Anarcho-capitalism and the TRUTH about Michael Malice

From ChillGoblin

This video answers the age old question, what the H is going on with this guy Michael Malice? Is he an anarchist? Why not? Also, could there be a largely unrelated Kropotkin- themed game show in the middle of the video please?

Thanks to everyone who helped me with this! Check out all these great channels:

Voiceovers:

Anansi’s Library as Michael Malice
Chill Goblin as Peter Kropotkin
Mica (Ponderful) as Ayn Rand
Radical Reviewer as Valley Girl Mikhail Bakunin
Eron (Re-Education) as Murray Rothbard
We’re in Hell as Noam Chomsky

Sources:

If you have any questions about where I got specific information, leave me a question in the comments or DM me on twitter/discord, happy to help you out!

Books:

“The Anarchist Handbook,” organized by Michael Malice

“The Conquest of Bread” by Peter Kropotkin (all passages quoted from this book are also included in the Michael Malice book)

“Ego and Hubris: The Michael Malice Story” by Harvey Pekar

Video:

So many videos. I don’t recommend anyone watch these, ever. But if you’re morbidly curious, here’s a list of the videos I used

The Blair White Project: Michael Malice: Anarchism, Gay History, and North Korea | The Blaire White Project Ep. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOTH1...

Chris Williamson: Michael Malice Explains Why He's An Anarchist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z5Db...

Fox Business: Will there ever be peace in the Middle East?
https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/37175...

The Glenn Beck Podcast: 'Welcome to Anarchism, Glenn' | Michael Malice | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 121
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0lg_...

The Joe Rogan Experience: Anarchism Vs. Statism | Michael Malice & Joe Rogan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XTj...

Lex Fridman podcast: Are the DMT elves real? | Michael Malice and Yaron Brook and Lex Fridman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loSOX...

Lex Fridman podcast: Communism vs Fascism: Which was more evil? | Michael Malice and Yaron Brook and Lex Fridman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKRVp...

Lex Fridman podcast: Michael Malice: Totalitarianism and Anarchy | Lex Fridman Podcast #200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5rNo...

Michael Knowles REACTS to ANARCHY and "The WHITE Pill" | Michael Malice
This one pissed me off because the subtitles are completely broken and I couldn’t search the transcript! Had to watch this bullshit like 4 times for three clips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQlw-...

Michael Malice: Anarchist Audiobook Recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgT3N...

Timcast IRL: Michael Malice Explains His 'Anarchist Handbook' And The Meaning Of Anarchy, EVERYONE Misunderstands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d71c0...

Triggernometry: Michael Malice - The Case for Anarchy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoeJk...

Valuetainment: Is America About to Become an Anarchy? - Michael Malice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSNLF...

What Bitcoin Did: The Anarchist Lens with Michael Malice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m4JA...

What Bitcoin Did: Understanding Anarchism with Michael Malice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlzbj...

Other stuff:

Karol Markowicz being triggered by US Democratic Socialists:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sorry...
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ameri...
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ocasi...

This video was sponsored by Atlas VPN.

00:00 - Intro: Who is that masked man?
03:06 - Sponsored content by Atlas VPN
05:11 - Ego and Hubris: An American Splendor Story
10:00 - Anarchism and Anarcho-Capitalism: A Crash Course
20:14 - Michael Malice's Anarcho- Strategy
22:05 - Michael's Definiton of Anarchy
28:45 - Bakunin
32:46 - Emma Goldman
36:04 - Peter Kropotkin
39:14 - Unrelated Kropotkin game show segment
48:47 - Rothbard
54:03 - Abolish the Police
59:54 - The Reveal
1:09:07 - Credits

There are 94 Comments

the problem is that context matters. framing matters. surely you're old enough to undersatnd that, keith?

Michael actually considers himself to be an "anarchist without adjectives" not an anarcho-capitalist. But I agree the way he frames his arguments tends to be ancappish in style, although I would say so what? What can't his audience decide for themselves what if any kind of anarchist to be?

