Anarchy Radio 11 28 2023

From John Zerzan Anarchy Radio

Kathan co-hosts. Ways news media keep us in the dark. Over 600 mass shootings so far this year. Ozone hole, eco-anxiety grow. Women in prehistory better hunters than the men. No "off" switch for AI. "Digital dementia.""Life Really Is Better Without the Internet."Anti- transphobia action in Portland."Slow Burn: Civility and the White Community."

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The best anarchist radio show there is or ever was. All others should take notes.

every time you say how great jz is, or his podcast is, how about you give a reason? what in this episode is different from ANY OTHER EPISODE IN THE PAST TEN YEARS?

or is that why you like it? because it hammers the exact same three nails over and over and over and over....?

I sense some seething ressentiment. You must be from an inferior "anarchist" audio project. How about you give a reason why YOU think JZ isn't the muthafucking GOAT of anarchy radio!

are pretty universally stupid.

anyway, i didn't make a comment that something was good or bad. i just suggested/requested/want someone to back up what they say, when they say it like other people should be paying attention.

i like oranges. they're the best fruit. why the fuck should anyone else here care? what criteria are you using? what other fruits have you even eaten? do you want us to get you oranges? are you sick and need vitamin c?

thanks lettusleaveher for doing a funny, at least. and if it's really you, thanks for the report back too.

I like it bc I wanted to ask zerzan a question so I called and he was very nice to me. I never listen to the podcast but it's a 10/10 podcast bc I have been on it for 30 seconds and JZ is nice to me

JZ is the dad of anarchy. He has a formula that works no need to change it. Like an old warm blanket on a cold night. Old dogs and children and watermelon wine.

His "formula" for putting on his radio show "isn't attainable"??? What in the actual fuck are you on about you seething ressentimentismo? Reread GO3's comment again. This goes double for the sniveling moderator that deletes comments in response to this retarded troll comment.

Fucking dumbass, and also anti-civ. Learn to be polite/respectful like JZ if you love him so much.

So many fucking anarchist lemmings, who confuse reactive thinking with critical thinking.

*CHANTING*
RUB 2 STICKS AND MAKE A FIRE, OR ELSE!
RUB 2 STICKS AND MAKE A FIRE, OR ELSE!
RUB 2 STICKS AND MAKE A FIRE, OR ELSE!
RUB 2 STICKS AND MAKE A FIRE, OR ELSE!,,,,,,,,,ETC

Is this abour the call to have an entrance requirement into the primitivist lifestyle of being able to start a fire without an technology-based ignition system to produce the most important wilding skill of them all,,,fire?

Well if it is, JZ is in the clear, I heard that he started a fire on live radio once just to prove he COULD do it?
It would be sooOoo cool if he can light fires without tech assistance;)

WE CONSERVATIVE X-TIAN SCOUT CUBS LEARNED TO RUB STICKS TOGETHER AND MAKE FIRE WHEN WE WERE 12 YEARS OLD !!!

you fool(s), making fire is civ by any method. true anti-civ people don't make fire

This but unironically. Spears and other hunting implements are tools for domination over nature too

Yes, true anticiv anarchists have found a way to TRANS-form their own bodies so they can hibernate beneath snow-covered mounds of straw and leaves (i.e. fly/drive to somewhere down south, lol)!

critique (dammit, i forgot her name) where the source of all evil was meat, men, and controlled fire? She was also really into local bio-restoration projects, and I haven't seen her here in years.

Lol, i get your joke, to me it's funny how people who engage in anti-civ just keeping wanting to find where everything went wrong...good luck with that...

"I am a dummy with a bad memory and inability to use search engines that will always attempt to discredit and infantilize women who are smarter than me and have no understanding of the things I have seething ressentiment about. Please don't challenge the statue quo."

my ability to think of words, and shaming people for asking questions and having difficulty with remembering something seems like a really odd addition to anarchist ideology. If i had typed that comment i made above into google, it probably wouldn't have given me anything useful right away. So, i decided to just ask the question, and apparently anarchists are too damn smart to ask questions.

i'm also shaming you. experience shame! pour that shit on your sandwich and throw that back!

(we both know you don't feel shame, you pants-on-fire, fukin liar lol)

Are you talking about Ria del Montana of the Vegan Primitivist blog? No, I'm not her, I thought she said some interesting things though. Also I don't think she thought the source of evil was all men, that's super dishonest... Her idea was that men monopolized on hunting and formed a sort of racket the same way states do.

