever happened to Milo, the Proud Boys, or the Panzer Division? Dunno! But Dichter's been a lot on the Tucker Carlson show...

That is very common now, people who formerly shameful of the 3% indigenous DNS count acquired in the mists of pioneer history who now, in light of the recent IdPol surge in cultural acceptance and inclusiveness, suddenly become passionate advocates, out of self-interest, for a group they formerly ignored. Don't get me wrong, I have many real indigenous folk who have the values and DNA exceeding 12%, which is my benchmark, who, if I could, I would return their land to them to do what they like with to eternity.
Anyway, cultural and political identity is a construct and I also sympathize with the anarcho-nihilists that it could all be erased as well, and in the process rid ourselves of the roots of many social dramas and tragedies, but hey, maybe that's going a bit tooo far, like like would be a bit boring without some ornaments and costumes.

Being gay or trans isn't an instant licence to enter the realms of radical politics, its just another normative identity classification signifying nothing.

It's useless to keep pointing at You are losing the game of opposition, and you started losing it as you went on actively *supporting* the absurd, incoherent, despotic Covid measures. There was another battleground you could have taken on, but instead you took the State's side, denying dissent.

Everything that once gave you a political edge is now gone, but it's not the CHUDs that took it from you; you left it behind yourselves.

Now you are nothing else than lapdogs, barking at everyone who walks free outside. I suppose this is what weeks of self-isolation for "the community" does to you... :-(

*keep pointing CHUDs*

you're the one playing a manichean game in your own imagination.
don't let the brainworms tell you who you're speaking to, you'll just drift further and further in to a nightmare.
there's no liberals here... do you even know where you are?

I completely agree with your sentiments, actually, I'm a van driver, but this has no influence upon my view that there has to be a reconciliation between workerists and anarchists. I don't think the individualists are so much a problem, they are flexible and independent enough to live within the economic system and remain anarchists and a good person, especially when they dish out their expendable income into good causes. In effect they are withering away the machine from the inside out, replacing the older worker's unions work in an era when most workerists were illiterate and dumb peasants. In this era, the anarch workerist is an informed and empathic cog in providing essential services to women, children, gays, trans and POCs.
The traditional purist anarchist-communist is actually a bankrupt socialist seething with ressentiment and ranting out rhetoric and dogma to a small alienated group of sociopaths, and will continue to foment division and hatred against a system which reared, fed and housed them and their mom and dad and brothers and sisters.
We must be more tolerant and move slightly towards a radical centrist worker mode if we are to ever gain leverage in these increasingly harsh conditions, thankyou.

"The traditional purist anarchist-communist is actually a bankrupt socialist seething with ressentiment and ranting out rhetoric and dogma to a small alienated group of sociopaths, and will continue to foment division and hatred against a system which reared, fed and housed them and their mom and dad and brothers and sisters."

I can only agree with the first part of this paragraph, which is actually worthy to be spray-painted somewhere... while the rest is the most absurd denial imaginable. The system is primarily what is seething division and hatred among people, not the opposite. I also am not seeing ancoms be fomenting so much "hate of the system", where I fail to see how they are... dividing it? Like you mean they're the ones really behind MAGA or the Wall Street billionaire fraudsters? That doesn't make any sense. brah.

Well, the second half of my comment was influenced by my love for my boringly petty bourgeois family members, and, call it absurd, but dad's state-funded heart bypass surgery deserves SOME gratefullness. Yes, I'm a heavily conflicted individual, looking for an explanation for my feelings.

To elaborate, I find it authoritarian of purist anarchists to tell me that my emotions and empathic feelings are wrong, and that I should " change them, or else!"
Individualists don't allow for the incursion of imperatives designed to alter their creative wellbeing in whatever circumstances they are born into.

LMAO "I find it authoritarian of purist anarchists to blah blah blah blah blah blah"

Ahhhh the old, 'I have urges to do horrible things to people that do not want it and if you oppose me you are an authoritarian purist-anarchist' defense.

Wait till they learn what actual individualist-anarchists of old and of today would actually think of them.

"They may not be opposing the state for all the “right” reasons"

they are NOT "opposing the state", they are opposing one particular law (or set of laws) imposed by the state. there is a HUGE difference there.

