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Are then street demos something that always need to be defended? I do think that understanding how people at demos can get used for some purpose other than a desire to fight what they originally intended to fight does clarify the said demos. Ideology and the manipulative designs of people are tricky business, are you implying that a narrative has to be perfect in order for it to be useful at all? Seems like you are arguing for the sake of arguing, i don't see why every time your bullshit detector goes a little haywire you have to go off on a tangent about how certain perspectives are "useless", useless or useful for what, for who? I don't really want to be useful unless were talking about people who i actually know or care about.