The Ted K Archive turns 1 year of age! This roundup shows lots of interesting archival work of green anarchist texts. There's also lots of critiques of Ted K's vanguardism:
https://www.thetedkarchive.com/library/various-the-ted-k-archive-s-one-year-anniversary
activist journies day 1003: still boring
https://raddle.me/f/lobby/177748/the-ted-k-archive
https://www.thetedkarchive.com/library/website-visitors-guestbook
are these all made up quotes, like the one you attributed to john zerzan that time to try and make him look bad?
No, anyone can google search most of them to public websites like reddit. And I sent the cleaned up transcript to Zerzan to get his approval, he read at least a long way down it as he corrected the name Adam Lanza. I just made a mistake trying to clean up a confusing sentence, full of 'urm's'. Which subrosa acknowledged at the time was a confusingly worded sentence:
Interesting. I myself, a very intelligent intellectual type with minimalistic hunter/ gatherer desires, find that when I'm in conversation with illiterate peasants suddenly, and involuntary, dumb down in my vocabulary, with many umm errs in my sentences and quizzical glances at my surrondings, like a hungry predator, but vegan and non-violent, which I attribute to my catholic upbringing, which lingers unfortunately. Am I boring you,,,seee, almost forgot the question mark?
what the fuck is this comment lmfaooo
long live uncle ted. we love you
thank you for all your work, ted k archive
He died, brow
martyrs never die!!
Satyrs don't get ED
dude how'd you get banned from raddle?
The claim I was attempting anarchist and/or anticiv entryism. Even though I am an anarchist who has been going to earth first gatherings since I was 17. I also accept anticiv anarchists and anprims as anarchist. I've just talked about desiring to have the effect of deprogramming some Ted K fans from their dogmatic beliefs like for example when some of them glorify the Cambodian genocide.
It's clearly stated on the front page of the website that the project is in part simply attempting to fulfill a request made by one of the people Ted sent a mail bomb to, to just help bring more clarity to the foundations of many eco-terrorists political philosophy and the psychology of people who buy into it.
There's also a long about this project page being incredibly transparent that's linked at the top and the first item of the Introductory Texts page linked on the front page. Explanations of the admins pro-tech beliefs are pinned to the top of the twitter account for the website and pro-tech labels are tagged to the accounts of admins on discord.
I think part of the problem is some people were in a bubble because they just weren't on any of the platforms where the website was getting positive feedback.
you missed the bit where you registered hundreds of subreddits (reddit.com/r/anti-civilization, for example) and then spammed william gillis texts in all of them. if that isn't entryism, i don't know what is.
come to think of it, you and Gillis are very similar. in every story you tell you are the misunderstood hero.
Is this... a sock-puppeting massive battle between anon and Ziq? Coz Ziq is also heavily into this obsessive sock-puppeting to a point of making Raddle look like a spoof forum.
"sock puppet, cringe, cringe, cringe, sock puppet, sock puppet, base. ACAB lol"
fucking trained seals! your minds have been twisted into little fucking cyber-knots.
I like spreadsheeting lists of shit to de-stress, so I spreadsheeted a tonne of anarchist and vegan sub-reddits in order to create master lists of suggested anarchist and vegan sub-reddits.
As I was doing that I thought it might be nice to try and fill in the gaps of anarchist themed sub-reddits that didn't already exist, so I created and am currently a moderator of this many subreddits (tho only 7 of them are currently above 100 members):[1]
Entryism is pretending to support an ideology and trying to redefine it to be something different whilst hiding within it.
Claiming branding real estate of ideologues you don't like, making clear it's a critique space of said ideology and posting highly critical essays of said ideology is simply not that.
[1] Source: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/100WNnA0jDcanb4zHdJc84p0g0y5NS_pawthGhidAAu4
Tell everyone about how you '''hide your power level''' when trying to '''deprogram''' ppl, Ishkah
just re-programming them in some way...cult think 101.
so ... your worldview doesn't include the possibility of factual, conclusive truth?
Objectivists or agree about everything, lumpy. My worldview changes everyday, try not to gaslight yourself in the face of "consensus".
ew! every single day? sounds like WORK. whatareyou a fukin marxist?