I have noticed covid really smoked out a lot of authoritarians. Big difference between supporting (and seeking) vaccinations and supporting vax mandate checkpoints. Big difference between my choice to stop using indoor spaces to meet my parthers vs trying to force this on everyone else with a closure.

Disclosure of a source of bias here: The pandemic affected me differently than it did most of those around me. I am autistic in a way that makes any kind of confinement intolerable. This to the point that I have compared jail to fire torture.

There has never been a pandemic (not even the Black Death) that the general public would agree to fire torture to forstall. Thus in my position, I had few good options.I needed to escape house arrest as a condition of continuing my own existance, and do it without threatening anyone else's existance as a price of continuing my own.

In the end, I was able to wait out that mess out in the woods with trusted friends, another ancient reponse to plagues that is known to work.

Since then I have seen many different responses. Masks I see as low hanging fruit-and I lucked into a reliable supply of KN-95 masks early. Vaccines I use essentially as self-defense and another layer of defense for my housemate and my partners. The school and business closures I was mostly unaffected by. I went back to getting all my entertainment outdoors, removing everyone else who would be in a nightclub as exposure sources.

The far-right has politicized not just mandates but also the use of defenses such as masks and vaccines. This is total
science denialism. When I was at a counterprotest against a "anti-mandate" protest in DC, I was there to oppose the Proud Boys, who attended in a group of about 50. The signs and speakers though were all kinda of antivax and antimask bullshit, and minimal discussion of the "sticky downwards" nature of letting governments impose ID checkpoints that essentially treat walking like driving.

I do not wish to be part of any community that relies on cops, tickets, and jails as their public health defenses. If the larger community insists on doing this, I can legitimately demand not to be a part of that community. My neighborhood chose to go all-out on lockdown support in Spring 2020, including a neighborhood patrol of snitches. A neighbor ordering them off his family's yard nearly sparked a gun battle. Had I not left that community until the stay at home fell apart I would likely have been killed. Instead I was 1,000+ miles away, out of their reach and probably at less covid risk than they were.

Remember: the cops are not your friends, and those who cite a pandemic as a.reason for a a curfew or a checkpoint will be quick to find another excuse latwr

In the beginning of the pandemic (2020) the virus was spreading like wildfire and there was no vaccine. The death count was rising exponentially. Nobody could do anything about it. The way to deal with a highly contagious lethal disease is to reduce human contact, cuz that's how viruses are transmitted. If some or most people ignore this, the only way to reduce contact is through cops, tickets and jails. Should it really be up to those who don't want to get sick to have to be the ones to move away so that selfish narcissistic assholes can live normally?

In anarchist hunter gatherer societies or medieval villages, people who were thought to be contagious were shunned or forcefully isolated from the rest of the population. In modern civilization, there really is nowhere else to go, as people are completely dependent on technology, so lockdowns become an option. Governments are really the only form of mass organization big enough to can carry out and enforce lockdowns. This has conflicted a lot of anarchists, including me, but even though governments are almost always a force for evil, there are certain times when governments can be useful as a necessary evil. i.e. war, natural disasters, pandemics.

I think some of the mandates are draconian (restaurants) but some are not so much (large events, air travel). I don't want to be couped up in tight quarters with a bunch of unvaxed people. And it shouldn't be up to me to accommodat people who don't give a shit about others.

"If some or most people ignore this, the only way to reduce contact is through cops, tickets and jails."

"Governments are really the only form of mass organization big enough to can carry out and enforce lockdowns."

After you're done licking boots you should come to realize that you've stumbled your way onto an anarchist website, are speaking to anarchists, and should fuck off outta here forever with your boot licking bullshit. You will never manufacture consent through your propaganda campaign here, "Primal".

Lol...you see feds everywhere, even when they're not there. That's why you keep losing. Enjoy your micro-ghetto in all its pristine purity.

I only meant to point the sheer incoherence of authoritarian lapdogs like Primal.

For instance, here they are saying that "the virus was spreading like wildfire and there was no vaccine."

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The latest wave was more than twice as big as last winter's mega-wave, which dwarfed the first Covid wave.

