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Talking about origins doesn’t really matter in the real world, but Ria seems to have experience with tending nature, something most anprims know nothing about, and some want to know about. She’s right to be concerned about what will happen to nature when governments collapse, because at this rate anprims and survivalists will hunt it, exploit it, trash it to death. And then what? Anprims need to learn how to do restoration themselves, not get grants to have some agency do it for them.

Get off the vegan topic and redirect to something that matters.