Open minded to being wrong takes a tremendous amount of effort, but if you grasp "your worldview" like its awesome than that explains why you have trouble interpreting posts.
you mean like how you think "objectivism" is when you're objective about something? might want to run a search on that one champ ;)
Sure, so for example I create anonymous accounts, join diehard ted k supporting servers who share fascist reading material among each other, and simply hide my warm feelings for the people working towards a pro-tech anarchist world, and it means I get entry into those spaces.
Then I look to see for example what books and articles they enjoy reading most, then I upload some of those to the archive, either 'as is' or as a research text dump.
Then I hope it encourages wider discussion, plus book and essay critiques of those books, which will hopefully have the effect of deprogramming some dogmatic people who were true believers in the goodness of their ideology based on false premises.
"Pe No: Pol pot was way more effective at society wide change. Everything was going good until war weary Vietnam invaded. Ted's still better tho."
"Clay: Here's the most comprehensive textbook on the history:
https://weremember.gov.tr/documents/History-of-Democratic-Kampuchea-r.pdf
And I've added it to the archive for linking to specific chapters: https://www.thetedkarchive.com/library/documentation-center-of-cambodia-... "
ishkah, you lie like a real politico. your blog says you ''hide my power level'' when talking to ''post-leftists'' to get them to do what you want, which is the usual left entryism into anarchism: voting, ''organizing your workplace'', joining whatever ''big-tent'' campaign is currently trending etc etc etc
yeah ishkah!
it's clear from your activities as a... *checks notes*
... unibomber scholar, that you're trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator!
you shameless sell out!
Yeah these 'exposes' trying to twist things I've openly said about just desiring that my projects influence some people to see the appeal of my political philosophy always struck my as bizarre because the actual projects are mainly just me pursuing incredibly niche interests that just captured my curiosity:
I will give you a partial answer by quoting what I wrote for my journal on August 14, 1983
However, Ted had already sent 7 bombs by this point, and as discussed earlier, had set off in his car with the plan to murder a scientist before he ever even moved to Montana. So, I think statements like these have contributed to a mythology around Ted that he was an 'academic savant who rejected society to live in the wild, and only struck back at technology because of its continued encroachment on his wilderness life'. But obviously, the timeframe for Ted feeling lost and first planning to kill started long before that.
Interestingly, I think this archetypal mythologising is a mirror image of Euro-American narratives of the 'last wild Indian and the noble savage'. The 'noble savage' is admired for starting out a Wildman fighting a justified war against his oppressors and who then becomes someone who could teach the white man his wisdom; whereas Ted is perceived by some as having gone in the opposite direction, of being someone who had all the capabilities and drive to become well accomplished academically early on in life in advanced society, but who chose to reject society to go into the wilds and fight a justified war.
Regardless of the truth or usefulness of these noble savage stories, when we see people who even vaguely resemble them, they are often very emotionally impactful because it's a striking reminder on such an intuitive level that this fight to preserve wildlife habitat and low-impact ways of living are being lost. How we have failed to organize well-thought-out and sufficient resistance to the powers that bring about this environmental destruction.
brilliant! couldn't agree more.
i find this myth-making to be fundamentally reactionary too, since it's a romantic appeal to emotion, as well as a fetishization of violence in the worst sort of way. I like fetishistic violence too btw, i just prefer an honest rendering and most of the Ted myths are extremely dishonest. To me, it "feels" like american-style reactionary bullshit, has a distinct flavour.
similar to the legend of "the killdozer", it's this individual-finally-gets-revenge-against-the-world hero's journey where once you put down the koolaid and take a second look, you're like "wait, this guy was a total asshole and most of his politics are terrible!!! wtf!?"
so mysterious and complicated, yet all politics involve some "victim" over-simplifying practically everything just for attention. Your emotional attachments to fetishistic violence are kinda funny, and the internet would probably like to hear about your fantasies and why you have those fantasies. That's all I have to say about that.
no forest ... that's something your brain is doing. "america style" is like, extra stupid if anything?
like marketed to the soul of a 14 y.o.
when you are backed into a corner by someone making a good point. Very american.
... ok? so you're really fixated on something else i said awhile ago and you think you're "winning" at something. got it
so calling idiots on the internet merits better responses than that?
calling them "idiots", is petty juvenile "14 year old" behavior, and that by arguing like that, you don't deserve some fleshed out and well reasoned response?
*fleshlight
I don't see lumpy using any of those words you're upset about. Are you making things up again or are the moderators gaslighting you?