That was *after* months of vaccination campaigns, with most countries having around 3/4 of their population vaxxed.

And I'll repeat that Covid has had a 2.1% fatality rate worldwide, which is way lower than Influenza in its first years.

But I think "lapdog" ain't accurate enough. I propose we start using this new term instead:

"laptroll".

"I only meant to point the sheer incoherence of authoritarian lapdogs like Primal."

Anyone who disagrees with me is an authoritarian lapdog.

"And I'll repeat that Covid has had a 2.1% fatality rate worldwide, which is way lower than Influenza in its first years."

Source?

yeah, not to mention how any talk of death-rate numbers should probably engage with how dishonest most of the numbers are ...

*side eye to smug pedantic douchebags* (of which tbf, i often am one)

"In anarchist hunter gatherer societies or medieval villages, people who were thought to be contagious were shunned or forcefully isolated from the rest of the population."

No. That is incorrect. Quarantining, shunning, or forcefully isolating people is a relatively modern concept circa 17th-18th century. In medieval times and prior, people didn't really understand how diseases spread. During the bubonic plague, it was thought to spread through smell or poor hygiene. Obviously they were wrong. If people had known and did as you're claiming, various bacteria/viruses wouldn't have spread like hot cakes, killing millions upon millions of people. Viruses don't necessarily need direct human contact to spread

"Viruses aren't real you retarded sciencecuck. Every radical centrist knows this," --SirEinzige

"During the bubonic plague, it was thought to spread through smell or poor hygiene. Obviously they were wrong."
Well actually there was a legitimate correlation between the RATE of infection and smell and poor hygeine. Where there is more smell, usually feces and food scraps in the gutters running down the centre of all slum streets, and the 100 fold population of rats because of this, and therefore the millions of fleas, nay, trillion of flees infecting all thy dirty peasants, infection went exponential in smelly dirty places.

People at that time didn't know the plague was carried by rat fleas or rats in general.

But that's beside the point, which was that their belief that the bubonic plague was attracted to bad odors, filth and bad hygeine, they were correct, because rats and fleas were, as I explained before, in huge numbers near bad odors, filth and bad hygeine, without even knowing germ theory, they were illiterate, and their sensual perceptions, their smell, sight and health, translated the relationship adequately.

I appreciate your comments on this board.

WTF difference does it make who was dying where you piece of shit? Old people are expendable in the anarchist utopia!
The first outbreaks happened in China among young and middle aged people. In the US outbreaks first occurred on cruise ships, which became hot box incubators. Covid then spread worldwide through air travel.

Globally the covid death count is anywhere between 1.5% and 8% depending on the country. Deaths from the flu vary between 290,000 and 650,000 per year worldwide. Covid has already killed nearly 6 million worldwide and nearly 1 million in the US alone. So save your anti-vax QAnon political culture wars bullshit for someone else. Your comment reflects the typical moronic irrational post-truth conspiracy anti-science cultism that has made serious discourse impossible.

It's not about the importance of WHO's been dying from Covid, but the inconsistency between their vastly disproportionate death rate (i.e. the stats consistently saying that the vast majority of fatalities were in the 70+ age group, among people often in nursery homes or those who had the chance to go to ICUs), and the fact that the ENTIRE POPULATION, outside nursery homes, being FORCED to comply

Yes, because we all know that viruses will only spread in nursing homes if you just leave them alone. Lol...

How do you think the 70+ demographic got the virus in the first place? Through the general population spreading it to them. You have to minimize transmission among the entire population. You can't isolate a virus, you have to isolate people.

"How do you think the 70+ demographic got the virus in the first place?"

Because, duh, the massive occurence of cardio-respiratory illnesses and diabetes among these people, and the related unhealthy lifestyles of being already secluded in sterile confined spaces, often with poor venting. Adding to this the completely psychopathic mismanagement of moving people from ICUs to nursery homes early in the pandemic... And then there's people like you defending these psychopathic managers, coz they "experts".

Oh, so the old comorbidities excuse? And the old, "they died with covid, not from covid" excuse? LMAO! That still doesn't explain how the virus spread to them in the first place all the way from Wuhan. You still don't get it, do you. It has to spread to them from the general population , right? It means the general pop was coming into contact with 70+ people. Duh....