The problem is the same one that occurred when some right wing dipshit published an edited version of Der Einzige as part of the philosophy series "Roots of the Right"; using a right wing implicitly pro-capitalist semi-anti-state prism to refract anti-capitalist anti-statism will probably lead a lot of ignoramuses to think that we (actual anarchists) have something in common with Rand, Rothbard, and other cretins. The mere fact that this blow hard voluntarily associates with Faux News, Rogan, and Beck shows where his allegiances and audience lies.

Ancaps and left-anarchists are the anarchist equivalents of Catholics and Protestants. Ancaps are anarchists with remaining vestiges of liberalism, believers in natural law and natural rights with an element of decentralist subsidiarity. Just like the Catholic Church is Christianity with remaining vestiges of Roman paganism. Left-anarchists are a derivative of liberalism and socialism, a bastard offspring comprised of schismatic sects of weirdos whose only unifying principle is hating Ancaps/Catholics. I guess we could say the national-anarchists are the Eastern Orthodoxy of anarchism, a type of agrarian anti-modernist Oriental mysticism. Anarcho-pacificists are the Quakers, etc.

you mean neo-nazis pretending they are anarchists?
"eastern orthodoxy" for western nationalism. Bravo!!

who gives a fuck about nations anyway...

I've never heard of this person and have been an anarchist and involved in the scene for around 40 years. Maybe you kids are putting too much importance onto this whole online/social media "anarchist" personality nonsense?

the goblin person does talk about the malice person being on plenty of talk shows, which goes beyond social media/online nonsense.

i haven't heard of them either, but that's kind of what the whole silo thing is about.

personally curious about what the fuck the franklin school is, and also irritated by the goblin's own ridiculous definition of anarchy... but that's to be expected. :/

"being on plenty of talk shows, which goes beyond social media/online nonsense"

Does being on "talk shows" make it more legitimate/concerings or something? What's being on talk shows have to do with anything? Are talk shows not nonsense?

frankfurt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

but the thing about that is .. the rightwing dipshits arent talking about the actual thing, they mean like ... how commies are to blame for them having to acknowledge the existence of trans people ... and 10,000 other ridiculous assertions like that.

"The Franklin School" is what Mark Levin, Fox News B-lister and self-professed expert on Marxist ideology, has mistakenly called the Frankfurt School. He's called it this in numerous interviews and also several times in the published text of his NYT bestselling book "American Marxism" lmao

https://www.salon.com/2021/08/20/fox-news-host-mark-levins-bestseller-am...

BUT as much as I'd like to clown on the guy further I've also made errors in my videos. I'm definitely not an expert in anarchism, had a lot of people reach out and correct my use of the phrase "unjustified hierarchies." I got that from Chomsky but I'm learning this is far from an accepted framing by other anarchists. Going to work on having a better definition of anarchism in the future.

Trying to educate myself here, what would you say your biggest criticisms of the explanation of anarchy I gave here were? Thanks!

that's great! welcome to the site!

first it's fair that your definition is different from mine (although i'm right of course), because there are indeed various conflicting definitions. but i for one reject the extreme/direct democracy definition, both because it makes anarchy sound friendly, which i don't think anarchy is, and because democracy is rule-by-numbers. consensus is more anarchy-friendly, but of course has its own problems.

regardless, nice to see you here and interested in learning new stuff.

also, your presentation is really good. nice to see a decent sense of humor!

I also disagree with the squeezing of anarchy into a democratic framework (extreme or direct or whatever other qualifier you want to add). Democracy is a form of majority rule, and almost always involves representation; these are two things that for me (and lots of other anarchists) are incompatible with anarchism.

Consensus for sure has its own set of problems and challenges, which is why I've seen "consensus minus one" (or two or three depending on the size of the group making decisions). But that's not really consensus, and is more a description of the process rather than the outcome.