Could you possibly with a more empty response than that? It seems you are upset about words.
cOUld You pOSsiBly wIth a MOre EmPty RESponSE tHaN tHAT?
Proceeds to make 2 empty responses after complaining about lumpy's word choices that lumpy never used...
Uppercase and lowercase is pretty highbrow stuff! Like dude, im fucking confused about how smart you are.
calling them "dude", is petty juvenile "13 year old" behavior, and that by arguing like that, you don't deserve some fleshed out and well reasoned response?
different...you invoked 13 year olds instead of 14 year olds.
It'll be okay. Breathe.
calling them "master", is petty juvenile "11 year old" behavior, and that by arguing like that, you don't deserve some fleshed out and well reasoned response?
A more empty response than that? It seems you are upset about words. Do tell us why you are upset about words.
Are you a bot?
thoughtful posts i have seen over the past couple hours, are you a bot?
ishkah wrote a list of ppl he thinks need ''deprogramming'' long before he started thetedkarchive. It included: post-left anarchists, insurrectionary anarchists, anti-civ anarchists, primitivist anarchists, anti-tech anarchists, eco-extremists, and, bizarrely, satanists. thetedkarchive is the tip of the iceberg with this guy.
that doesn't make any sense upon examination. Not sure post-leftists and most anti-civ folk would be making bombs, but let's just lump them all together for internet points.
Nope, you've simply mis-remembered. I used the phrase once on reddit when writing about how to bring more people from the left and centre to anarchism. Then I copy pasted it into the end of my disrupting the pipeline essay to simply define a type of anarchism that other anarchists might be open to reading about and find useful. So, disrupt some anarchists progress further down the pipeline for bad reasons of dogmatic purity, not that they should abandon anarchism.
I was simply arguing the benefits of sometimes not dumping all the most jarringly different social cultural norms on someone at once. I know it's an unpopular concept, but I just don't care, as the point is as simple and useful as being able to acknowledge the sky is blue.
wow so you've been going for a year and a half?
Goody-goody. Quotations from Chairman Hyper-Alienated One-Dimensional Criminal Psychopath Guy is just what my United States of 'Murika type delusions and nihilism needs! Koo-Koo for Coco-Puffs!
people who use "nature" as a justification for violence, because I have thought about doing the same thing. However, I'm a lot more curious about how real life could just be a little less alienating, and none of these people who you enshrine and document have any real solutions to that.
I think i emailed you (ishka) about getting information about ted kaczinsky's underlying psychology a few years ago, and you kindly sent me a link to the yahoo! archives of his letters. I think these are the most important take-aways from ted kaczinsky's life:
-He was praised how smart he was from a young age
-He borrowed a lot of luddite and anti-civilization ideas
-his life clearly got worse after he was sent to harvard early and became part of a study, which was constructed to de-construct the ideas of the participants in a cold and dismissive way.
-as a result of his confusion, he enlisted his brother to help him build a cabin so he could get revenge
TK has consistently denies the harvard studies had any effect on him, but i personally see this as character armor. See his anger about his legal team wanting to use the insanity defense...
I don't feel convinced that having a giant archive of his propaghanda really enlightens any of us about "eco-fascism", but i definetly appreciate you turning your fascination into a project, and it's a shame that these online anarchist spaces are so fully dependent on social media like Reddit and Twitter. Don't get bogged down in trying to control the thoughts of the people who are on all these networks, it will certainly drive you mad. For that reason i do sympathize with people who want to their turn their frustration into a political program, or revolutionary scheme.
why would anarchists care about alienation? we are concerned with hierarchy, and the anti-civs consider agriculture to be the origin point of it. kaczynski at some point i remember admitted to using anarchy as a self-descriptor because he thought he had street cred or something.
anarchist?
"why would anarchists care about alienation? we are concerned with hierarchy..."
To me, that approach is just as boneheaded as lefty identity politics, sorry if you feel insulted by that, but what the fuck is your deal that you want anarchists to stop caring about feeling terrible, and not being able to cope with life, when there is so much hostility projected towards them by a lot of different people? Why do embarrassing details about TK even matter to your so much?
"Why do embarrassing details about TK even matter to you so much?"
i was literally just asking a question lol, calm down. and i thought the TK lore would be pertinent to the conversation. my point is that there would be lonely, depressed, etc. people in a non-hierarchal society too. to me stretching the definition of anarchism this much is to make it into a personal development project.
