Anarchy Radio 09-25-2018

  • Posted on: 25 September 2018
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Why so much tech talk on Anarchy Radio?

Because talking about how bad stuff is week in and week out masks the fact that there's nothing we can do about it but as long as we keep talking we're not nihilists, lather, rinse, repeat.

Also helps to stay relevant in case the press comes fishing for that JZ soundbite.

the link works but the episode doesn't run

it's working here...

Also helps to stay relevant...

So pretty much the exact same reasons this site produces a scripted "news" podcast that reads excerpts of whatever gets posted here? Twitter feed, IRC, Facebook, Reddit, LBC... use whatever you can to reach the masses (or your "crew") and "stay relevant" while ignoring technology flattening all of life. But at least you produce those thoughtful TOTWs to keep us so inspired! I'm glad to hear that you enjoy getting paid to work through all those emails and texts while you're in your pajamas. Ain't technology wonderful?!?!

the irony that leaving this trolling message in defense of JZ is another example of technology flattening life by turning most discourse into anonymous mean-spirited jabs at one's opponents without any further substance is probably lost on the original poster

LOL - you think @news people get paid? Bitter moron...

'fighting nature.' Isn't controlled use of fire (extending our capability of energy use) the most costly fight humans have fought against nature? What about humans 'needing' a second skin such as wearing buckskin: isn't that at odds with nature? I disagree with JZ that we live in a technological society; Layla AbdelRahim claiming we live in a predatory (mindset) society with technology being a manifestation of that predatory mindset.

near Barbados! Come back SUDS.

to get people to call in. tired shockjock tactics. #sad

How can anyone live their life devoted to doom and gloom? He must wait each week and every week for articles etc which form his pile of doom and gloom which he then peddles over the airwaves. Week and week he does this, month after month he has done this, year after year he has done this with pretty much the same format with the same conclusions! He doesn't appear to seek out avenues which may get him a wider audience; he waits for people to come to him, like a slowly dripping tap, he may have a saucer half-full of cumulative drips after all the years he has put into being King of Anarcho-Primitivism. Is he holding out in the belief that someday soon there will be a gush from the tap and his saucer will be overflowing? He begs for calls ffs. Why? Few call the show because JZ will not engage in any dialogue that contravenes the JZ message. 5 - 10 minutes all you get on the air if he feels so inclined, claiming he has a show to broadcast...the same old tired doom and gloom he broadcasts every week! Where did this guy JZ get stuck? Surely, he can't get fired-up delivering the same old messages week after week? Maybe this is why JZ declined to appear on The Brilliant because Aragorn! may have asked such questions and JZ couldn't have that! JZ even has to gall to call out Anarchist News/Aragorn! regarding 325nostate and their doxxing. John, you could have gone on The Brilliant and had a debate/discussion with Aragorn! about Anarchist News, egoism, ITS, nihilism, anarcho-primitivism, Rotn (laughing at you on The Brilliant), Bellamy (Corrosive Consciousness) etc. You didn't. You don't mention this on your show: the fact Aragorn! invited you on and you turned him down!. No doubt JZ will read this and call out from his armchair: " Alice, Alice, come here! and read this comment about me on ANews....Jeez (sniggers to himself)" That about sums you up as of right now.

If the doom and gloom bothers you so much maybe go to your safe space and have a good cry. Instead of ad homs and personal attacks, why don't you try engaging with what JZ is saying?

All this JZ Derangement Syndrome is fascinating to read.

I only come to Anews for the Anarchy Radio comments

Why don't you professional JZ whiners email him and setup a call ahead of the show? That way you don't have to hide behind the troll calls, the "he cut me off" complaints and the snarky comments via the A-News podcast and tags here. It can be an agreed to conversation of a specific length on a specific topic, like JZ does with other guests.

Yeah, yeah... he turned Aragorn down, so what? That doesn't mean YOU can't have a conversation with him. Would you rather come here and post a few lines or a paragraph about what a fool he is? The more you do that, the more it shows who the foolish really are.

and The Brilliant but then declines Aragorn! invitation... that's the point. So why does JZ goad ANews collective to 'retaliate' by phoning the show? They know he is trying to use them for his own ends as his show is flagging under the weight of the weekly doom and gloom.

The Brilliant is a lot of goading of JZ and KT. JZ is on every week. Surely you can arrange at least conversation to get in some Q&A. His show happens every week, unlike the Brilliant. Why is this hard?

Because it's just easier to bitch and moan, sling mud, and gossip about celebrity anarchists.

Don't forget pointless! Also a sad reflection of how too many of us are spending our time! Hooray!

Give me a break. Bellamy wrote 150+ pages engaging with JZ (and KT) with exhaustive footnotes and systematic arguments - his response was to weirdly promulgate bullshit gossip and claim he hasn't read the book. A! asked him to have an hour-long, one-on-one discussion - JZ declined with a vague excuse about how it would get heated. Your response is to say people should call his show for some less-than-five-minute gabbing? Fundamentally unserious. Why doesn't JZ respond in writing? Why doesn't JZ go on the show? Because he prefers the #safespace of his controlled bad-news show, and so he won't.

Give me a fucking break. Almost nobody has read Bellamy's book. It's difficult to find, either unavailable or sold out. Bellamy himself admitted he went a bit overboard with the tone of his critique. So why should anyone else take his book seriously then?

JZ won't talk with A! or Bellamy...boo hoo! That must mean A! and Bellamy win! (High five!). Welcome to high school.

Calm down, Kevin. Don't let them get to you. Just remember the lesson of the Great Owl.

My 22:59 comment was me, but I'm not Kevin. Thank you for the advice anyway, JZ. That was a hoot !