I had a long argument with a couple of dudes over on libcom who wanted desperately to make anarchy the same as (direct) democracy. I said just call it anarchy and you won't need to explain anything extra about how your democracy isn't like any other democracy (its new and improved, with 50% more flavor).

yet, I have yet to see any sort of life-affirming qualities of either of them.

In terms of anarchist philosophy, it makes sense to want to "distribute power", taking arrogance down a notch...HOWEVER, this thinking CONCEALS arrogance: those who put the most work into the democratic process autocratically control the democratic process. This can be applied to every parliamentary and representative state. "Hugo Chavez was a soft dictator!", no thank you Noam Chompsky. "Let's wait!", no thank you revolutionary reformism!

Depressed that anarchists, reactionaries, communists, and fascists sort of agree about this. They also don't, I've definitely failed to cope with the abundance of grey areas outside of biological determination.

"The Franklin School" is what Mark Levin, Fox News B-lister and self-professed expert on Marxist ideology, has mistakenly called the Frankfurt School. He's called it this in numerous interviews and also several times in the published text of his NYT bestselling book "American Marxism" lmao

/facepalm fr

ahaha, that' very funny! The Franklin School!

just came to my mind: Center for State less Society

I can relate to that, I used to call them the Hamburg School, seriously, on this site oh maybe about 6 years ago.

i admit i did not watch the entire video, but after seeing you mention "unjustified hierarchies" a dozen times or so, i saw not a single attempt at defining what that means. as in, what would be a "justified" hierarchy? even chomsky's frequent example of parent/child relations is questionable beyond a few years of life. anarchic relations are dynamic and fluid, adapting to context constantly.

In the comments here, in the comments on this video, and in my own conversations about Michael Malice with other anarchists, those who haven’t heard of him are in the majority. This is a problem and Malice is one of the main reasons why I started creating YouTube content ( see here: https://youtu.be/cZU6YADjZuY )…

1) Michael Malice’s book The Anarchist Handbook is the Amazon #1 (and also #6) best selling book on Anarchism. If book sales mean anything - and for those who study anarchism’s past and present they mean a whole lot - at the very least this means that if you haven’t heard of Malice then you haven’t heard of the most popular contemporary anarchist author. You should be familiar with people who represent you to the general public and who are making money off of our movement.

2) Malice had been on all of the popular alt-right darkweb shows that I know of : video and audio podcasts. This began mostly with his previous book on the alt-Right, the not as influential The New Right: A Journey to the Fringe of American Politics. His overall project as a media figure brings anarchist thought to the alt-Right and vice versa. His Handbook is a tool for funneling potential anarchists into the alt-Right. This should concern you.

For all of the uproar anarchists have been in regarding the alt-Right, it is reasonable to expect that Malice would be high up on the enemy list. The fact that most of us haven’t even heard of the guy… it makes me wonder how much insight anarchists have into the rest of contemporary American political life. Usually, I feel like we are leaders when it comes to our insights into these things and I consider myself disabused of that illusion now.

So are you hinting at the need for a concerted campaign of condemnation? That could be tricky cos most commentators will demand refutation point by point due to a facile dismissal of condemnation without engagement. The best strategy would seem to be dismissal based on 100% bad faith on Malice's part by his insinuations claiming a pro-capitalist, pro-police framework of what he mislabels anarchism.

Uhmmm. I think what concerns me the most is the lack of awareness among anarchists and the fact that this fuckhead outperforms actual anarchists in our own category. Sure, he is worth some condemnation, but it would be better to marginalize him by developing better media strategies for our own projects. Hence, my own attempts to create media on popular platforms.

I think we should be asking how this was possible and deeply study the position Malice maintains in political media. His success indicates a lot of opportunity for our own public engagements. That is something we shouldn’t lose sight of even if it is disappointing to be represented by him for now.

You're doing great. Your channel is important and one day they will all see.

