Jumping Ship, or Why I'm Defecting from the Terrible Community

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As some context, I've spent the better part of my life in circles that are now commonly derided as "Tiqqunist" but could also be called autonomist, or appelist, vitalist etc. I've cooked for gatherings and community meals. I've read everything our projects put out and listened attentively in meetings. I lost count of how many copies of the orange book I've given out. I've seen this tendency grow and strengthen in ways I couldn't imagine since the days when I first read the zine version of The Call and everything I knew fell away and a new world of possibilities opened up. I've formed some of the deepest loves in my entire life through this community. My biological family as well as my chosen family is part of this community. I've suffered with this community, I've watched as numerous close friends from our community pass away and each time have felt a much needed warmth in the gentle embrace of these friends that I can only say are a deep part of myself.

However, at this point everything I've loved about our community has become brutally overshadowed by a larger truth. That truth is that this community has become nothing more than a cathedral to straight white male identity politics. In the desire to find a new anti-political way of approaching insurrection within a dying empire, we've created the exact terrible community that we sought to flee. The truth is that there is a very small number of cishet white men that hold all the power in our movement and the ramifications are staggering. There are virtually no black voices in our community. Those who get tired of tokenization inevitably drop out. Rapists are continually celebrated, protected, and brought into positions of power while survivors quietly disappear. Queer and trans folks are silenced and derided. Women take care of the kids and cook the meals while the men strategize.

This has been the case for a while. But the last few months broke something in me. When a new initiative is started outside our control, members of our milieu take it upon themselves to try to snuff it out before it's even created. A lot of us claimed that our response to Bash Back was actually neutral except for one offhanded comment ("nihilist enemies") by a marginal figure. But we all know that is a lie. We know that in our threads and private conversations we were extremely defensive and reactive towards the Bash Back convergence, and yes, we sought to undermine it. How did we even get to the point that we found ourselves taking an antagonistic stance to a queer anarchist gathering? How did we come to reduce critical comrades as nihilists and enemies? What could possibly justify such a stance? From all accounts, it seems the convergence was a success based off attendance and new energy. The friends who weren't successfully discouraged from attending say they had a lovely weekend. Even the drama seems refreshing compared to how conflict avoidant things are these days. How much did we miss out on by not being there in a supportive way? Imagine if we had actually helped in any way or shown any solidarity, rather than resigning ourselves to the same smug non-engagement that we used to rightly criticize in those who opt out of complicated struggles. Who are the purists now? I would argue that we have deeply deeply lost our way and in the spirit of brutal critique it's time that we saw the forest for the trees. The time has come to destitute our own terrible community.

I'm so sick of watching some of my closest friends, these pieces of myself, dig the trenches and push themselves into more and more reactionary positions. Dividing the anarchist community out of a misguided need to preserve their personal power.

I don't resent these men that have fallen into these positions, in fact I love and respect them deeply, but there's a time when our toxic patterns overtake us and we have to let go what doesn't serve us in order to come together on a deeper level. And truly, me and everyone else, we've all participated in this consolidation of power. We all fed into this every time we ceded our agency to the same guys in lieu of some urgent cold efficiency over the messiness of open communication and porous structures. We've lost the luxurious deliberation that used to be a cornerstone of our milieu. By constantly trying to dodge our critics, we deny everything good about what we do in the world.

So it's with the heaviest of hearts that I'm writing this to say that I just can't do it anymore. I can't watch this tendency fall back into self victimization once again and keep recreating this us vs them mentality while going on to repeat the same mistakes again and again.

I know it's going to be easy to write this off, there's a million ways we do it. This is a dangerous violation of opsec, this is attacking radicals during a massive crack down. This is kicking us while we're down, it's a dog pile. Or now the most cynical of all: critiques are anti-semitic. [What did those theses really win us btw? Everyone was so pleased and then look at how it backfired!] But these are all just rationalizations. We're just circling the wagons and burying our heads in the sands while comrades are begging us in a million different ways to change and stop perpetuating actual harm. How do we grow or meet new people when we've become so paranoid of getting called-out? The reason we don't warn young femmes which dudes to avoid is related to the reason we're trying to convince new people that NVDA is a viable strategy. We know better, but we don't care who gets hurt. But still we won't acknowledge any of the very valid reasons a lot of people now view us as deceptive politicians and authoritarians.