I agree with your last point though. Much like Zerzan (maybe someone else did it before him) they all try to find out what caused the Fall from Eden and I find this super annoying. Like I dunno man maybe people decided their ways of life were shit and depriving and decided to change it up a little.

"It's tOotally useless to discover the origin of a problem when trying to fix a problem, stupid Garden of Eden cucks!!!"

Me personally? The Garden of Eden was the primordial soup. No more multicellular tyranny.

it's funny, all i have to do to get people to hurl a baseless accusation at me is criticize one of the cult philsophers. LOL, i thought she made some good points as well, but to me the shifting of attack goal posts to controlled fire and hunting seems a little strange...especially since neither of those things is inherent to "civilization"...but inherent to survival for people living in certain places on earth. Like...imagine trying to be a vegan eskimo...how do HGs killing animals for food really have anything to do with "civilization"? What's the deal with over-philosophizing diet for modern day people? I also thought it was strange that she was denying that people are omnivores by default, and attributing some different label to people that better suits her vegan ideology.

Don't you see the similarities between the type of logic she was using in her critique with trying find the source of evil? This in my opinion is the natural consequence of trying to string together a bullshit philosophy without really worry about how vague your word choices are, or even the accuracy of your claims.

Look deeper into methodology. You say --
"shifting of attack goal posts to controlled fire and hunting seems a little strange...especially since neither of those things is inherent to "civilization"...but inherent to survival for people living in certain places on earth."
Controlled fire and hunting = Search and destroy mission in an Apache helicopter.
Read some books or watch Black Hawk Down.

I can just blanket equate human behavior in some way...there are similarities...there are differenes...

Hunting is like commanding a helocopter...hunting is not like commanding a helicopter...they are ideas with applications.

i don't get what you are trying to prove, it makes absolutely no sense. You are using anarchist news to give out orders, good luck with that.

Aiming a {rock, spear, arrow, gun} whilst {walking, on horseback, driving a car, flying in a helicopter} and hunting for {rabbits, buffalo, goats, humans} has various names like {stalking, sniping, slaughtering, murdering, soldiering} but is still hunting.
Just like lighting a cigarette, having a bong, frying an egg, bbq, molotov cocktailing, firing a gun, dropping a bomb is all fire.

Things is wrong because its related to civilization and my happyness/survival just doesn't matter. That's anarcho-veganism for you. If they are right, then the raw food diet is actually the superior moral diet.

I don't think Ria is a cult philosopher. You couldn't even remember her name, anyway,

> Like...imagine trying to be a vegan eskimo

The point is that every human outside the East Africa/South Africa range is a colonizer. The ecological niche for humans is forest edge foragers, we evolved from animals that ate primarily roots, fruits, nuts, leaves, etc as opposed to meat. I don't remember if she phrases this as "civilization", in any case it's a prelude to civilization in the same way as agriculture.

"every human outside of ______ is a _______"

don't even know what to say in response to such a sloppy and empty analysis.

"The ecological niche for humans is forest edge foragers, we evolved from animals that ate primarily roots, fruits, nuts, leaves, etc as opposed to meat."

I think the key take away from such a statement is "evolved from" versus what humans have actually done and do. It really is totally pointless for me to keep worrying about "the ecological niche" for humans, it doesn't have any bearing on whatever I have at my disposal, and what was at the disposal for people who just didn't have the resources to be vegan...or just don't want to for whatever reason.

And as far as ria is concerned...if people are attacking me for misinterpreting her strange philosophy, then to me that is cult like. You have the follower who disseminates the ideas, and then the sympathizers who reinforce the validity of the ideas. It's a pretty loose way to use english, but I don't care. John Zerzan also kinda resembles a cult leader loosely, because there's this whole lifestyle and political philosophy based around his ideas.

I wouldn't really call it empty analysis, just pointing out that without tools of any kind humanity's influence on the natural world would be severely limited. Anyway yeah it's a strange philisophy to me along with most other versions of anti-tech & anprim, namely that people would love to cooperate with each other to raise their living standards even w/o hierarchy and this is not necessarily civilized.

Yep, humans would have become extinct if not for the opposite thumb and a club to hold with it, cos face it, physically we are inferior in strength, agility, speed and pleasing appearance whilst naked.

And the opposing thumbs also gave the hominid species seculism in their clan values, call it primitive liberalism, it still retained elements of equity based organisation and codes of behavior, proto-ethical rules of conduct, like how hard you used your club and what part of the anatomy you speared.

Irregardless of having opposable thumbs, one could still be a vegetarian and become a democratically elected dictator like Hitler?

