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but it is largely eco-social liberalism with an eye on sustainable civilization which I think is oxymoronic. I think if you gear things towards a retro technic and-and this is the biggy-as long as you don't subsidize a given technology what you could see via solarpunk is what could be called an emergent dark age production process. As long as you avoid things like institutional building(this is where the critique of education comes in) and techno subsidies you could see something like what John Michael Greer talks about in regards to an ecotechnological retrofuture with pan polymorphic anarchic characteristics. It's growth and scale that you want to avoid.