For me, alienation was basically the whole topic that got me in to anarchism as I have struggled a lot with "mental health problems", and some of what TK wrote made sense in explaining it (industrial civilization and its future) but it's pretty clear that there were some enormous flaws in both what he decided to do and his analysis...it kinda baffles me that people posting on here wouldn't understand the connection between severe discontent, technology, and alienation, and i don't accept that "being an anarchist" would necessarily mean accepting alienation. To me, that's anarchism as an ideology or cult, and I personally benefit more from not giving a shit about what I'm supposed to do "as an anarchist'.
Now of course, someone who dislikes hierarchy would have to accept not being a celebrity, wealthy person, ,a higher-up in some organization, etc., but that doesn't mean that you are somehow more alienated than people not like you. I live as a hermit most of the time, but I also respect my own needs to get out and talk to real life people for a change every once in a while, and the fact that people just aren't going to agree with me in thinking that cops and obeying the law are totally unnecessary for my personal well being. When there's an opportunity to talk about my dislike of hierarchy and why, then I indulge, but I'm certainly not going to live under the illusion that I need to find other people who have the same type of dislike for hierarchy as I do.
Why exactly do you have a problem with personal development projects, or people using anarchism for what they want to use it for? I personally need to have some means of reflecting on myself and other people, I can't just being thinking about "doing things" and making money all the time, even though i do have to stay focused on that to preserve the little bit of sanity I have. I like talking, sometimes I think about politics/philosophy/psychology, I can't change those things.
anarchists care about? The post was about TK and Ishkah's activist project. Having to think about what anarchists care about is a pretty overwhelming task, and trying to speak for what they care about resembles representative politics.
I would think that I don't need to worry about any of that while I'm reading texts and interpreting them. I have enough burdens to deal with already.
"why would anarchists care about alienation?"
.... said the online creature about what they apparently haven't reflected on much
i think about my own stuff way more than i want to, lumpy, it's just that if you're going to be an anarchist in a hierarchical world, you're accepting that you're going to be much more alienated from it due to your worldview compared to everyone else. with this in mind i asked that question.
sure, fair enough.
and the political aspect of alienation (beyond the personal) is very relevant to anarchist thought in general, imnsho
want examples?
angry naive people are easily misled by demagoguery
a politics of only destruction and revenge can't regenerate itself very well and tends to become a death cult
prefiguration matters and alienation makes for shit in, shit out
just a few examples
I wonder if TK could rub sticks together to make fire?
Was TK a hypocrite like all the other ideologues?
I just watched the movie Ted K, it was good, and he didn't rub sticks, he wasn't a diehard primitivist so he wasn't a hypocrite. He lived a simple life but used a pushbike, old typewriter, and other non- electric appliances. Emotionally he was immature and a lifelong virgin. All I can say about his character is that he should have got laid or hung out with women more to soften his uncouth mannerisms.
yeah, put it on women to couth-ify him. cool. like we don't have enough to do.
I used to be a rugged out-doorsie type primitivist, very gruff and insensitive, but since meeting my love I've become a couth bed anarch ;)
Two more Raddle threads on this subject:
https://raddle.me/f/Anarchism/178573/reddit-responds-to-the-ted-k-archive
https://raddle.me/f/Anarchism/178777
It's odd Ishkah says above to the anews audience ''''''the actual projects are mainly just me pursuing incredibly niche interests that just captured my curiosity''''' but has elsewhere said he wants to '''''disrupt the anarchist purist pipeline''''', '''''deprogram those who use violence''''' and, most recently, '''''move people over to being more pro-tech.''''' He even made a cute diagram about that last one https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftAnarchism/comments/1893lnb/do_you_think_thi...
Here's the newest version of the cute diagram:
Do you think this is an acheivable and worthwhile goal?
