HBO's The Anarchists: Interview with Lily Forester and Cabra Alghul

From Cyber Dandy

You may know them from HBO's 6-part Series, the Anarchists. In this episode Lily Forester and Cabra Alghul follow-up the show with their thoughts on anarchism, what they liked and disliked about HBO's show, how things are going now, and the future of Anarchapulco!

HBO's site for The Anarchists:
https://www.hbo.com/the-anarchists

Anarchapulco:
https://anarchapulco.com

Lily's (and soon Cabra's) website:
https://highlyfunctionalgrowth.com

On Thaddeus Russell's podcasts:
https://www.thaddeusrussell.com/podca...
https://www.thaddeusrussell.com/podca...

The Four Agreements:
https://www.thefouragreements.com

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I know some of you hate that Input this on youtube. Just gimme a day or two and I will have it on anarchy tube.

Disappointed that this interview didn't ask the guests any hard questions about their promotion of fascist/anti-Semitic/conspiracy theory bullshit at their event. .the last Anarchapulco event that these people worked on a few months ago ( which was online) featured Holocaust deniers like Max Igan and covid-19 deniers.

shit I didn’t know that

THEESPECTACLE would like to say: Great job platforming fake anarchist anti-Semites! Next time do better research into whom you are platforming----- at least enough to have a conversation with some teeth.

Liked and subscribed. So hard.

On top of all of that, "Anarchopulco" is a haven for all kinds of conmen, grifters, cryptobros, snake oil salesmen, "gurus" and "healers" that you'd expect to see in any festival catering to white, well-off neo-hippies with a settler-colonialist mindset. The entire thing is completely unrelated to anarchism - most participants are Libertarian or ancap-adjacent. HBO's "The Anarchists" was ragged on by real anarchists on the internet for weeks after it was released, precisely for these reasons.

Vice did a ideo on the place few months before the HBO docu. They called it the "anti-vax Burning Man", and that's an apt description IMO. The holocaust denial shit is shown at the end of the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk-_1UBskPw

Thanks for the source, tho I find it fucked how you're replaying the old liberal normie disc of equating anti-vaxx with Holocaust deniers. Just imagine if by default, people setting antennas on fire were Qanon, right?

Even when there's a Venn diagram, it doesn't count as an "=".

Different anon here. It's not "equating" when they are BOTH anti-vaxx AND Holocaust deniers.

Carry on.

All cultural identity is parallel to Auschwitz, every anarch-nihilist knows this !

I'm not equating them at all. I just thought Vice's description was fitting. Anti-vax is whack as hell but it isn't as bad as denying a fucking genocide.

Last time I heard someone call something "whack", that was coming from a normie douchebag in reaction to me not paying at the entrance of a student party I helped organize.

Better get your analysis a double-check, you lib. Refusing to get some dodgy corporate "booster" product injected in your veins within dodgy corporate scamming context of a health crisis sounds to me like a very anarchist thing to do. So yeah, anarchy's whack, I guess? Bodily autonomy, maybe too? I wonder how that applies to Stakes of the US equally now having a say on another aspect of people's (women's) bodies.

The many facets of totalitarian biopower... So many territories of people's bodies, sacrificed for the Imaginary Community.

Get out of the sticks and stop dissing the lingo, anti-vaxx brah. It's good that you seem to care about bodily autonomy and good health. Thanks for supporting abortion and also gender affirmation.

n quit shouting orders at people community cop. They don't work too well afaik.

But that's not at all what just happened, brah. TAKE YOUR MEDICINE or no dumpster poutine for you, brah!

Remove the vaxx mandates, and then I'll git u all the sources.

You're reading too much into it. I really don't give a fuck if you're not vaxed.

Still gonna make fun of anti-vax ideology, because that is what it is, an ideology created by grifters to scam and comfort scared people. Did you know that anti-vax predates COVID by decades? In the 90s and 2000s, the anti-vaxers were soccer moms who thought vaccines would give their kids autism.

One has a certain amount of non-sophisticated bumpkin intelligence, the other is driven by a technocratic control complex. There's good reasons to have a post-vax analysis in terms of how you deal with viral disease. Pro-vax is based on outmoded germ theory ideas and an erroneous conception of an immune system as opposed to a morphostatic commenalistic system. There is such a thing as too much vaccination and there likely are links to neurological damage.

Sooo trooo, egregore brah! At least a 10,000+ year post-vaxx egregorian amalysis is required for such anarch non cuck decision making!

Every egregore knows this.

Glad to see you no longer incognito SirBrah!

Fun fact 1: That professional, state-sanctioned authoritarian grifters these two major ones been profiting from people's fear of death and puritan collectivist mindset to profit from crises since way before Qanontards did... where the latter might just be of their own, convenient making? Ever heard of "religion" too?

Fun fact 2: Also especially since the War on Terror this pattern can be cut short as bureaucracies have been used directly to enforce these policies without random people's consent whatsoever?

Yes, those are things that happend during the last 100 years, Captain Ancom time-traveller!

