Anews podcast - episode 68

  • Posted on: 17 June 2018
  • By: thecollective

From Anews Podcast

Welcome to the anews podcast. This is episode 68 for June 15, 2018. This podcast covers anarchist activity, ideas, and conversations from the previous week.

Download here: https://podcast.anarchistnews.org/episodes/anewse68.mp3

This podcast is the effort of many people. This episode was
* sound edited by Rocinante
* “The Praxis of Pragmatics, Part 2” by SUDS
* Guest editorial “Why Anarchists are not Architects” by Julian Langer
* Thanks to Aragorn! and rfa for topic of the week discussion
* and this week we added a short poem at the end by Triviabot
* The music is 1. The Spectacle, “Sleepwalking” 2. Screaming Females, “Wild” 3. Los Rakas, “Magia” 4. Wolves and the Radio, “Waves”
* Contact us at podcast@anarchistnews.org

To learn more
Introduction to anarchism: http://anarchy101.org
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News and up to the minute commentary: https://anarchistnews.org

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"Julian Langer fights back!" JZ, please respond to JL's evidence. It's amazing how creative people can be with stringing 26 letters together in various forms. Some make a bowl, some make a vase, some make an abstract and all from the same piece of clay. The piece on communication was worth listening to. I couldn't hear A! in his section, real low sound his end? Well read by both readers this week, not much stalling, kept the flow which is always appreciated.

If JZ can't flippantly dismiss something, he won't respond. Broken record.

Both editorial's were excellent! Especially the one about architects. I would love it if they write a similar piece about watchmakers and linear Time's claims to mechanize the Cosmos.

I hope you do write one about this. if you bring it to our IRC I'd be happy to give you feedback on it, too, and would definitely read it on the podcast if it's good :)

I stumble amid the cracks in the pavement whereupon the gauntlet lands....

Would SUDS say the problem we have is language itself? Has language got a literal life of its own? Language has used humans to BE and is now seeking its future in AI? Are non-humans used by language or do they use sounds instead? Is language a parasitic dominating entity? Are humans using language or is the language using us, controlling us, fooling us, playing with us and is getting ready to dump us? I really enjoyed listening to the measured delivery too.

i'm sorry i didn't get that can you try grunting and pounding your chest instead? like all tech, it's both a curse and a blessing

Is language comparable to technology, tho? Not sure. When we mean technology, I think it's referring to the arts and techniques of mastering our handling of things around us.

I guess there could be better ways to define it if you fetch me some pedantic hair-splitter out of academia (or, worse, pretend-academia), tho I'm sure this will always imply a kind of structuring of relationships with non-beings, and the knowledge accumulated around it.

When talking about language, we're rather referring to an ever-evolving culture of interacting with other people of a same species. Language isn't as much a curse than it is a blessing, unlike technology which can be equally either.

Like, how can you have consensual sex with someone without a good-enough level of linguistic interaction? What signs allow you to determine the treshold is sufficient? Can I just get laid with women that turn me on, without using any sort of language (even if non-verbal)? That'd be relations without language, but that'd also be nothing else than rape.

So no, not really a curse... unless you imply that humans should be "free" to rape others at will, as long as they can.

But it sure is a pain in the ass for those who have a hard time finding the right words to say to a person in order to get cosy with them (i.e. mastery of language for specific uses). Which tests the limits of what is a good linguistic negociations Vs manipulation, especially when it comes to consensual intercourses. Are some "Chads" out there really just using ruse on girls in order to get laid, or they're really just mindlessly "being themselves" and checking consent? Perhaps there is a kind of technology in ruse (in attempting to manipulate "non-reactive matter"), whereas language is still just negociating meaning.

Language, fundamentally (and not just originally, according to some anthropologists... this can be observed through our CURRENT interactions with others) emerges as a process of NEGOCIATING MEANING with other conscious, reactive beings. That's why in IT they're using the term "languages" for things like Perl, C++ and whatever, because that's what they're doing, tho electron machines like computers are not beings in the proper sense, just simulacra of reactive beings, i.e. artificial intelligence. The technology would be otherwise the techniques of manipulating the rest of the stuff... like the RAM or the physical components.

Okay so now I feel I'm being posssessed by the spirit of Emile so I should stop. ;-P

How do you explain the time in 11th grade a class mate pulled me into a bathroom and gave me head

To get laid, just look clean and be funny. We don't need an essay on language Cassanova. There's a reason why it's refered to as "game". There's a reason why we have fuckboiss and girls.

Bottom line though is I'm sure consent can be non-verbal. So can non-consent a la a kick to the balls!

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"Is language comparable to technology, tho?"
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If "technology" is understood to mean a set of prefabricated tools for accomplishing certain desired ends that also engenders certain (often unintended) social/cultural consequences, then I would argue that, yes, language is a type of technology.

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"I guess there could be better ways to define it if you fetch me some pedantic hair-splitter out of academia (or, worse, pretend-academia)..."
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Otherwise known as a smart person? No, we wouldn't want that, would we? Never let a petty thing like actual intelligence interfere with your anarchy, I always say!