What if instead of finding reasons to not listen, we actually spent some real time self-reflecting? Critique has always been a gift, and we should accept it and respond with honesty and accountability.

We know in our heart of hearts that the strength of our community lies in our fluidity, our flexibility and porous transparency. It's time we put our faith to the test and let go of our need to control and micromanage the scene. Truth will find a way and we can once again find our unmediated friendship within the wreckage of the old world.

I've played along this whole time but I can't anymore. I know others gave up trying a long time ago. But I'm giving it another go. This will be my last try though. After this, you aren't going to notice my departure, because you didn't hear when I went silent long ago. How many others have too? Call us the silent majority.

Dearest friends, we have to do better. Our armor will make sure we drown when this ship finally sinks. It's time to open ourselves up to the beautiful and terrifying outside world and sit with the uncomfortable and challenging contradictions of the broader movement rather than remain in our dwindling echo chambers. We have to find out who we each are before we find each other again. It's time for us to burn our insular threads and gently place these old webs into the river and let them go. Comrades, I'll see you on the other side.

~ with revolutionary humility and tough love [the only kind that counts] ~

a Partisan <3

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Told ya

Unfortunately, it's not hard to have an experience like this in a bunch of different milieus, including with people who call themselves nihilists

It's really not specific to any particular "milieu", you can find toxic dynamics and social fallout anywhere.

Reading this made me feel less alone. I'm happy someone wrote it.

We knew from the very first writings that the entire thing reeked of authoritarian opportunism. We warned all about all communization currents and the decay of anarchy. It is no surprise they had a corpse in their mouth the entire time. People were just too swept up with a shiny new hopeful regimen to notice the stench.

what are your thoughts on fredy perlman, murray bookchin, or the situationist international? all of them either split with anarchism or just actively called themselves communists. kind of funny to see so many anarchist ideologues hyping against his-story against leviathan when it was written by someone who insisted on not being called an anarchist

Splitting isn’t limited to anarchism. You will generally see this with insular discourses going back to the Lettrists and before.

Who cares? We're talking about appelistas and their communization droppings specifically. Neato you read some Wikipedia pages on Fredy and the SI, etc. Your whataboutisms are tedious distractions here.

Why don't you write an article called "What do nihilists think about ____ ?" and maybe you'll get the engagement you so desperately crave... "Anarchist ideologues," "kinda funny".

Perlman said that the only -ist he was was "cellist." The split was not with anarchy but with anarchism. Following the same line of thought, though, an anarchist is one who plays (with) anarchy.

While I agree, MAGGOT, Mother Anarchy is still alive, but like the movements of human His-story, the migration of human and non-human living beings, the slow global movement of sand... anarchy is always slipoing beneath the grasp of our demented, rude territorializations.

The latter arw but Plantations set up by all kind of authoritarians, to capture, fix and exploit what is alive and immanent. The eventual result for its Workers and gurus is their petrification and slow rotting within shallowing tenures and social forms. Only subservience to the wider social order insures at least an illusion of dynamism, autonomy and prestige, and this is why these groups are being pulled into it.

Anarchy is nature, and vice versa. It cannot be tamed, despite all their convoluted efforts.

I like what you wrote. Very evocative. You have skill. I have no idea what it has do to with anything I wrote, but.... cool.

A harsh regimen of daily intense biking, bodyweight lifting, Prana Bindu, occasional shrooms as well as Dumpster Poutine has allowed me to expaaand my mind to Alterity, Univocity and supra-communality. Reaching autonomy means breaking free from the patterns of interdependency and collectivistic *nomos* that keep us entrapped within the civilization!!!

And you maaaay reuse my postings for further print publications under GPL-3 under condition of attribution.

*levitates away on a whim*

I want to infest your living tissue in an writhing orgy of myiasis before metamorphosizing into my next stage of insectoid life.

Nice to see prefigurative politics at work here to attain a perfect community!

This shit is so depressing - all sides of it really. There are 330 million people in the United States alone, the likelihood that more than .001% of those people possess the requisite knowledge of these internecine squabbles to make sense of what is written here is pretty optimistic. Sure, as the author themselves alludes to doing, if you devote your life to building an insular subculture (or "new forms of life" or whatever), it's bound to take on outsized meaning for you and your friends. But I hate to break it to you, the inward focus (precisely what you're contributing to here) is what's killing you. The nihilists and tiqquinists truly deserve each other. Best of luck lol.

