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You know what's fascinating to me is, the social distance method? Sure, it "flattens" the curve. But it also results in a higher area under the curve, even if that curve is flat. That means more people die. Bear with me.

When you socially isolate the way most people do, in practice, you are reducing your immune capacity. not only limiting your exercise and reducing nutrition quality, but also reducing exposure to pathogens which might give immunity, and increasing exposure to toxins and practices which immunosuppress (cleaning agents, wearing masks incorrectly/too long, needless consumption of OTC remedies which make SARS worsen).

You can be aware of this and limit it, but epidemiologically this is still going to be a factor on the overall disease progression through that society, making it more deadly. And there are aspects of social distancing which are inherently going to lower immunity and raise the area under the curve: specifically, the reduction of social contact, which allows for less immunity building and sharing within a population, and worsens mental health outcomes which directly impact immunity.

If you had a larger hospital capacity, built by a society which planned in advance for the consequences of globalized/climate changed world, there would be no reason to "flatten the curve". The only benefit that social distancing has, is to delay the number of cases that go into the hospital so they don't get over capacity and forced to deny care to new cases, resulting in most of those new patients (whether they are from car accidents, coronavirus, or anything else) dying while waiting for care. So this distancing does cause deaths to be reduced in our hellscape timeline, but crucially only because society chose to create an utterly inefficient and inadequate system to handle this type of problem. It didn't have to be this way, and we can change it in the future quite feasibly.

It's kind of frustrating to see the "woke" lib crowd blaming average people for not conforming to these ridiculous new behavioral norms, instead of the material conditions which have necessitate this authoritarian dystopia of mandatory curfews. They seem to just uncritically accept whatever the government agencies say as some immutable reality, rather than something shaped by institutions and relationships of social power. So you'll never see most of the people calling out the healthcare system as the main problem, it's always the zoomers on spring break or lazy millenials or burnout, selfish Xers or reactionary boomers or....whatever insult directed at normal/average people is most satisfying in the moment they write the tweet.

Another weird thing going on lately? CDC of USA is saying "dont wear masks, theres no known benefit". Simultaneously you'll see info on their website saying "we have no idea how many people are asymptomatic or how that contributes to Covid-19 spreading through the population, lol no evidence yet -shrug-".

If they made enough fucking masks they would be telling everyone to wear one. Same with the tests. Instead, only the rich and the health professionals "should" get them, they're having regular ass people drop off handmade, DIY N-95 masks at hospitals right now.

(edit: small aside on masks, if there was a push to have everyone wear them, there should also be information on how to use them correctly too. The fact that there isn't a push to generalize mask use, and as a result there is not a push to educate people on mask use, has resulted in me having to let several people know they are literally wearing the fuckers upside down, or otherwise incorrectly, because they've never had to use one before. Mask overuse and incorrect use also creates the conditions for bacterial growth on the mask's fibrous surfaces, which you then breathe in and it directly fucks up your immune system, making you ironically more vulnerable to other infections like COVID-19. So if we had a general mask directive, which actually educated people on how to do it, we would have substantially less transmissibility that I bet you could measure epidemiologically if you had a control group and a treatment group)

And people think these organizations are primarily guided by science! Nope, it really is all about the material conditions and social relationships, baby. It would be funny if we weren't gonna see so much needless death handwaved as "a natural disaster" or the result of "reckless socializing" instead of placed at the feet of our corrupt and utterly feckless socioeconomic elites. SMH

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A lot of that was my own analysis, because everything you see in the news is about the importance of social distancing. Which, again, in our context is 100% the only option at this point to reduce death. But it didn't have to be that way, is my point, and you can clearly see how this will negatively impact immune response over a population.

Let's discuss my points on immunity:

**Diet**
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6723551/
* https://www.cell.com/immunity/fulltext/S1074-7613(18)30191-2
* https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780857090379/diet-immunity-and-infla...

**Toxic cleaning agents**
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15618582
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25420879
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16109815
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25838260

**Over The Counter Drugs Increasing COVID-19 Adverse Outcomes**
* https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-ma...
* https://www.drugs.com/answers/naproxen-worsen-covid-19-symptoms-3533871....

Above, you can see that while pretty much any drug is going to worsen the underlying condition and people should obviously be encouraged not to take anything, governments are giving conflicting and unhelpful advice to encourage people to *buy* one OTC drug or another. To prop up the market. Search "COVID OTC" on any search engine and you find articles about the *markets* but not the lack of WHO recommendations or people talking about how suppressing immune response is a terrible idea for a deadly virus with no recognized treatments. Utter disregard for human life.

**Immunity & Social Interaction**

This part is the most relevant, because it's inherent to the epidemiology of the social distancing recommendation, and can't really be fundamentally eliminated (but perhaps, ameliorated). Everything else is capitalist nonsense that is the result of our social systems not being designed to handle social distancing.

* https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/B9780120437801500385
* https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1749-6632.200...
* https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037/0022-006X.70.3.537
* https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X1200178X
* https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11481-006-9036-0
* https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/2167702613478594
* https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ecam/2015/926565/
* https://www.koreamed.org/article/0094JKAAN/1999.11.3.526
* https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0898010110368861
* https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/e/9781315806112/chapters/10.4324/978...
* https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0273229711000025
* https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1099800412451312

In short, both physical and psychological "touch" and contact is *crucial* for overall **physical** immune health, especially in people with preexisting psychoemotional distress (all of us under capitalism? Lol)