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hey 11:38. yes, Proudhon was pro-capital, just like Tucker, even though they each referred to themselves as socialists too. Proudhon famously wrote "Property is Theft" but that's only one part of his tripartite analysis; the other two parts were "Property is Impossible" and "Property is Liberty." i know it's hard for many to grasp the dialectical (and in Proudhon's case trilectical) dynamic, but leftism (at least its anticapitalist wing) is not supposed to embrace any kind of property as positive. so unless you have an idiosyncratic understanding of Proudhon's proposals for a People's Bank and production at the level of cottage industry, you would recognize those as fully in keeping with the ideology of a form of capitalism. same with Gillis. you need to find a different kind of condescending insult -- you know, one that contains some truth to provide zing; condescension absolutely requires that you know more about the topic than your target, and clearly this is not the case with you.