Thanks! I try to put my ideas into practice so that when I propose others do the same as me, they can reference my failures and improve on them!

hey Dandy, i largely agree with your assessment of the scale of this thing but you and chill goblin are describing an astroturf campaign, are you not?

so it's a bit weird to make this equivocation? like, just saying "do what malice does but be actual anarchists" sounds great until you realize that they aren't going to let better ideas on most of those platforms he's using... because those are culture war platforms specifically FOR astroturfing reactionary values.

of astroturfing, that long distance communication really does mock any sort of desire to experience love and intimacy, not just sexual kinds. There's no point in even talking about "the truth", what a fucked up reification.

"There's no point in even talking about "the truth", what a fucked up reification."

Oh no lumpy is an involuntary egoist! The reification!

I do not think that word means what you think it means. But there's no point in even talking about it... in your trying to clear it up for lumpy... to get to the truth about talking about truth or your reification of love and intimacy, right? ;o)

well being oppositional in the face of public BS figures like him can be very effective. like challenging then to live debates, and if they try to ignore then expose them for being the shills they likely are.

if only this "ganggang" crowd who's been so much doing the same to JZ and 325 would do as much with this Alt Right poser... like whatever happened to them?

"like whatever happened to them?"

There still around, in a place you don't know about, making fun of how lame you are, bro.

Coz my question was always the same lame questioin since at least 2011.

Being like...

If your gang is so freaking hawt and got plenty of tricks in yo bag, then why the best you achieved is loser projects like an orange book, yet another electro project, and/or the same lifestyle every (other) hipster in town has?

Laaaame.

Clean the mold out yo tent hoser it rots da brain don't be a tent hipster looser with brain rot maaan

CyberDandy, what if you write a book and start a channel called The Fascist Handbook but make it secretly cryptoanarchist? Like, make it really a book on being an awesome anarchist but caller it Fascism. Then after you get a million followers you can reveal to them that you tricked them and they're all really just nice anarchists. The ghost of Debord would be so pleased.

oh 9:54, this suggestion pleases my bakunin heart so much...

sigh

they told people who read the book that they were actually anarchists, fooled me into thinking i was already enlightened and fine the way i was, and later they retracted their statements on romantic shoplifting and homelessness...replacing it with solidarity and protest politics. There's not much of a point in tricking people into isolating themselves, i have back problems and an incurable sense of self-hatred. I just basically tried to convince one of my old friends that i'm a fucked a person that they shouldn't hang out with anymore, it obviously didn't work. I'm fucked.

You misunderstood CrimethInc. I think.

That would make sense if it made any sense. There isn’t a network of wealthy anarchists, quasi-anarchists, or people who merely think anarchists are useful for their cause who could fund my efforts in the way that the alt-Right and the wider networks of finance they benefit from are funding people like Malice. But if there was, oh boy would that be a hoot!

"There isn’t a network of wealthy anarchists"

Contact thecollective, CyberDandy.

Hey thecollective,

Just wanted to contact you on anon’s recommendation. I’m trying to get millions of dollars worth of investment in public relations monies to:

1) establish numerous national and international anarchist think tanks
2) navigate the total media landscape and plant intelligentsia from said think tanks there to promote my messages
3) amass enough social media power for my message to be well-known by casual-to-moderate consumers of political ideology
4) build an extensive network of audio/video content production firms to regularly promote my message on the most popular (and even not so popular!) platforms
5) fund my book, The Fascist Handbook, that will begin with a bunch of old essays by old Fascists and their forerunners… but only include contemporary works by anarchists.
6) fund an audiobook where each of those essays is read by a different popular anarchist podcasters/youtubers

oh I’m gonna need some merch too!

Pro tip: If your project requires millions of dollars and all of those other things listed for it to e successful then you are either doing it wrong/being unrealistic or simply setting yourself up with an excuse for failure based on fear. Where's the anarcho-punk DIY spirit, CyberDandy?

You dork. I was listing what I think would be required to make “The Fascist Handbook” equivalent in context to what Michael Malice’s “The Anarchist Handbook” is. I have no real intention of writing a book right now, especially that one.