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"When talking about language, we're rather referring to an ever-evolving culture of interacting with other people of a same species."
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How is that not also a description of technology?

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"Language isn't as much a curse than it is a blessing, unlike technology which can be equally either."
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How could you even quantify the extent to which language is a blessing rather than a curse? Anyone who has ever found themselves at a loss for words to communicate the intensity of raw human emotion knows that language can be a curse just as easily as any other type of technology. Poets often come close to communicating such intensity but, even this case, words tend to prove woefully inadequate. And this is to say nothing of instances in which language is used to deceive, manipulate, or rile people up into a state of hysteria. (Just look at the effect that Hitler's public orations had on the German people during the 1930s and then tell me that that isn't a case of language functioning as a curse.)

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"Like, how can you have consensual sex with someone without a good enough level of linguistic communicaton?"
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As I suspect any woman who has ever voluntarily slept with a man who talked a good game at first but later cast her aside, demeaned her, abused her, or otherwise mistreated her could attest to, words in themselves are not always an indicator of honourable intentions. Nonverbal communication has just as much of a role to play in sexual consent as does verbal communication. It is through such things as gesture, posture, facial expression, the softness of your gaze, and your overall demeanor that intentions are communicated - not just through your words. Whether and to what extent these nonverbal 'signs' fall within the realm of 'language' is open for debate, but they're certainly indispensible to interpersonal communication, the production of eroticism, and informed sexual consent.

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"Perhaps there is a kind of technology in ruse (in attempting to manipulate "non-reactive matter"), whereas language is still just negotiating meaning."
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Perhaps there's just as much 'technology' involved in being honest about your intentions as there is in trying to deceive someone.

**As for that last paragraph, you kind of lost me there. Not really sure what computer programming has to do with everything that preceded it.

your response is pathetic. at least parts of it.

academic elitism == intelligence? ...NOT
"ever-evolving culture of interacting with other people of a same species" == technology? ...NOT

You haven't convinced me. Maybe if you say "not" in capslock a few more times, I might recant my statements. (I wouldn't count on it though.)

Aziz Ansari. He had verbal consent, but ignored when consent was withdrawn during the sex act via nonverbal communication, and he wound up basically assaulting someone. Really blows that meaningless sex is so dangerous.

Because that it what you get from technology...extraction!

lol, language is a blessing, not tech.

Pollution's not also coming from the extractive industry, even if that's a principal cause.

do you guys poop in a toilet
have you ever taken antibiotics
whats the longest youve gone without a hot shower
do you know how to cook without a kitchen

just stfu already we all know tech has benefits

I have gone months without anything on that list. I try to avoid antibiotics, they are a last resort for me though and I have used them in the past.

Arguing the merits of tech seems kind of silly. As if nearly all of the human population has a choice. Classic barebones "cold, brutish, and short" comparison.

Sorry, your fucking pigeon never arrived, can't respond

excuse me while i fire up the yacht

My pigeon arrived it said " FUCK y'all rich fucking yacht owners you've never done a days work the palms of your hands are as soft as the skin on a baby's ass "

"never done a days work the palms of your hands are as soft as the skin on a baby's ass "

Sounds fantastic!!!

Bob Black knows all about not working, which means you don't have to be rich to have soft hands even when handling swine ;)

Or machineolgy as I prefer to call it is the accelerating facilitated logic along with the power apparatuses. There's no reason why anarchic relations can't appropriate what has been in different ways and maintain some aspects of industrial machineology.

Didja ever pooped in the woods?

Didja ever wonder how humans lived for at least 100,000 years without antibiotics?

What's thre longest time you spent without caring about your social image?

Ever lived outside the subservience of a landlord through a lease?

Also, are you an idiot?

Tell you what, go and have your shit and shower and live on the tar sands, see how you like technology then? Why do you go down the mines in the Congo if you love your tech so much you @#$&!!

As much as I loath modern inorganic life, I've found that even my bonsai tree can transport me to a rainforest, though I am enclosed within a concrete cell. Hearten up prisoner of the machine and look deap within for the source of life.,.

is it accurate to say you are amalgamating ant-civ with permaculture? how do you respond to the comments made about you and what of knot-weed and invasive species in general?

dance monkey dance!!
i'm not in a conversation with you, i merely want to poke you and watch you jig!

What your piece has made me focus on is how dull much conversation can be with the general public. There is hardly anything there. This lack of critical thinking generally has had the impact of me withdrawing from bothering. It is somewhat akin to mainstream media: vacuous. Television and, to a less extent radio, is so dull. I don't buy newspapers. I haven't had a television for a number of years now and I'm listening more and more to instrumental classical music stations. I tend to spend more and more time outside watching little wildlife there is left in Britain. The UK has a huge obesity epidemic too. So, I tend to agree with you in that there has been a dumbing down, if you will, certainly within Britain.

Sooo, would you regard yourself as an incel with a low threshold for boredom?

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