Don't they teach basic science in school anymore?

Let it go brah dude, most anti-vaxos are Trumpists, so let them slowly die off from the emerging variants which are inevitable.

It's a good time for the small number of actual anarchists that remain to stay out of the limelight and let these social-media clout-chasing leftist pseudo-anarchists idiots fight their idiotic "culture war". It's a good opportunity to work on projects that are actually of an anarchist nature, rebuild anarchist infrastructure and so on - this isn't our fight.

I had a simple choice: get out of the.stay at home, or be driven to suicide. Norhing in between. Consensus among those I knew was that covid (original death rate 2% or so) wasn't deadly enough ro justify the latter response where house arrest is not an option. In the end, I was.able to get all the way out of the offending community while staying in existance. I would not now exist if I had been trapped in say, Australia. I am alive now because the US is a borderline failing state unable to do a continent-wide lockdown successfully.

I cannot be part of any community that requires submission to confirnement as a price of membership.

Suppose all the folks like me were in one place in Spring 2020. Wirh no info about covid we.get the binary choice to do stay at.homes or let it burn. Let it burn we take not 2% but 10-20% dead wirh nobody willing to tolerate hospitalizarion. In my particular case a genetic lung conditiom raises that risk still further,to 50% plus but that's another issue.

Enforce pre-enptive community wide quarantine on a community of folks with the same personality type I have though and we get 80% dead or more-worse than Ebola and close to a.total wipeout. Note that with hospitaliizatiom off the table the main rarionale for "curve flattening" does not apply. If we knew this shit spread mostly outdoors though we could cancel indoor stuff and contain it.

hmmm! and it's the same largely incoherent discourse pretty much everywhere

i'm a "front line worker" for the record but this would be a great time for a critique of identity to be part of that analysis?!

one of my primary pastimes at work since the plague started has been puke laughing with absurdist dread as more and more "normal people" started chugging reactionary koolaid like the clueless dupes they are. smoking down on that joe rogan to steve bannon pipeline. these people are almost completely media illiterate, they accept what they're told entirely based on the charisma of whoever is speaking and they are EVERYWHERE, tho they happen to be my "class allies".

and now they're having their little coming out party and discovering street politics, as useful covidiots of whichever moneyed interests are astroturfing the shit out of what would otherwise be the usual cast of far right grifters. if you're not just trolling @news right now and you actually think there's anything else MEANINGFUL about this current wave of populism, buy my moonland immediately! i have great deals on moon land! guaranteed return on your investment! cash up front!

note that this is for the context in so-called "canada", cuz I appreciate the writer's points about how real lockdowns are having much broader effects in other parts of the world. but here, it's basically just comfortably middle-class boomer whining about how covering their chins is the same as HRT and CRT combined.

For this purpose the term "locldown" should be reserved for stay at home orders and curfews. A stay at home order is a 24-7 curfew.

In the US these had huge holes, notably that "essential" trips didn't have to be documented, the "exercise exemption" was not distance limited, and ID checkpoints were rarely used. There WERE some early state line checkpoints but they were bypassable by getting off the interstates.

The US never imposed compulsory quarantine tracking apps on phones. Some colleges did but anyone was free to withdraw from school to avoid it. Unless you were employed there was usually no place you actually had to go where phone numbers were collected for governmental contact tracing. Note that contact tracing information from covid apps has been used for general law enforcement in many countries.

Some countries were far worse: China only backed off off padocking people into their apartments over fire safety concerns. Outside China, Australia and New Zealand.were probably the worst and had no land borders to retreat over. To escape Melbourne would have requires sailing into the open sea and living off fish and distilled water for 118 days,not putting in at any port no matter what storms came up.

Next.to this, adding.vaccination to existing border checkpoints or closing stores is no lockdown. Calling them such is like calling protesters holding hands while blocking a road "locked down." They are only locked down when using hardware devices to obstruct removal.

true true Luke! it's easy to see how a lot of the rhetoric is sourced from a murky international reactionary discourse because it just doesn't apply very well... it doesn't make much sense in the local contexts it's often being used.

canada hasn't really even had much in the way of "lockdowns", with a few short term exceptions, none of which are currently in place, afaik. it's more about access to public and work spaces. this is why it's an artificial discourse, being disseminated by bad actors and often picked up by people who uncritically repeat assertions from their favorite media personalities.