....so yeah, grifters on all sides of the spectrum, as far as the polity goes. Greeks invented those with the sophists, 'member?

'Nother poster here. Hey dude, the Spook-Magnets preceded the Sophists, grifting was an ancient Sphinxian custom, every real Anarch-Nihilist knows this!

What's wack as hell is you anarcho-Liberals railing against the corporate pharmaceutical machine for decades then as soon as 2020 hit, you did a 180 and now are complete sycophants for Phizer/Moderna/and the rest of the vaccine pushers. And you have become the fucking new nazis by supporting hyper authoritarian c19 lockdowns, corporate & government censorship of anyone who dissents from the democrat party's covid narrative, and scapegoating of the unvaccinated. Questioning specifically the covid19 vaccine doesn't make someone "antivax", no matter how many times you Orwellian say otherwise and try to change the official definition and rewrite history. I've gotten various vaccines throughout my life and I'm not blanketly opposed to shots, I'm skeptical of the c19 shot. And Joe Biden supporting liberals like you want people like me censored and barred from society for speaking out.

You seem lost, brah. This is an anarchist website. If you don't want to take the c19 vaccine then don't. Nobody here cares. If you don't want to be "banned from society" then maybe uh don't do stuff that will get you banned. Or change the society! Don't be such a society cuck, brah. Embrace nihilesq vengeance! Eat da poopoo. Boop (your nose)!

That's not what this comment thread is saying, neither past disputes and slandering used against the "antivaxx" here.

So what you're saying that that you poor antivaxx snowflakes got your feels hurt? I assure you that nobody here cares.

You obviously care since you're here steadily parroting talking points fed to you by the democrat party and big pharma. You continue to strawman and use ad-hom smear labels like "anti-vaxer" despite me previously telling you i'm not against vaccines, but merely skeptical of the c19 vaccines. It really speaks to how dull your mind is.

"you anarcho-Liberals railing against the corporate pharmaceutical machine for decades"

I ain't sure that's true... tho perhaps it was in your milieu.The liberal anarchoids I've known never came anywhere close to applying their "critique" of "capitalism" to the big pharma sector, and since a lot of Qanontards rallied against it, your typical Leftie guilt-by-association imputability scheme got applied very quick. Literally, there's a lot of the Left in the social media age who can only associate with an idea on the sole grounds of WHO is supporting or opposing it, and not the inherent logic or meaning. It's a very football fan thing. Actual anarchists should know better, IMO, at least the ego-anarchists...

as the fucking cancelled podcast people would call it.

Still kinda funny that you got a White Dreadlocks lady on the cover of this episode.

My last comment got deleted:

This is the second time in like a week that this website has promoted ancap BS - whether they want to hide behind "agorism" or not....they're capitalists, not anarchists.

Hi anarchist - as you can see from this and many other posts about ancaps, there are plenty of people here who agree with you about their politics. Your previous comment was removed because it was mostly just you complaining about this site and not engaging with the actual post. This one is less whiny, so it gets to stay up.

- one and possibly more but not all members of thecollective

Wholly sheeet thecollective speaks to we plebs in what is almost an explanation of sorts. Is this a teachable moment helping anon to be a better commenter in the world? Is this a sign of collective weakness? An admission of humanity?!?

Its just a smidgen of empathic emotional response osmotically seeping through the hard baked skin of the libertarian 19th Century traditional anarchism that thecollective admire the most!

> This is the second time in like a week that this website has promoted ancap BS - whether they want to hide behind "agorism" or not....they're capitalists, not anarchists.

Cyberdandy ain't a capitalist, vro. No more than you are.

Oh wait, you mean the person he's talking to? Free association much?

Just so it can be said at least once here, I agree with a lot of the criticisms so far and if I did more research I would have been able to do a better job. I didn’t even know they were working for Anarchapulco, so finding that out during the interview threw me off a bit. My assumptions going into it were based on Thaddeus Russell’s interviews and the HBO show. Some of those assumptions were that the fork, or split, was based on ideological disagreements and that Anarchapulco was not going to go on anymore. I’m also not entirely clear on the details of agorism, but on the surface it seems like a type of illegalism.

Anyway, I knew this would be a little controversial. I want to follow-up on the episode with some critique of agorism and Anarchapulco. If any of you know a good guest for that I’d be happy to try and have them come on for it. I’d much rather have a few videos with different angles on these issues than just a long one-and-done with the topic.

Thanks for the feedback!

Apology not accepted.

"If any of you know a good guest for that I’d be happy to try and have them come on for it"
The only correct answer is: William Gillis.

Everybody knows this.

if you want to talk to willy just gotta say you agree and ask them how is impacted from anarchist milieu beef from 2001.

To find audience with a master accept a position as pupil, you must. To speak with a master listen first, you will.

Bring tribute and humility to the gates of my dojo and consider your request, I may.

Everybody knows this.

According to hoodoo legend if, CyberDandy goes down to a swamp crossroads and drizzles himself in the cum of a drunken married man, the spirits might could touch him with the grift gift. Look into it.

