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socialism and industrial society are part of the same thing...it doesn't even make any sense to talk about either one without evoking the other one. What I thought was the most interesting about what the latter anon said was this:

"Do you think that all these environment problems are coming from any kind of the technology, not from the political structure?"

i saw it written in black seed a while back that humans have always been cyborgs, they use tools as an extension of their body, so where exactly does one draw the line between tools and technology? I would argue that it's what TK was getting at, that technology is rather a product of mass society. And in the end, the environmental problems come more from the mass consumption of the rich and the industrial infrastructure that sustains them, hence the "political structure" that they were talking about. For example, the US military by itself uses up more fossil fuels than individual americans do.