Well with that attitude you’re not going to be very successful. Thanks for ruining anarchy for the masses.

Any other good vibes you can share here?

We really need them.

Here's one: a CyberDandy leaked sex tape. Your numbers will skyrocket.

I’ll send your suggestion to my marketing research department and maybe once we get another few thousand like/subscribe/share/superchats we can work something out.

How about an "Einzige" tier on your Patreon with monthly dick pic rewards? Onlyfans is a huge market available for anarchists too.

No wonder you are behind. The enemy does not nap. The enemy is tirelessly making cryptofascist “anarchist” media and expanding their reach while you slumber! The success or failure of anarchist talk show and social media presence could be one more cup of coffee away and youre going to nap instead. Sad.

Having massive amounts of money doesn't really make sense from a sanity and harm reduction point of view. Don't use anarchists for a cause, just read about reciprocity and mutual aide. Prisoner support is also nice, yet you need to be open to reoccurring traumas and understand that nothing can be taken back. Some have talked about how some prisoners deserve be there...fair enough for extreme cases, cops, etc., yet nobody really deserves anything.

This sure sounds like Identity Politics to me. I thought you were against such leftoid concepts as IDpol?

Or is it not IDpol if the identity is "anarchist?"

Seriously asking.

IdPol is predicated on elevating supposed biologically based gender or racial identity that has been the basis for historical oppression and dispossession into the pinnacle of one's analytical and strategic arsenal. Some anarchists and leftists try to squeeze working class into an identity category as well, but that doesn't hold up to any IdPol scrutiny. Making a political identity into an IdPol category is even more absurd. The main aspect of IdPol is biological essentialism, a presentation that is unchanging and indeed unchangeable; being a leftist or an anarchist is always a choice. You can avoid oppression as an anarchist any time -- all you have to do is stop acting like one.

"You can avoid oppression as an anarchist any time -- all you have to do is stop acting like one."

This is problematic af. On one hand it denies the oppressor's use of jacketing anyone they determine is in a group to be oppressed and at the same time it reeks of anti-LGBTQIA+ sentiment insofar as one can just "stop."

hruh, that's some serious overreach. being LGBT+ is no more a "choice" than being Black, and as such can be thought of as passive identities in relation to oppressors. being an anarchist is totally active -- you have to actually do something to stand out as oppositional or you can be ignored as usual. totally different categories of being

Ever read Sartre? Consider "Saint Genet". Or simply consider the Jew or the homosexual and "standing out" as you put it. This is absolutely not the same as "being Black."

people choose identities, they're not always based on the more common "oppressed categories" (indigenous, BLACK, female, trans, crazy), i thought i could use meditation, therapy, and being curious about other people to keep ignoring how much i hate myself but it didn't work at all, it only taught me how to keep avoiding doing things that i consider bad and unhealthy.

"Identifiers" won't be neatly separated from identity for the same reason that a double life will most certainly fuck you over if you choose to start thinking of your life like that, it's a lot easier to work two jobs than making a habit of hiding and avoiding things you KNOW you don't want other people know.

Are you talking to me?

If so, then what I think about identity is outlined in my essay, Identity is Impossible: https://cyberdandy.org/featured/identity-is-impossible/

If you feel the need, I go deeper into this issue in my ongoing writing on existentialist anarchism: https://cyberdandy.org/featured/existentialist-anarchism-a-rough-sketch/

TL;DR: I don’t think anarchism is an identity politics. In my formulation at least, anarchism draws inspiration from the anti-essentialist and existentialist observation that such politics are a form of Sartrean “bad faith”.

Anarchists collectively doing a better job at promoting anarchism than the alt-right is not an identity politics issue.

Seriously answering.

CyberDandy,

Do you really think anyone worth talk to or knowing is going to confuse this guy with an actual anarchist? https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1415820415314931715/_VVX4GI8_400x40...

The same people who would think he's an anarchist or represents anarchist ideas are the ones that think Elon Musk is an anarchist because he said so.