Holy fuck there’s no fixing that kina stupid. You retards r the same as the actual Karens who #karenconvoy. Fuck all of you faux anarchist fools especially this primal philistine.

I have no cheerleading illusions about the convoy but it is what you could call a preferable political expression to science supremacy and its believers.

In terms of the proper anarchist policy on vaccines, the obvious position to take is an agnostic position with a long term tendency towards wellness and properly dealing with zoonotic born spillover viral diseases that come from non human domesticated captivity to go along with large human populations. Vaccines are the the proper long term solution for this especially considering their links to neurodegenerative conditions. What is needed is more holistic networks that properly get to the toxic stress source of zoonotic born viral disease.

Wet marketing bats and Pangolins is how this kind of thing happens. Cut that out you pathetic civilized humans.

Hey, I think I agree with you, but from your comment I can't quite tell what you are for or against. . Am I really a "primal philistine"?

I was arguing about this whole pandemic thing back in 2020 with Bellamy and Amory in the comments on their youtube channel Liberty and Logos. They were convinced the coronavirus was a hoax and that it was all a govt / Big Pharma / China conspiracy, and that the virus hadn't been isolated, etc. It was pretty wild. All their 'totally anarchist' talking points have since turned out to be completely false. and debunked. Their channel went dark after that.

I have no desire to see large amounts of people managed and controlled plague or no.

I don’t think those two were calling it a hoax it obviously isn’t. It is true that Covid has never been isolated but then again neither had TMV HIV or any V. That doesn’t mean the viral diseases and associated vesicles are not real and causative but when talking about exogenous viral evolutionary entities it’s highly doubtful they exist.

You are prolly incapable of understanding why but you to go WAY back and understand why certain germ theory assumptions are likely wrong. The fact that the virus is never separated from the vesicles for instance suggests that viral disease is really just a dynamic of endogenous vesicles and toxic stress interplay. Infection and contagion can be theorized WITHOUT exogenous entities.

This does not make Covid a hoax by any means.

"What we need is an anarch "radical" centrism that empowers we antiscientism ego anarchs to tweet soft "a" n-words at the science cuck retards and expose their egregore identarianisms" -SirEinzige

Turd out of ten. Now run along.

Another poster here. Yes, there is a grey zone even scientists are baffled by, and that is the influence that messenger RNA cells have on the direction and form that mutations take when reacting with the immunity system, thus variations (variants) may be influenced by environmental toxicity and also internal physiological drugs such as adrenaline, endocrine and many more.
It is quite possible that viruses caught from animals are harmless until they interact with and multiply within weakened and compromised people who act as breeding hosts and the initial virus mass reproduction factory which if successful, becomes the vanguard and maverick virus success story.

I’ve gone through this with Pasteurian dogmatists a million times now and they always fail a basic standard.

There is no evidence of viruses as LIVING CELL WALLS. That’s my criteria for whether they exist or not. You’ve jotted out the usual non evidence.

IF viruses exist they should have a living unique protein structure that is found in ALL infected and affected cells. That’s the criteria. Get back to me when you demonstrate this:)

Viruses don't exist! The evidence from peer-reviewed medical journals showing clinical and lab results is "non evidence". Everything we know about virology and molecular biology is wrong! Sir Einzig knows more than all the world's top scientists!

HAHAHAHAAAAA !! HAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!! HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAA !!!

Fucking hilarious. Thanks for laugh. I needed that.

Everything and one is wrong. It’s just a matter who is less wrong relative to the day. Evidence via theoretical model enforcement does not entail something is correct(Ptolemaic science)

Much of this modern epoch of science will be wrong over time. I am banking on being in the less wrong camps with some of my, admittedly fringe, theories.

I’m fairly confident about viruses not existing because I’m paying VERY close attention to toxicology and extra cellular vesicle data. I see where things are going;)

Every time one of you damn noobs responds to Ziggy’s brainwormed theories he ejaculates with smug satisfaction. Just stop it. You’re only making him more aroused.

