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i still very much like wolfi's early articulation from "destroy civilization?" (wd 3, 3):

… a civilized society is one comprised of the state, property, religion (or in modern societies, ideology), law, the patriarchal family, commodity exchange, class rule — everything we, as anarchists, oppose.

To put it another way, what all civilized societies have in common is the systematic expropriation of the lives of those who live within them. The critique of domestication (with any moral underpinnings removed) provides a useful tool for understanding this. What is domestication, if not the expropriation of the life of a being by another who then exploits that life for her or his own purposes? Civilization is thus the systematic and institutionalized domestication of the vast majority of people in a society by the few who are served by the network of domination.

and find it a great ground from which to have these conversations and all the joyful things that come from having these conversations.

regarding "what model do you base a better human world on?" i think pwz said it best: know yourselves – be infertile, and let the earth be silent after you.