Does anyone else pick up the vibe that we are witnessing the death throes of a 90s movement, and its like its a whole lot of people trying to tell a senile and deaf old relative or boxer that its time to hang up the gloves and throw the towel in, that technology has won and it will never go away, and that Neo-Luddites have lost the script?

If that's your conclusion, then what you're saying is all is lost and anarchy is a non-starter. Because all modern technology requires hierarchy and authority to get made.

Hail Victory! Hail Trump!

Hail the Corporate Police State!

No, there is the option of a return to 19th Century tech and clans of individualist anarchs keeping the pure anarchy idea alive. Basically no arranged discussions to discuss social power allocations or divisions and levels of management.

You think 19th century tech is not created through authoritarian means? (17:45) Wow.

Well the hot air technology such as balloon powered vehicles wasn't as far as I know, nor egg-beaters, horse drawn ploughs, water wheels for mills, wind-mills, carts etc. What were you thinking I meant?

ROTLMAO! How do you think the balloons got made? The baskets? The gas ? Who made the metal for the egg beaters? Who made the clothing in the 19th century? Did all of these things from from the sky? No they were made in factories and mines. How were the factories and mines organized? Why did people work in factories and mines in the first place? Was it fun? Did they make decisions collectively? Why did people do horrible jobs? Because they had no choice, they had to earn something called money.

You just need to think through things more deeply.

The first balloons were made out of silk, a group of individuals could spin and weave the fabric. Baskets can be plaited likewise, hemp rope, steel made by clans of family blacksmiths, etc etc, You need to have a more positive creative imagination about things and life in general, its not all a " nasty capitalist gonna exploit me around every corner " sort of world out there mkay ;)

Uh ... WRONG. That's literally the world now.

Steel is made from iron, which has to be mined from the ground in sufficient quantities. It then has to be smelted in blast furnaces to remove impurities. You need hierarchical authoritarian organization to scale up production to make enough steel. You need to build facilities. It probably requires more than one or two families to accomplish. What if you can't find enough people who feel like doing all this?

I've known of extended families numbering in the 100s, who made up large clans. You are sooo negative and boring, I laugh at the capitalists, every morning when I wake up I say NOOO YOU WILL NOT TELL ME WHAT TO DO OR SAY. I SHALL GATHER A HORDE OF MY STRONG RELATIVES AND GATHER ORE AND HAVE BELLOWS PUMPING OXYGEN INTO HARDWOOD CLAY FURNACES HOLLOWED OUT OF CLAY BEDS AND POUND AND HEAT THE INGOT INTO IMAGINATIVE AND UNBORING SHAPES, AFTER MY COFFEE THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!! ONLY THE BOLD AND STRONG CREATIVE ONES SURVIVE THE EXISTENT !!

OR you're just a troll?

Oh noooo, I'm a leftist hipster activist with 2,000 Facebook comrades fighting against the fascist troll army of nihilists who want to take away my global totalitarian internet culture and return us all to a 19th century were ohhh nooo *gasp* they only had pony express then and people had to sit under trees and have only their own thoughts to think about, oohhh noooo. *swoons*

To be fair JZ is the lone wolf who stuck to his ideas, too jaded to bother engaging with the pomo or emerging neo nihilist gadget cultural explosion. He's compromised slightly by accepting solar powered tech and reshuffled the theoretical division of labor into a voluntary egalitarian compartmentalization of production. Its worth considering these new ideas of his. And the recent news that killer whales are facing extinction due to irrebersible chemical pollution has really brought his prophecies back into the foreground.

HIS FREAKIN MUSIC CHOICE IS MAKES ME SICK ITS TOTAL TAME TRENDY MOOD CRAP FOR LOUNGES AND TRENDY BARS IT MAKES ME SICK THAT NOT EVEN A RAW THRASHING BEAT OR THROATY SCREAMING VOCALS ARE NEVER HEARD ON THIS SOCALLED FREAKIN PRIMITIVIST RADIO SHOW!!!!!
NO WONDER HE HAS NO COMPREHENSION OF TRUE NIHILIST DISCORDANT NONCHROMATIC AUDIO EXPRESSION IN A NON TECHNOLOGICAL AMORAL NONCIV EXISTENT!!!
Makes me wanna puke *BARFS STALE BEER INTO PRIMITIVIST'S AQUARIUM, FISH FLOAT BELLY UP TO SURFACE*

All caps warrior dropping musical truth bombs, forcing us to scurry for cover.

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as well wtf? your own argument is that because bellamy's tone is off, that means that 150 pages are irrelevant? wow.
and if the argument is who is actually trying to engage with ideas and is willing to communicate with others who disagree with them, then yea, bellamy and aragornt! do win. i find it unfrotnuate, myself.

Not irrelevant, just less serious. Don't put words in my mouth. If Bellamy doesn't fully stand behind what he said and the way he said it (except in a general way), then why should anyone else take the book seriously?

Like I said, welcome to high school.

These are literally exactly the sort of logical fallacies Bellamy talks about, dude - dismissing a book based on its tone is CNN/Fox News-level analysis. All he said was that he regretted being a bit too rude, and that he is more open to spirituality than before. If you read the book, that is maybe 2.5% of it - he stands by everything else (I have confirmed this via e-mail with him): AP offers no real praxis, AP is full of logical fallacies and dubious factual claims, AP is dualistic, and so on and so forth. The book is serious and exhaustively documented - he has not backed off of it, that is just JZ evasion.

What logical fallacies? (and don't tell me to hunt down the book and read it. Just name one or two). What dubious factual claims?

JZ's ad hominem goofyness is actually getting traction. Someone saying they regret being a bit nasty and rude obviously does not mean they disavow what they said. This is Pre-K shit.

Still waiting for "logical fallacies" and "dubious factual claims".

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