A piece of advice, one superstar to another: focus your pretty face more on Dandying and less on Cybering.

No need to go and make things so complicated. 8^)

It may seem like these distinctions are obvious, but I think for most people who would want to learn about anarchism for the first time (people I want to talk to) don’t actually think these differences are very big. Superficially, Malice is much more credibly an anarchist. His book does include bonefide anarchists. You have to catch him in the right context and know the right background information about him to see what’s going on and/or at least recognize the names of the non-anarchist authors in the book or who are reading the text on audio (on audible). The average dolt doesn’t care one way or another, but I think genuinely curious and potentially anarchist-sympathizing people would be quite fairly confused by this.

Avril: "Do you really think anyone worth talk to or knowing is going to confuse this guy with an actual anarchist?"
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CyberDandy: "yes I do think so."
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You're fucked.

CyberDandy, Would you consider yourself an anti-cryptofascist? CyberDandy: anticryptofa? There's your angle, buddy. Branding possibilities are endless.

Nah, I think Spencer Sunshine and Alexander Reid Ross got a monopoly on that. Need a market with less fierce competition. I was thinking of doxxing fascist furries instead.

ism. Saying "the worst nine words in the english language are 'i'm from the government and i'm here to help" and, "america!" at the same time are just as monotonous as "well! I hate the state, just like you, but IF WE COULD SIMPLY HAVE CAPITALISM WITHOUT THE STATE"...well, my grammar is total crap...BUT, to make the whole thing more personal, AvrilLavigne (it would be the sexiest fantasy if the name choice were not word play and internet trolling for her to be posting on such an...anarchist space...), and Cyberdaddy is speaking the truth in that quote alone: Remember when all those republican politicians claimed to be anarchists? Well...not saying i like the Democratic party any better, because democrats are just the euphemism for daily torture...but all the commentary seems to be so quotidian. No, i haven't seen the video lumpy, i anarchistically refuse to vote once again.

*breathy cheers and euphemisms*

It may seem like these distinctions are obvious, but I think for most people who would want to learn about anarchism for the first time (people I want to talk to) don’t actually think these differences are very big. Superficially, Malice is much more credibly an anarchist. His book does include bonefide anarchists. You have to catch him in the right context and know the right background information about him to see what’s going on and/or at least recognize the names of the non-anarchist authors in the book or who are reading the text on audio (on audible). The average dolt doesn’t care one way or another, but I think genuinely curious and potentially anarchist-sympathizing people would be quite fairly confused by this.

Michael's book on the Alt-Right is actually very critical of that milieu. Malice is a curious onlooker, not a sympathizer. If you watch his interview with Blaire White, he discusses his admiration for gay culture and Black American culture in detail.

Haha, nice try third positionist. Get fucked, "Preston".

did you uh ... did you watch chill goblin's video yet? cuz the issue here is a conspicuous amount of alt-right darlings all seeming to be in on astroturfing the shit out of michael's efforts, signal boosting him, etc.

just a modern iteration of the original effort to steal the term "libertarian" from the legacy of the left, not that i'm overly fond of the old left? but it's an issue of complete incoherency with pro-capitalist and otherwise reactionary positions.

complete political incoherency! as american as apple pie made of genocide!

The Preston is a very busy person organising White Tribes and doesn't have time for anarchist critique, lumpy

it's cool, i'm just here chattering to myself regardless of any validation or purpose, as always

I appreciate that you’re engaging this stuff so I don’t have to. I like it when you post your stuff on here too. Though so far you’ve had more success stirring up the anews peanut gallery than causing any stir among the wider public, but it’s certainly a long haul. Some say youtube algorithm doesn’t start recommending videos until after 4 or 5 years after they’ve been posted and that the channel has been active.

I know this comment was directed at me, so listen here dude, calling yourself an anarchist DOES make you a seeker of identarian based relationships for your own personal valuation of your existence within a milieu, club, or culture.