Hilarious that you have no idea about any of this yet still take the time to read it AND complain! Talk about "depressing"! What a loser. "lol"

Seriously. I have no idea why people think it makes sense to take the time to read something and then complain (on the internet!) about it only applies to a minority of people and therefore is "depressing."

"There are 330 million people in the United States alone" lol, yes, and? am I supposed to feel affinity with the oddly-specific category you've chosen? (note: it's not oddly-specific, it's clear you identify in some with with the U.S.A.).

Maybe I should just log off and go organize in my community so that my interests have a broader reach, hmmm? And then maybe it will be less depressing to you, anon?

Please, if you have something more important to do than weigh in on the "internecine squabbles" of the < .001%, don't let us keep you. Be the change you wish you see in the world!

Stopped reading when the anonymous coward refers to "The Call"; it's just "Call," no article, definite or indefinite. I'm not an appelist or tiqqunist. I'm just someone who pays attention to words and phrases, and inserting a word in a title (or substituting an incorrect word, like how so many morons do with the IWW), especially one as simple as a definite or indefinite article is inexcusable -- especially for someone who is at pains to establish their credentials as a follower of the tendency identified with that text.

I didn't really stop reading, of course, but as a participant/observer of North American anarchism for a few years I found it unintentionally hilarious that the problems of racism and patriarchy they identify as endemic to tiqqunism passed unnoticed in groups and projects like SRAF, the ACF, the @-primitivist milieu, the initial iteration of Love and Rage, virtually every ABC group, virtually every platformist outfit, and more recently the Black Rose federation. It's as if the unexamined interpersonal hierarchies that permeate North American culture in general are also present among self-professed radicals. Who would've ever suspected that anyone would find it easy to replicate cultural patterns that have been imposed on us for the past five hundred years? I'm shocked! Aren't you?!

what makes this person a coward? because they're anonymous? so are you? because they made a super common what-could-be-called error by including the, when the translation from french to english is confusing?

or just that you don't like what they say? or don't think they should be saying it here?

i'm confused anon 14:17, please explain!

yeah, rather than focusing on the grammar nazi angle, it's more about whether this is a real person, whether this open-secret, not-so-underground of cishet, rape-apologist, commie manbros who wield considerable influence from the shadows... does this actually exist in the US context?

i'm not saying it doesn't, i'm saying it's a large claim which means i'm not required to prove it doesn't exist.

The first English translation, by Lawrence Jarach, listed the title as “Call (Appel)”. Your criticism is thus moronic. Please consider ceasing with further speech and text acts. Typical Anews garbage anon, with wiki-worms in the brain. This is not difficult info to determine, it was published in AJODA. Suppose it is good that at least you feel you are smart, someone has to.

The first English translation was by some guy who was not fluent in French. He fucked up a lot, so Jarach took it upon himself to get a better translation into circulation, which he did in consultation with one of the presumed authors. Even the non-fluent first translator wasn't stupid enough to title it "The Call." Contrary to some other anon above, it's not that difficult to translate if you're passably familiar with French.

it's great that lawrence jarach has people tryin to rehabilitate him in anarchist circles after he did some f*cked up interpersonal violence. i guess there's a statute of limitations on this? no matter how much he shines on people, acting like he's learnehis lesson orsomething

oh he knows about the spanish civil war, so he must be cool

Beating up their ex partner. More prevalent than you'd think in Bay Area anarchy land.

if it's "more prevalent than you think" then why are people singling out jarach? seems like some kind of vendetta.

Was this the German woman? What's her side of the story? And what's his?

he beat up his girlfriend while cheating (not a poly relationshp) on his wife. he did time for it.

good to know that some jagoffs think that because its common it should be ignored. hope i find you sometime 7:35

and his story is that he learned from his mistake. while showing no signs of that learningin andy momnet.

he did time, so the state is done with him. but it seems that anarchists are even less forgiving than the state! who woulda thunk?

if domestic violence is prevalent, it should be called out every time it becomes known -- but in this instance, all your outrage is reserved for one guy?! I hope you find me too, so we can hash this out in person and you can explain why scapegoating one guy who's done time is still so important in your life that you remain convinced that he hasn't learned anything. what "signs" would satisfy you? and what does that even mean? that he continues to perpetrate domestic violence? that he has no remorse? that his life is uncomplicated by being a convicted ... what? did he do misdemeanor or felony time? state or county? how long? is he on probation? since you are so concerned with making sure he gets no "rehabilitation" you should know all this, right? or are you smugly satisfied with starting/repeating rumors and gossip? is it any wonder nobody takes the bay area anarchist scene seriously?

