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even further than that, i was reading how in robert grave's intro to "the greek myths" about the shift to patriarchy from "indigenous" tribes in europe, it must have happened a long time ago. He was relating that event to the knowledge that sexual intercourse leads to women getting pregnant where with many HGs they were overall somewhat clueless about how babies were made. The germanic tribes he spoke of thought women got pregnant by going into rivers until there was some untraceable shift to male-oriented hierarchies. Who knows? All the evidence has shown me that civilization is just an outgrowth of slavery/stratification and intensive agriculture, the old testament is more evidence of how long this stuff has been around...THOUSANDS of years...

The Europeans are only distinct from other people's in terms of the fact that their civilizations were the direct precursor of the more "big tent politik" capitalism where hierarchy is more diffuse and we have things like leftist identity politics, corporate bureaucracies which are increasingly using leftist identity politics...if you look in every other precursor to modern nation states across the world there was/is nationalism, patriarchy, racism...i see de-colonialism as part of the current civilization rather than some departure from it. The native Americans did not invent this thing we refer to as "the indigenous", it probably came out of western academia.