One of my hobbies currently is trying to engage people in productive debates and recommending texts I enjoy discussing which argue people over to being pro-tech, but I'm open to arguments that I should be anti-tech:
A Collaboratively Edited Discussion on Anti-Tech Politics
grrrr why can't everyone be a ''''''pragmatic pro-tech left-anarchist who advocates dual power campaigns and direct action up to the point of property sabotage under representative democracies during non-revolutionary periods'''''' just like me!!!
yeesh I know right, so pretentious of this dude to try and figure out which political philosophies he more or less aligns with and then try to test his arguments out on others. I wish we could all just return to monkey so there'd be no symbolic language to have to deal with, then we could just grunt at each other instead.
ur trying to convert people to your cult, by whatever means necessary, not test your arguments or whatever the fuck
and of course theres a patreon account involved
Totally agree! That's the first thing I'd think was going on if I saw a Noam Chomsky archive run by anti-tech people, those devious anti-techers have gone done found the most devious means of converting pro-tech people by any means necessary. It couldn't just mainly be an interest in archival studies, psychology, politics broadly, etc.
And how dare they have a patreon for the 100s of anarchist videos they've helped archive on their youtube channel, and the half-finished book they let people read in it's half-finished form for a small price, etc.
>>>> It couldn't just mainly be an interest in archival studies, psychology, politics broadly, etc.
dude ur all over the place. you said just 3 days ago that the goal of thetedkarchive was to make people who were interested in ted k into pro-tech leftists: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftAnarchism/comments/1893lnb/do_you_think_thi...
elsewhere you have said you want to give mental health support (your words) to people who are anti-tech (whtevr that means)
It's almost as if the project can have multiple different goals of different levels of importance motivating archivists... shocking!
The key in the diagram says "One of the goals of The Ted K Archive", not "the goal".
And the about page says it'd be good if the website and discussion spaces have the effect of being a mental health support to some degree, not that I personally want to give people therapy.
So, we’re hoping the website will continue to draw people in with similar politics to him and similar mental health issues frankly. Then for the cold hard reality of the primary source reading material, the epic-ness of the suggested reading material and the inviting discussion spaces connected to the website, to all have a deprogramming effect and be a mental health support.
For example, a popular text on the website for a while was simply a book on how to Unfuck Your Friendships and the discord has already played host to a discussion between people encouraging each other to think rationally about their depression diagnosis.
makes lots of sense to me! i've met these people in real life
mother anarchy is a beach where a lot of broken, lost souls tend to get shipwrecked after the storms
there's been several examples who became notorious @news trolls and worse!
when we're getting old, we've been watching the waves crash on the beach for awhile...
(different anon, btw)
anon's posting of the reddit comment just shows that they want to attribute everyone who disagrees with TK as a "pro-tech leftist", and now you, ishkah, have revealed that you've confused arguing with people on the internet and trolling with mental health activism.
You both honestly need to join the TOTW on delusions:
-so why are TK fans so adamant about calling people who don't agree with them...leftists? Is everyone now in "society" a leftist, and everyone who sympathizes with leftists also a leftist?
-why have an increasing number of internet trolls (LIKE YOU, Ishkah) think that using the internet to "de-program people" is mental health activism? So many of the dumb aspects of reddit seem to bleed into @news, which is kinda funny to watch. A lot of reddit posters have become "mental health activists" who basically just constantly tell people to be happy and not kill themselves! I definitely am not a TK fallower, but there is a huge amount of academic research that the constant usage of the internet ITSELF contributes to "mental health problems". Is every sympathizer with TK then a threat to everyone including themselves and in need of psychiatric correction? It seems like a lot of your cult speak re-affirms some of his basic and accurate perceptions of the modern world.
I'm confused, tt yall l.
if i was going to listen to a mental health activist (aka a self-appointed guru) then it would definitely be one of the extremely-online kind, ideally one who has has spent the last year of his life in his mom's basement copypasting texts from one website to another
I wouldn't worry about any of TK's sympathizers, I bet you none of them can make fire by rubbing 2 sticks together!
related to your site, "how to unfuck your friendships":
https://www.thetedkarchive.com/library/faith-g-harper-unfuck-your-friend...
it does have some good suggestions (especially about not feeling entitled), but ultimately this is like most self-help books...its very vague, and maybe only helpful if you feel desperate enough to consult such materials. For example, the list of toxic relationship characteristics basically applies to every single relationship.
"Vagueness: When we respond vaguely or unclearly in order to distract from the truth or the content of the conversation."
I've noticed a lot...especially after my stirner fanatcism period, that people are often just vague, and do not want to really empathize with others. Having such a long list about "toxic traits" has a lot in common with that...
"I've noticed alot,,,especially after my stirner fanatcism period,"
Well of course, then you would have been spending most of your time saluting yourself in the mirror!
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