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"no big happy ending where everyone agrees with us (never mind us agreeing with each other) - an idea that most readers on this site can probably get behind. Most people, even people we love and care for, don’t agree with us, and relationships with people who aren’t anarchists are inevitable in this world. The more complicated question is where do we go from there?"

This really has nothing to do with pan-seccessionism (PS), nor even what Bellamy is proposing. You're doing a disservice to the discussion and attempting to brand Bellamy's proposal which is pretty straight forward: that anarchists should work with far-Right groups to secede from the US and towards that end, enter into mutual agreements for non-aggression and mutual defense, into instead some sort of moralistic question of if anarchists should work with non-anarchists.

Again, what Bellamy is proposing, and this is laid out in the Liberty and Logos show, is that representatives of the various marginal political groups from anarchist to far-Right, that don't like the (current) State secede from it, theoretically causing a collapse of the State or at least some sort of...something. He goes on to argue that these groups should form non-aggression agreements and mutual defense pacts, that way if the National Socialist ethno-state down the way gets attacked by "the State," the Anarch Commune will have their backs. In the episode on PS that is on Bellamy's video-cast, he even talks about Richard Spencer being the arch-type for a representative for the white nationalist movement, that in theory "the anarchists" would sit down at a table with and hash out an agreement.

If at this point you aren't seeing the Ancient Aliens guy meme pop up in your head...

This is completely different from the general notion A-News is presenting that building anarchic relationships or pushing back against the State means that we will work with and interact with people who aren't anarchists, as if this hasn't been the hallmark of modern anarchist activity. For the people at A-News to present Bellamy's ideas as such is just an attempt to justify his strategy. "You're not opposed to talking to your neighbors are you? You're not opposed to working with non-anarchists are you?"

Actually think about what Bellamy is proposing:

1.) Imagine if Bellamy's idea was taken seriously and anarchists put effort into reaching out to the "myriad marginals" that Bellamy mentions on his show; groups the far-Right. Do you think any of the actual movements and communities we work with now would want anything do with us if we did engage in such a project? The abolitionist, prison rebel, and black liberation movements and currents? The Native communities anarchists have spent decades working with? The people anarchists meet everyday doing tenant, labor, community organizing? You think any of these people, who by and large are not anarchist, would want anything to do with us if we were signing "non aggression pacts" and "mutual defense clauses" with neo-Nazis, anti-abortion zealots, and the Alt-Right? Why is this even something that people think is a good idea? Why do they think this strategy is going to create literally more of a critical mass against the State - literally working with people on the far-Right who are obsessed with the State and property, rather that building with other currents already organizing, fighting back, and in resistance to the State, white supremacy, the police, etc? Even if we reject revolution or insurrection as a strategy, wouldn't it then make more sense to work with the currents in society already pushed to the margins of class society to take the next leap, instead of making nice with the local Three Percenters who want to bring back 1776?

2.) Bellamy wants to create mutual defense pacts and agreements between anarchists and the far-Right in order to secede from the US. How does the anarchist movement even all sit down with another movement and make those decisions? Are we electing a spokesperson? It's funny how he and his host are critical of the Zapatistas and Rojava because it's "basically Communist," but somehow we're supposed to believe it'll be totally chill for all the anarchists to be represented by...some group...that sits down and hammers out agreements with...Nazis?

3.) It's ironic that people who have spent the majority of their political lives attacking 'activism' and 'mass organizing' really seem into a numbers game. Bellamy tells us that the only way that the State will collapse is that anarchists need to work with the far-Right to secede - but even just based on numbers, why is putting our faith in working with the far-Right a better strategy than trying to organize and intervene within the tensions of industrial class society? Like seriously, how big are the groups on the far-Right? Putting aside how stupid it would be to 'work' with groups from the Oath Keepers to the National Socialist Movement, these groups are still pretty small. The idea, even from a standpoint of numbers and strategy, doesn't even make sense.

4.) Imagine if somehow anarchists actually agreed to "mutual defense pacts" with the far-Right. Does that mean the next time the Alt-Right has a tiki torch march and tries to attack students holding a protest or some liberals in a church we show up to do security to protect the Nazis? We have to protect the KKK from the police? Work with far-Right vigiliantees to dismantle Native blockades? This is literally the logic that Bellamy is proposing. After all, he refers to these people as "dissidents."

5.) How would a PS movement that essentially creates more States/ethno-states but preferable to just the "Leviathan" state? Bellamy's idea sounds fucking horrible and pretty much like the world we have now. ISIS controls this territory, neo-Nazis over here, anarchists have this place, maybe an-capistan over here - and we all have "mutual defense pacts" against the "bad State?" So stupid. An alternative would be strengthening and expanding the zones of autonomy that already exist.

6.) Earth to Bellamy, 99% of the far-Right wants nothing to do with you and if you think in a post-PS world (whatever that means) they wouldn't hesitate to destroy us to take our shit, "mutual defense pact" or not, you're an idiot. Most current far-Right organizations want to take over the existing State anyway. Others state plainly that they will fight for more "living space." The Turner Diaries, which is about people waging a guerilla war against a "globalist State," ends by the new State literally nuking the rest of the non-white world, after having slaughtered all the "communists" and "race traitors." People like Matthew Heimbach talk about murdering ever Jew and leaving not one left alive. You really think they are gonna wanna participate in your autonomous-Balkanization project? Even within the accelerationist, 'burn it all down' groups, they still ultimately want an authoritarian, Hitlerian national socialist State.

7.) It has to be pointed out, but isn't it ironic that the crowd that would never be caught dead engaging in "coalition building" or working with Left groups is calling for a model UN with people who want to turn most of us into lamp shades? If a critique of Left Unity means anything to anarchists, and it does, then it should also hold just as much water, if not more, for working with far-Right groups. DER DER.

8.) There's literally projects focused around autonomy and building resiliency against the current nightmare popping up everywhere. From people squatting buildings, forming networks of gardens, and creating a DIY internet in Detroit, everything that groups like Cooperation Jackson are doing, what's happening in Puerto Rico with the growth of popular assemblies, everything that is popping off in Canada...the idea that there aren't non-anarchists having similar conversations and doing similar things is a fallacy and that instead we should actively work to build bridges with the far-Right is just straight up dumb ass shit and I think everyone knows it no matter how much you wanna play edge lord on the internet. The idea that the holy crusaders of the Beautiful Idea from da big bawd weft are defending this racist garbage is just fucking sad.