This guy think doing time in the prisons of the state absolves one of their actions in the eyes of anarchists. LOL what a dummy!

11:00 can't read. Above anon said the state is done with the abuser but anarchists are still holding it against him. Just because someone has "paid their debt to society" obviously doesn't mean that the perpetrator's community has to forgive and forget. Above anon was just pointing out that anarchists are even less forgiving than the retributive arm of the state. Which in this case is undoubtedly true.

or maybe people aren't concerned with the state's punishment because it's always bullshit, perhaps used here merely as a marker to differentiate this instance from so many others that don't get that attention, for whatever of the many fucked up reasons.

maybe the angry person here is letting people know that there is something to look into if lj is in their life, and no one else online reading this shit is relevant to the point at all. but of course every fucking fomo/apologist/whatever has to weigh in anyway because god forbid anyone shouldn't know THEIR OPINION

YES. Exactly.

" I hope you find me too, so we can hash this out in person"

Very courageous of you, anon. What's your name and where do you live and where do you want to meet?

Both of you shut up and kiss already

what "rehabilitation"? he translated Call, so it's relevant to point that out. he wrote some other stuff. who cares? seems like the mere mention of his name is enough to rattle the pearl-clutching sensibilities of fragile bay area anarchist scenesters. as far as anyone knows, he doesn't frequent anarchist spaces, and nobody has called for some bullshit "transformative justice" session to make him less hated. there's no move toward "rehabilitation" -- and the choice of terms is quite telling; the language of penology. nice. what lesson was he supposed to have learned, and why do you find the possibility so objectionable? aren't anarchists supposed to believe in the possibility of personal/interpersonal/societal change? it's great to know that there's no forgiveness for anarchists among anarchists. hurray for call-out/cancel culture! maoism continues to infect anarchist spaces. it's disgusting.

f*ck off. it's people like you that give "penal justice" a good name. you don't know sh*t about the situation but have to weigh in, or you do and are excsing his brutality.

if pple beleieved that he had actually learned anything, then shit woudl be differnt. how do you know if he means it or not. sure that's a question. i gauge him from years of experience

nobody is excusing anything. since you know so much about the situation, why be coy? share some facts. "shit would be different"?! what the fuck does that mean? you're just rage posting. since you know so much about this shit, and if you're right in the middle of the milieu he thrived in, then what makes you think he'd want anything to do with vindictive creeps like you? doing time was probably easier than constant exposure to the likes of you.

many logic leaps in your post. you might want to slow down and make one fuller argument/rejoinder before leapfrogging to the next.

just a thought.

lol I didn't actually stop reading ;)

but 'improper usage of articles' is a hilarious critique of "someone who is at pains to establish their credentials as a follower of the tendency", especially when you're talking about translations of texts between languages that differ in their usage of articles. Like seriously your argument amounts to, (1) you're a coward because you're anonymous (2) your argument is invalid because you revealed yourself as an outsider by not following the proper linguistic rituals (prescriptivist detected!) (3) it's *inexcusable* for someone to identify with the tendency if they can't even get the articles right! (4) whaddabout all the racism and patriarchy in niHilIsM!?!

but maybe at the end you're trying to say something like, just maybe, it's understandable that we all are influenced by the totality of the crisis we find ourselves in and it's complicated and maybe it's possible to understand where others are coming from if we don't treat each other like enemies? like do you want a cookie for being First! to recognize that we all have the potential to replicate harmful 'cultural patterns that have been imposed on us'?

- anon commenter, 10/02/23 at 14:17

lol, PATHETIIIIIC!

It's cowardly to publish a scurrilous screed denouncing specific people from a specific tendency and not name anyone or themselves. People who don't already know the author/scene are thereby prevented from investigating the allegations for themselves. There's no way to contact the author or the people being denounced to ask for clarification or different perspectives. That's why it's cowardly to publish this anonymously. When you or I connect anonymously it's a completely different context. But I suppose for social media only anarchists it's all the same. Pointing out what you think is ironic (when it actually isn't) is the equivalent of petulantly whining "I know you are but what am I?"

"Cowardly" is a militarist authoritarian slur. If the author named themselves then they would be sued for slander, so wisely they remain anon.

