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the three of you agreeing now about what happened doesn't make your interpretation the only or most correct one, and sur as hell doesn't explain you giving credit to someone who was so terrible.
this is not the place for this fight, so i'll be done now, but your name calling and specious honoring are equally empty and pathetic, as is your podcast, tbh. the three of you agreeing with each other for over an hour... so exciting and transformative.