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What's the concrete target here? Do you think civilization is just a product of production and extraction? That's part of it but it's also driven by manifold desires, attachments and excesses that are not directly meant to be civilized. Hell some anarchist desires are part of this. Do you not figure how much of contemporary desires are connected to the structure of fossil fuels for instance. It's completely integrated into BILLIONS of peoples lives. You don't fight back something like this. You tend to your own and and do what you can plain and simple.

Again I will say that PK at least does the first step in a thousand mile journey better then public radio wave whining JZ does who still lives by hippy dippy hope nonsense.