Oooooh! So still looking for anon's personal contact details?

And why woud you need them?

Maybe maybe, to rough up some critic that's challenging your cowardly authoritaaah, so that you can unleash your redfash dogs on them in a dark alley... which would be pretty unsurprising, coming from Appelistas.

So how 'bout posting YOUR name and address?

Also btw welcome to the Internet! Where anon and pseudon was always a predominant culture.

this isnt the bash back conference nobody is gonna beat up someone who disagrees with them

you don't know what I'm going to do!

What's a " "Tiqqunist"? Please define this in transparently clear language.

How 'bout something more straightforward? 'Good prose is like a windowpane.' I'm not a grad student.

It would be great if people realized that this bad faith way of engaging is a trauma response and if people put the energy into caring less. Being critical was a response to alienation of thr crap world. It is more bold and courageous at this point to look at people who are trying as benevolent. Imagine the creativity that would come if people felt safe enough to play. The gender and racist shit gotta go tho.

Nice copypasta. Your sentences are disjointed. Your first sentence doesn't even finish its thought.
Bonus point for concern trolling.
3/10

should have been respondoing to the insane badjacketing over the years, building a common understanding over time. now all the soft-canceled yt portlanders are gonna "i told you so" these comments like their shit isnt exactly the same

Could have also responded to direct criticism for years rather than dismissing it as “insane” or whatever other forms of gaslighting. But when that’s the mode with all internal criticism, inevitably you get shit like this hitting A news. Fuck Portland though, I think we can all agree on that.

If you dont respond to ridiculous and completely untrue conspiracy theories, you get manipulators and pathological liars posting about you

The idea that dozens of critiques can be published and there not be a single shred of truth is the most ridiculous claim made on this entire thread.

different person chiming in to say actually it is not. but i didnt claim nothing was true. sadly, even when the details are true, the general thrust is false because of the intellectual shortcomings of the authors. more often, the general thrust is true, but all of the details are completely fabricated or slightly misrepresented to fit the needs of an opportunistic social climber who is jumping from one clique to another in order to stabilize their position in a dating scene, social circle, housing market, or all three.

I became a Tiqqunista and immediately became pregnant with leader's child so I didn't have to do the manual labour. The birth was hard on my body but the reward was getting to watch leader earn their PhD with honors.

Stop being funny, this is a serious thread. Every comment here should be taken very seriously, like our lives depend on the outcome of the power struggle playing out here. Will the last black banner of nihilism flutter above the apple? Or will the inhabitants instead bake a pie atop it, cinnamon scented in their victory?

Honestly the whole “conflict” appears as interpersonal drama between people who wished they were invited to each other’s party or organizing event or orgy. I agree the replication of white dominance spaces within political subculture is annoying and dangerous towards building the world we wish to live in. Mistakes have been made then left with choices of trying to build cohesive accountability or self destruct through impassable narratives that leave us with nothing but the shell of what could have been. Isnt this what happened at the first BB!? If any “good” anarchy remains its the commingling of diversity in strategy, tactics, friendships and its potential. We can shun authoritarian tendencies as well as reactionary self destructive behavior. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could all be friends instead nascent enemies?

I feel like the Simpsons meme where they're watching the crabs fight. Best of luck to all parties involved

How is the reason the tiqqunists “don't warn young femmes which dudes to avoid related to the reason we're trying to convince new people that NVDA is a viable strategy.” ?

it's not.

kind of like how espousing NVDA (which i happen to think is fukin stupid and poor strategy) isn't the same as actively peace policing other militants. you can be a pacifist without endorsing authoritarian pacifism, you can strategize about nonviolent tactics because you think you'll get your butt handed to you in a pitched battle.

again, i'm not about that particular set of conclusions, i just recognize them as coherent ideas that aren't the same as liberal activist peace policing.

Can someone amongst you narcissist subculture dweebs marshall the minimal social skills necessary to tell the rest of us what Tiqqun's politics are, clearly and specifically?

insurrectionary anarchism plus farming. basically its almost exactly the same thing but every few years people create social factions between rival identical groups because of perceived slights or scene beefs that are somehow assigned to entire completely nonexistent collectivities (that, through the fighting, briefly become real)

What is this “insurrectionary anarchism”? Is it in the room with us right now?

KEATING ALERT!