Ok, thanks for the warning. I promise not to respond to Ziggy anymore. The last thing I want to see is him ejaculating.

who the fuck cares if a "virus" does not have a "living cellular wall"? the virus exists, whatever the fuck you want to call it. does the existence - or lack thereof - of a "living cellular wall" change the millions of infections that have been and will be a result of that little fucker?

I’m arguing that another explanatory theory is needed to explain it that is not based on non existent exogenous viral organisms.

I argue it starts with having a revamped understanding of biological stress and toxicity as it can relate to infectious contagious disease.

to your first sentence, i respond: why? what is the significance in the real world (not the world of abstract theory and academics)?

to the point of your second: i don't disagree.

Why was THIS post deleted mods?

As I said, I think much of germ theory dogma ends up serving modern modes of control. A critique of virology is part of a larger qua critique of germ theory which from the very beginning was used to further capital state control.

My ends and means are more pro functional medicine informed by anarchic values.

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We ejaculate the radical centrism SE’d like to egregore into anarchland

Another poster here. No scientist can still say for sure that the Big Bang Theory is fact, its still theoretical, which means, with numbers and formulae relating to light wave theory, and then by extrapolation back in time. You DO know what "extrapolation" means don't you, or will I go "duh!"
Likewise, inner space is theoretical, scientists don't even understand the mechanism of dreams and thoughts. Theirs is a mechanistic conclusion, whereas other more agnostic perspectives postulate that rather than a linear Big Bang start culminating in an end, they say the Universe is more likely to be a cyclic event of expansion and contraction.
Likewise, only recently scientists discovered that the human body is infact comprised of 80% bacteria cultures in a symbiotic interplay and balance with the human endocrine system and immunity cells.
Also, they've only just realised that the centre of the Earth is not comprised of a solid sphere of iron, but a semi-plastic molten silicate dough. Nothing is certain about viruses and their interwoven function in the maintenance of all life on Earth. Be careful Primal of what you assume, there is no proof that viruses are independent autonomous living cellular lifeforms able to travel through the air like superman, able to infect 2 billion people with the wave of their spiky skin.

Lol....and yet we have photos of viruses. And we can even target the spike proteins on them to render them relatively harmless.

Be careful of the QAnon nonsense you spew. It will make you look silly.

You have photos that are inferred as viruses. Even Robin Weiss admits as much in his House Of Numbers interview.

If you were to recall the attempted Franco-German isolation of HIV back in 1997 the only photos they have are cellular debris photos which Gelderbloom and company go on to infer from their. It’s admitted as much that these viruses can’t be separated from debris(vesicles and other micro stuff)

Trolls like SirEinzige and these flat-earth-level nuggets of wisdom are why anews isn't taken seriously. It's a damn shame.

ziggy, let's say you are correct, and the virus cannot be separated from debris. (for starters, you just called it a virus, i thought that was the point you were disproving?). what fucking difference does it make in the real world??

It has not been separated from the debris. If this inevitable conclusion is accepted then it now becomes about the vesicles themselves and what is driving their particular diseases based formation.

Fortunately there are indeed other explanations for infectious disease vesicle formation that do not require a virus construct.

Anarchists need to be grateful for SirEinzige's wisdom on these hoaxes. Consider this deeper dive and prepare to wake up:

The virus fiction was created and initiated by Louis Pasteur, who cleverly made the size of these fake "micro pathogens" so small, he didn't need to prove they didn't exist. It was the word of the establishment against the people.
When you go through the material presented here, you will realize that CONTAGION is fiction too. Numerous experiments where they injected material from sick patients into normal people prove that diseases are NOT infectious. INFECTION or CONTAGION is fiction.
Diseases are caused when cells react to toxins or poisons in the body. Junk food, and other toxic foodstuffs we eat, cause cellular reactions. What this means is diseases occur from a reaction WITHIN THE BODY. It does not happen when a small fictitious 'virus' ENTERS the body from the OUTSIDE. It can't. Let me repeat: Contagion is pure fiction.
The immune system of each person is individual to his own body. Like a fingerprint. Therefore, a one-stop solution like a universal vaccine will not help the immune system cope with the disease. The opposite in fact. A universal vaccine will only destroy the individual's immune system. The hoax of microbodies entering from outside into the body, to cause diseases, works conveniently for the pharma cartel, to make millions off the toxic vaccines they produce.

