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Manson and Jones were produced by the authoritarian world, and especially in their cases they are offshoots of older religious (i.e. Christian) authoritarianism. There's many, lesser murderous, cases of these around you.

These types don't last long around an-nihils. Gurus are made for family-like tribes, and the docile dog people "need" their gurus to be told where the north is. Sheep need their shephers, and vice-versa. That's how authority works; it's a relationship! I know where the north is, because I look at the science, not the scientists!