Thank you for sharing yr thoughts, anon. I hope that you find other fufilling ways to live and thrive

These are the toxic dynamics of a militant milieu; I’ve experienced it in several flavors of anarchism and leftism with widely varying beliefs and compositions. This points to deeper structural issues including how focused people are on “which team did the bad things.” It’s all the teams.

tiqqunists be like why are you saying bad stuff about us you guys are such mean poopy heads and actually we are gonna do better things with our time like cry over the fact that people dont like us and have genuine reasons to criticize us

Critics: these guys are rape apologists, authoritarians, misogynists, and took a terrible position re: bb

Tiqqunists: who the fuck is leaking our business?

legit like we should be able to post peoples full legal names to sketchy communique blogs and dry-snitch about actions under investigation whenever we want

If someone publishes an article under their name, that’s their authorial choice.

The thing about “the terrible community” is that it applies to every community. If you want to be in a perpetual process of dropping out of every group you’re ever a part of, go for it, but don’t imply that there’s some Good Community waiting for us

It is a sad reality for all communities. Power concentrates and excuses itself. Those outside the inner circle take their beats and do their masters work dreaming of one day entering the circle, or meakly shrug their shoulders knowing they will never be admitted, and whisper its better than anywhere else.

Find your friends and what joy you can in those relationships, and in solitude. There will never be a community that isn't terrible.

*beets

Assuming that the core accusations are accurate, this is the kind of stuff that happens again and again in self-involved subcultures of posturing grandiose cranks who are walled off from the larger world around us. If this was a viable real world phenomena, all the activity would be above board and transparent, the tendency would struggle to establish and maintain political credibility, and all those involved would be equally answerable to each other, as well as to any larger audience for their message in the larger society around us..

How come stuff like this happens -- or is repeatedly alleged to happen -- in scenes like this one and not so often in public formations of the no longer extant classical workers movement? For all its flaws and limitations, the classical workers movement was a viable real world phenomenon and everyone in it had to be publicly answerable to everyone else. It was a real world phenomenon and not a LARP gamer schtick.

oh kev. you're so bored.

the idea that abuse of power and sexual assault didn't happen in the worker's movement might be the most delusional thing you've ever said.

Predictably, you are dead wrong. Study the history of the real IWW, the CNT, or formations of the German left communists of the early 1920s and you will not find the toxic internal dynamics of miserable little self-marginalizing sects or sect-lets, with their secret handshakes in the Masonic lodge use of language, like the one being examined and debated about here. The above tendencies in the era of the classical workers movement were a much larger real world phenomenon and the people involved with them had to be answerable to one another, and transparently clear in their internal workings, in a way that's not being demonstrated here.

It's striking that similar accusations of rape led to the collapse of the skim milk Trotskyist US formation the ISO, as well as the disappearance of the SF Bay Area class struggles in the grad student lounge publication 'Commune.' If these efforts were primarily focused on the world outside of a hermetically sealed and self-lacerating feedback loop the internal dynamics of these efforts might be more healthy ones.

the idea that because the stories weren't told, that means that the events weren't happening, is the kind of reasoning that, seriously, only white straight men could settle into comfortably. not to get all idpol or anything.

that said, of course the state uses every possible tool they can imagine against us. that doesn't mean that it was better when suffering was trivialized, ignored, invisibilized, disappeared, etc.

This is US of Aye-type fantasy projection: everything that has ever existed is not simply a different version of your own personal experiences. In this case -- the Wobblies, the CNT, etc., being just as exploitative in their internal workings as current-day obtuse fringe phenoms in the U.S. -- absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence.

... is this guy serious? he thinks that ANY large organization from a century ago wouldn't have been full of rapists?

... you're fukin embarrassing dude

The old 1886 movement had tendencies like this as well. The classical age of worker radicalism was preferable to this current age but not for the reasons you think. There is nothing wrong with niche cultures and experimentation. They are great for proof on concept human existence. When they become places of toxic insincere radicals with cluster B dark triad traits everywhere(a little bit here and there is fine) is when these niche cultural experimentations no longer work. I all about telling young sincere and creatively cynical genZers to stay the fuck out of these milieu spaces.

Also, subculture is a stupid term. Culture is culture. It's completely independent of scale. Society that you take to be so concrete is the real sub. Society simply does not exist outside of narrative. It has the same type of existence as Captain America or Super Man. Get the wheels out of your head Kev;)

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