I think I would have to personally adopt these bad ideas instead of just interviewing people that have them, no? I skipped the Dr. Bones fiasco... Atassa was enough for me.

It's your constant attention seeking and the endless spamming of your low-tier anarchist content that reminds me of Dr Bones actually.

This is such nonsense. I promote the couple of videos I do a month to the places they're relevant. The more accurate accusation is that I don't spend enough time in a lot of these anarchist forum to warrant the amount of promotion I do in them. Whether or not the content is low-tier, I mean whatever. I work on all this shit on my own and try to pick worthwhile topics and people to interview.

Comparing me to a guy that got cancelled for asymmetrical power relations with his fans, who I think had like ...a street team, who was really commenting on shit all the time, who sought out controversy - that's seriously absurd. We disagree on the merits of this interview, fine. However you're really trying to make this personal and to your credit it is pissing me off.

Also ...I didn't submit this shit to anarchist news. I didn't submit the last one either. Whoever posted this decided it belonged here.

I post my shit to twitter, a few subreddits, my own facebook pages, sometimes the anarchist library page when they're relevant, raddle, my own patreon, sometimes a couple discords, and ni.hil.ist

A lot of that is stuff you would have to follow me to see and I think it's a pretty fair, typical list of shit to promote to. What would your promotion look like? Just create stuff and expect someone to find it through google?

I've seen you spam the comments section of unrelated articles on here with your videos, I've also been told that whenever somebody 'likes' one of the videos you spam The Anarchist Library FB page with that you immediately send a request for them to 'like' your FB page.

By spam, you mean I include a link to my video when something I am talking about relates to it. I know the examples you're talking about and they're usually when something is related to existentialism and/or Sartre.

For the anarchist library thing, do you realize that FB suggests you invite people that like your content to like your page? They also only let you invite them once. That is a spam-prevention mechanism. Yes, I do this. I don't invite random fucking people to like the page. I get a facebook notification that says someone liked it and asks if I want to invite them to like the page, so yes I do that.

That said, I just removed some of my videos from the anarchist library page since not a lot of other people post their videos there. I'll stop posting there in general and just admin it.

I've also been doing this for barely a year and I have been helping with a lot of these projects for a lot longer than that. You could be making these suggestions to me without being condescending about it, by the way. You could be saying, "hey I think x, y, and z are spammy and here are some better ideas." I have already made changes to how I promote stuff based on things I do being too spammy, so it's not beneath me. I used to use software that sent all of my saved news articles to twitter and facebook automatically. I stopped doing that because I personally thought it was too much.

One day they will respect ussss. Until then they will fear ussss.

Smash the like button if you like Dandy content.

Last Anarchapulco event was all about COVID conspiracies: https://vimeo.com/732980373, check out the livestream for the event, literally just happened a few months ago and featured hitler stans like Mike Igan and Jeff Berwick, at the center of the Anarchapulco conference.

Speaking of Berwick, one needs to only spend five sends looking at this video content: https://vigilante.tv/c/tdv_main_channel/videos to see its just a collection of alt-right cultural war bullshit that includes attacks on Jews, trans people and beyond.

Sure not everyone involved in the conference is a far-right racist, but everyone involved in the conference is aware that these people are at the center of it and seem to be fine with it, as this content is the main attraction.

Sucks you didn't do more research before setting up the interview, would have been interesting to actually hear these people respond to this as opposed to giving them free promotion to actual anarchists.

thanks for actually providing links and whatnot. I addressed a lot of this in my main statement earlier in these comments. Please refer to it as I own my mistakes and feel that’s as much as I can do at this point.

"I own my mistakes and feel that’s as much as I can do at this point."

Why not just take the video down then and delete it forever? Does your insatiable craving for social media engagement$ overrule your anarchist principles?

Its well known that these people really misrepresent anarchist ideas and this HBO thing did more harm than good. Pretty shit to give them a platform

I think part of CD's motives was to reach out to a wider audience through these ancap clowns, so that their fans get a better taste of what anarchy is about.

I think part of CD's motives was to reach out to a wider audience that wasn't privy to his bad takes on anarchy and to have them fill the gaping hole of self-worth with social media clout and subscriber revenue.

Neither of the comments on my motives are really what’s going on here. I see my cyberdandy stuff as an attempt to engage as an anarchist with other anarchists and with non-anarchists. I started doing this because for years I felt that more anarchists should put out video and I was feeling hypocritical since I could at least try. Then when Michael Malice’s book on anarchism became the #1 best seller in books about anarchism on amazon, I felt it was even more urgent. At the same time, I have been promoting existentialism as a groundwork for anarchism a long time and wanted to find a new way to talk about that.

So my goals are:

a) inspire conversations among anarchists on topics I think about a lot but don’t find a lot of anarchist media talking about.

b) make a home for conversation about existentialist anarchism

c) have people on my shows who I respect and want others to know about

d) talk to people I disagree with in a visible way so that others can see that engagement is possible and make their own attempts at it.

i followed tech startup guru william gillis the second and got myself triple vaxxed with a triple strength biohacked vaccine that protects me against coronavirus, monkeypox and the atassa journal

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