SirEinzige Goon Squad - Radical Centrist #08

You might ask: What about viruses that "scientists" photograph? How do you explain pictures?

This entire question is based off of a flawed understanding of what a “virus” is. The government has access to futuristic technologies making it possible to create a “virus” using imagery indistinguishable from what an actual "virus" would be if it existed. After all, if the "virus" photographs didn’t look and feel exactly like what we've been brainwashed into believing "viruses" would look like- the entire plot would be exposed.

Really makes you think.

SirEinzige Goon Squad - Radical Centrist #42

You've interpreted SE's argument incorrectly, he is merely saying that viruses exist, but that they are vesicle related and internally mutated, traces of which MAY be transmitted in the air in mucous droplets to other people (contagious), but that the naming of these vesicles as "virus entities) is erroneous.
--SirEnziegeTruthBrigade Dept5

Instant pseudo-virus eradication program.
Abstain from deep fried food of genetically engineered foods .
Reduce white sugar intake.
Get up of ass and do some exercise.
Abstain from antibiotics and alcohol because they destroy internal beneficial organisms.
Eat healthy vegetables and fruit.

Some people have been asking: I’ve encountered a "virus" in my dreams. What do I do? Should I be concerned?

First, breathe- remain calm. It is vital to not panic, and remember that this experience is not abnormal- these "viruses" have likely been haunting your dreams for most of your life. Once you have regained your composure, look directly at the "virus" and declare the following statement confidently: “I know your secret. I know that you are a mass delusion created by the 'science' cucks. I know that behind those spiky cellular vesicles you're soaking up my egregore and sending it to the 'science' cucks. I am onto you. I know you are not real.” - By vocally establishing dominance over the "virus" in this moment, your fear should subside, allowing you to remember that you are the human, and that it is merely a hoax.

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We are awaiting directions, we are bored, there are no actual viruses, just a whole lotta vaccine debris keeping us busy moping up these useless injectables and toxins over and out!

Capt Max of the SirEinzigeFreeStirnerianAntibodySelf-defenceForce

These pictures mean and prove nothing, they could be hundreds and thousands, or the ebola resembles the purple woolen pompom my mom has on her beanie. This is obviously PhotoShopped!
Most people died from toxic diet complications and compromised immunity systems and were over 70years of age, and only alive because they were propped up by a cocktail of pharmaceutical medications, and had been for years.
Modern medicine artificially keeps folk alive long after their own defences have given up, and the altered chemistry and immunity system has been poisoned by chemical cocktails which all have serious side effects.

As I’ve stated numerous times those aren’t photos, they can’t be photos cause if they were they’d be something distinct from cellular debris. Even virologists admit this can’t be done and infer from there.

Try again.

"There is no evidence of viruses as LIVING CELL WALLS. That’s my criteria for whether they exist or not. You’ve jotted out the usual non evidence."

Viruses are acelluar. Meaning the don't have cell walls. A cell wall is the outermost layer of a cell and it's not living thing/wall. So, do cells not exist because they lack living cell walls?

Come down things like a cell structure as well as having characteristics of being alive. I’m aware that the current explanation is that viruses are acellular(as well as being given this weird purgatorial status of not being alive or dea)I just don’t buy it especially for something that is said to have evolutionary agency. I expect such a thing to be living with specific protein characteristics.

There is a much more parsimonious explanation of course. Viral diseases are driven by toxic stress factors mediated by vesicles. You really don’t need this non existent spook to explain viral infection and contagion.

It’s as simple as understanding that biological stress can be communicative.

Why do you think major attempts were made at isolating and purifying them? They never succeeded(HIV is the famous failed example where all they found were microvesicles). There’s now an attempt to explain some half baked high jack theory of the endogenous vesicle mechanism.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12947040/

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/113/33/9155.full.pdf

They changed their definition because they simply weren’t coming up with purified isolated evidence. Now as for the above, I argue a toxic stress explanation via vesicles is better then some convoluted hijack theory.

