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week's presenters of Anarchy Bang of the recent civil disobedience actions in London of ER? There is nothing from them regarding going vegan as a response to climate change.

Going vegan is supposedly a quick way to reduce emissions, positive for the environment, positive in massively reducing clean water usage, of course it's great for the lessening of non-human exploitation and it's great for humans too.

Post Left anarchists versus Left anarchists maybe too simple a way to put it as the post left anarchists would use this framing as a way to avoid answering their lackluster form of their demise as anarchists.

Yes, Nettle, there are times when doing nothing is more productive than doing something and traditional anarchists need to heed that message also.

Bookchin is correct when he calls out primitivists (JZ) in that, as Ria Montana also stated, much decimation of the earth and non-humans was already done, and/or was well on the path of decimation by the time of agriculture and sedentism, let alone industrialism. Controlled use of fire by humans put us firmly on the path to where we are today. Agriculture may well have been a response to the devastation caused by humans?

As Aragorn! and Layla AbdelRahim have both stated, we need a global response if we are to change anything of use and it may be the system cannot be fixed and will have to be left to collapse and what can be salvaged, if anything. Life will go on but will humans be part of that?

Will humans, should we survive, have the capacity for change or we programmed/determined to reapeat how we relate to others and the environment? Will have to give up controlled use of fire for instance?