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the shoddy cut-out font which says "facing autonomy" looks exactly how the voice of the co-host named Zara sounds like

towards the end of the podcast they try to corner Gelderloos into saying "anti-civ bad", but they just made it unnecessarily awkward for him and he answered that Perlman and Indigenous Anarchist Federations are examples of perspectives critical of civilization that are not eco-fascist, nor derivative from primitivism

one can expect as much from the hosts given the title of the program, and of course, the shoddily cut-out title card which looks exactly how Zara's voice sOuNdS liKe