"Irregardless"?! Seriously?! Even more idiotic that calling the Wobblies the "International Workers of the World"; just because people keep saying it doesn't make it more real.

Why the anthropocentric fixation, a buffalo or alpha male wolf is a democratically selected dictator. Within herding species, the weak often look for a ruthless strong leader to make decisions and fight battles for them.
Only the lone individualist could be the only real liberated creature roaming the land.

ugh. what a t errible interpretation of pack dynamics.

the opposite thumb? surely you mean opposable. asking for a friend.

Ooops, yes, opposable, forgive my primitivist vocabulary.thumbs I've adopted whilst living in their vicinity for so long!

I swear I've seen the word "ressentiment" used at least 15 times in past 24 hours on here. Do y'all know what that even means?

It'sva psychological mindset whereby a person with "ressentiment " compares their deficient living conditions with another person (or class) who have better conditions or social assets and resents this inequality and though it resembles envy, this is different, it seethes inside obsessively and continuously and dominates that person's whole seething mood filled with this "ressentiment" :D

So they're just using it as a fancy word replacement for envy, since clearly everyone here has the same material conditions (middle class person w/ internet access)? They're accusing people of being jealous of John fucking Zerzan lol?

Is not even that... Some fake-ass Artiste decided to call it "ressentiment" as resentment already exists in the English language, but using the French version of it -that has the exact same definition if these phony intellectuals knew the language- just made it sound sassier and... less condescending for the anarchoid East Bay bookfair nihilist butterflies to ASSess.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU STUPID FUCKING MOUTH-BREATHERS. IT'S NIETZSCHE. NIETZSCHE!
THE MODERATORS ARE TO BLAME FOR ALL YOUR IGNORANCE AND SEETHING RESSENTIMENT FOR DELETING COMMENTS THAT TOLD YOU TO READ NEECH! DOES NOBODY READ ANY MORE??!?!?
FUCKING SHIT!

I just fluttered by and saw this comment and akshually it's spelled like that because of Nietzsche (he left it in the French).

Other ppl on here have Internet access?! Now I'm the one seething with ressentiment!

is there a word for reverse-ressentiment... or like condescendingly delving into comfy cowardice for all the privilege granted to you by some fortunate social setting, abilities and traits, pouting at others for their tiniest hints of criticism of how you didn't built this palace by yourself; but rather by, yes, fortune, like your parent's trust funds?

OooooooooooOooooooo.... Likely no such word in US English!

Yes, it's called stoicism, accepting one's fate with a resolute calmness in the face of hardship or loss. No room for enviousness moods and tantrums. One's material wealth or health are neither good nor evil, it's what one does with these fortunate conditions which decide one's virtue and wellbeing, a favourite amongst genuine individualists.

Yes yes... Amor Fati n such n such. Best morality to go by, for me as well.

But that's no reason to be so knee-jerk condescending about ANYONE hating the conditions being forced upon them by a society that disregards their own situation.

Like my dad had a really hard time getting good jobs due to his disabilitiy. To be dismissing his grievances as just mere "ressentiment" sounds like some major privileged asshole's view on "life"... from one who had the FORTUNE of being granted privileges due to abilities he didn't acquire through any Will to Power.

Nietzsche is *not* the final and total deus ex machina of mankind, you know...

Damn. Thanks for telling us all that stoicism sucks such ass. Might as well let authority walk all over your face.

Interesting question. Maybe privilege? At least, that's kind of how the word tends to mean today.

On the other hand, ressentiment is not an English word, and words are being borrowed from other languages all the time so... not quite sure that you're proving the point you seem to think you're proving.

Stoic dude jumping in here just to point out that "English language" is largely comprised of Latin, Greek, Germanic, Old Wextern European words and ttech. derived terminologies ;)

people who say other people have resentment are victim blamers!

NooOoo, there can be nO complaining at all. Just move on, don't brood and seeth, just get on with life as your own autonomous mindful self.

It started with early man when he saw how easily lightening started fires in the wild and was envious of how easily the sky god lit them, and he seethed with ressentiment of the sky god, and offered sacrifices so that he would make lightening strikes close to where he lived so he could have roast meat instead of raw meat to eat, and this seething ressentiment for gods was transferred to the tribe in the next valley who had industrialized via knowledge into rubbing sticks together to make fire, and he traded his daughter to the chief of that tribe to learn the esoteric secret from their shaman, and his seething ceased when he created his own fire, hail Neanderthal!

The solution to ressentiment is to be both warrior and priest like Kwai Chang Caine so you have the best of both worlds; revaluation and social dominance.

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