Social anarchists need to be skeptical of movements, or else they'll get tired nodding and repeating slogans. It's really easy to understand now adays that acknowledging "race" by itself has fatal flaws, yet not without understanding the way its connected to feeling and lying to cover up the fear of humiliation, "bodies".

An anarchist attack on Malice could also come in the form of smelling some rather pungent recuperation. Ignoring people has some rather powerful effects, even though I agree that swindlers can't be ignored easily. Anarcho-capitalism does increase interest in hating the state, but exploits everyone's desire to embrace their inevitable death. I want to live in a world without trademarks and copyrights -- well...maybe not all of them!

I think you're jealous Cyberbaby, Malice has out witted you, has worked via this imaginary Altright to get the anarchist idea better known.
What you call the Altright is actually just a global anti-corporate alienated youth demographic which has grown momentum after climate inflation, poverty, particularly in the last 8 years since the amplification of authoritarian State power.
Also, if you had read The Art of War, you would realise that converting your enemy over to your own side is a mastering of diplomatic skills and is a superior method compared to ridiculous public brawls at demonstrations in the struggilismo style.

Somewhere you will find my response about what should be done regarding Malice and where my thoughts go. Not far from what you said actually. And of course I am jealous! Who wouldn’t want to model undies for an innovative brand that separates the dick from the balls and the balls from the butt?

Actually, I knew I could find my comment easily so here it is, reposted from the wrinkles in my shriveled up heart:

“ Uhmmm. I think what concerns me the most is the lack of awareness among anarchists and the fact that this fuckhead outperforms actual anarchists in our own category. Sure, he is worth some condemnation, but it would be better to marginalize him by developing better media strategies for our own projects. Hence, my own attempts to create media on popular platforms.
I think we should be asking how this was possible and deeply study the position Malice maintains in political media. His success indicates a lot of opportunity for our own public engagements. That is something we shouldn’t lose sight of even if it is disappointing to be represented by him for now.”

I'm impressed, and ahem, I'm also jealous, 'cos I would make a great benign anarch dictator!
Is that underwear BDSM related, hmm, Malice by name, malice by nature.

"You should be familiar with people who represent you to the general public ..."

can you see the inherent problem with that statement, cyber candy? if you in any way feel represented by ANYONE that you have not asked to represent you in a particular situation, EPIC FAIL! if public relations is your concern, chalk up another.

Even the most underground anarchist cells release communiques to the public, establishing a relationship with the public. Anarchists occupy news media stations to release statements, anarchists protest in public venues, anarchists create podcasts on public platforms, and so on, and so forth.

The Public, which you seem to have some sort of problem with, is an historical structure. Hannah Arendt, among others, has documented and critiqued its rise in her work "The Human Condition". But aside from her work from a period that we have now moved out of, any attention paid to the ubiquity of digital surveillance by government and corporate institutions has only made our lives even more public. Privacy is on the outs. In all likelihood, you are a public figure to some extent and one that is represented in various forum without your consent.

The fact of our general representation without our input is something anarchists struggle with. Groups like Anarchist Agency attempt to address this in one way. Press releases by anarchist groups attending mass demonstrations is another way. Publishing introductory texts to anarchism that attempt to dispel myths about anarchists is yet another way. Even this website that you are commenting on, this is a piece of public relations. Did you need to register to comment? Are your comments visible to the public? Can most anyone see them? You are engaged in public relations right now.

If you want to pretend like the above isn't true, then you are being self-deceptive. If you think that those who take up the title "anarchist" in public and present their cringe bullshit as a representation of anarchism isn't your problem, then you are the one failing to recognize the power of representation in our society and how it directly relates to your life. Should you find yourself judged as an anarchist at some point, these public representatives contribute to an assessment of you regardless of your consent to them as representatives. Anarchist discourse is pubic, its public quality is how you are even aware of it, you have appropriated a public body of knowledge and made it your own, and now you are publicly returning your modifications to the public discourse on anarchism.