I'm just a plain unbiased anon and will say this, that scientific measurements also incorporate variability, and scientists report this as uncertainty in an effort to share with others the level of error that they found acceptable in their measurements. But uncertainty in science does not imply doubt as it does in everyday use. Scientific uncertainty is a quantitative measurement of variability in the data. In other words, uncertainty in science refers to the idea that all data have a range of expected values as opposed to a precise point value. This uncertainty can be categorized in two ways: accuracy and precision.

Accuracy is a term that describes how well a measurement approximates the theoretically correct value of that measurement, for example, how close data describes the characteristics of autonomous life, e.g. viruses are in neither the living or dead state for any postulation about their true form.
The term precision, by comparison, describes the degree to which individual measurements vary around a central value. Measurements with high precision are highly reproducible because repeated measurement will reliably give a similar result; however, they may or may not be accurate. For example, every scientist visually observes living cells infected with viruses as being viruses per se, when in fact they are other living cells infected with an elusive and hard to identify or observe viratic entities.

"I’m aware that the current explanation is that viruses are acellular"

How can you be aware viruses are acellular when your criteria for whether viruses exists is dependent on the outer layer of cells? Viruses don't have cell structures thus they don't have cell walls. Heck, you weren't even aware that cell walls are inherently non-living.

Let me guess, you are a big fan of Robert Koch's original postulates before he had to modify them. People that believe viruses don't exist typically love Koch's four postulates as originally written. I notice you use science research papers when you believe it supports your claims, but reject ones that don't support your claims. Geez lol. You can cherry pick and try to move the goalposts to try to rationalize to yourself that viruses don't exist all you want. Cognitive dissonance can be unpleasant and you're trying to avoid that unpleasant feeling that comes with cognitive dissonance.

What confuses you about whether viruses are alive or not?

Doctor of medicine here :-
Acellular: Not made up of cells or divided into cells. Or lacking intact cells as, for example, an acellular vaccine which may contain cellular material but not complete cells.
Thx

You mentioned the original Koch’s postulates. Yes I’m a big fan of them. If you are going to claim the existence of a disease causing agent then the postulates as originally conceived should be the bare minimum not the loosened up standards which preserve germ theory dogma.

You do know that viruses as non living acelluar agents is a fairly new position. That was not the assumption for HIV and its supposed isolation.

The reason I show papers is to show the body of evidence that backs my theory. If I’m making an argument that there is no separating viruses and vesicles then the two papers I presented are fair game. It’s not cherry picking, it’s making a connection that germ theory dominant science is not making.

Viruses were originally theorized to be alive and cellular. That they’ve changed the definition THIS much shows that it’s the germ theory dogmatists who are cherry picking and moving the goalposts(just like Big Bang theory sign).I’m the one presenting an alternative hypotheses of stress and toxicity as it relates to viral infection and contagion via vesicles.

I happen to think my theory is more parsimonious and better:)

Oh you’re new, welcome.
Just ignore ziggy. No one actually has any idea what he’s for, including him, except for calling everyone r*tards.

The same people who trash antifa, labor organizing and anything leftist as cheesy populist “strugglismo” are now thrilled by the emergence of a virtually all-white militant movement (with significant astroturfing and support from the wealth and media of the entire right from nazis to fox)... And are falling all over themselves to do populist cheerleading and say anarchists should get involved. Repeating the excuses for racist harassment which has terrorized a major city. Repeating the idea of a “working class” movement when the vast majority of Canadian truckers are vaccinated and many of the protesters are not truckers but right wing activists converging from around the country. Etc . Huh. Did y’all say the same stuff about 1/6/21?

As I was adding on, most things from ordinary people are not anarchist(especially post left) but there are still things worth broadly supporting especially things that challenge the creep of cybernetic biopower.

That former arguably has more transformative potential. While I’m not anti-Floyd BLM there’s an awful lot of Uncle Ted’s system’s neatest trick going on. There was clear recuperation going on there never mind the fact BLM has now become a mansion owning joke as well as having what looks to be Afro-Nazi rank and file given what happened in Louisville recently with that pan African nutcase.

You're just babbling.

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