If you want something private, you're going to have to build an underground. One that is opaque to the public. Anarchism isn't what you're looking for in that case... so I suggest you fuck off to somewhere else.

Different commenter here.

"Even the most underground anarchist cells release communiques to the public"

The communiques of the best anarchists are not released to the public. They are released in public to other anarchists. There is a difference.

I didn't read the rest of your comment but no need to go and make things so complicated. ;-)

True, some are but allowing for even some cells to release to the public still maintains the point and this distinction does little to the rest of my argument regardless.

btw i’d you didn’t watch the Ramones video then you’re dead to me but I still love you

These are fair points. Yet still there's the issue of "hollowing out" anarchism by making such large-scale PR that isn't backed with any anarchist practice or action.

Just like with the whole issue of an "anarchist academia", there's the pitfall of creating an ivory tower-like bubble, with theory and discourse being always further detached from the context of action and practice. This has been a problem casually brought up in postmodern philosophy as well.

I still think there's no competition to be had with prominent figures like this zoomer poser, even if they deserve to be taken down for the fakesters they are.

Fighting power isn't really to compete with it. It means also first and foremost to make it become pointless to all the potential newbies. This is why things like the youth's disenchantment at mainstreams politics wss always a good starting point, for instance.

And lateness is abhorrent to me. You’ll pay for this Kevin Keating! By god you’ll pay!

Until then mawhuahahahaha!!!!!!!!

On behalf of my client, CyberDandy, you, anon 14:13, are hereby warned and notified to CEASE AND DESIST making false and defamatory statements regarding CyberDandy and their ongoing matters with Public Anarchism.

We are prepared to pursue whatever avenues are necessary on behalf of CyberDandy to stop the continued false and defamatory statements and will seek all available damages and remedies.

Kindly govern yourself accordingly.

I laughed at this. This was good. It was funny. Thank you for using non-consensual representation to make light of a rather too lengthy discussion about representation.

It's not like we shouldn't care doing anything against fake-ass Whitey online brodudes like this tool, but... is this anything new that "anarchism" is being recuperated by more authoritarian or sectarian milieus?

Ya know like lib lefties, Maoists and socialists doing the same for decades? And academics?

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't get too demoralized by it, as this is nothing new. Only Alt Right recuperation is rather new...

But there's a very easy and cheap method in taking down these tools. More precisely in forcing them to remove themselves from public fame, by turning actual *anarchy* against them (and the FBI and other agencies in the process), so it blows in their own faces.

Only thing that's depressing to me is to see the endless efforts spent at every new generation to keep anarchism BLACK.

Perhaps we need a better group identity? ;)

"It's not like we shouldn't care doing anything against fake-ass Whitey online brodudes"

What is a "fake-ass Whitey?" A person of color that pretends to be white or a white person that pretends to be 'real?"

"Only thing that's depressing to me is to see the endless efforts spent at every new generation to keep anarchism BLACK."

Are you a "fake-ass Whitey," Fauvenoir or do you just with to keep BLACKS out of anarchism or are you depressed about nihilest black anarchy?

Can you expand on the "very easy and cheap method" of "turning actual *anarchy* against" them?

“Only thing that's depressing to me is to see the endless efforts spent at every new generation to keep anarchism BLACK.”

Name should be Fauveblanc, amirite?

I THINK... that I might have hurt some (contrived and manipulated) sensibilities here. What can I do about it now? Oh yeah, was going to watch a movie in the tent.

This world's riddled with egoists, I saaay!

Okay: michael malice is an anarcho-capitalist...michael-malice is an anarcho-capitalist...michael-malice is an anarcho capitalist...i'm laughing WITH and AT your TRUTH!

So yeah, no reason to expect a book peddling guy who hangs out with Glen Beck to be a "real anarchist". However, anarchists who only oppose "all un-justified hierarchies" are just chompskyian anarchists. Chompskian anarchists support "legitimate" hierarchies, which etymologically means authorities justified by the state, ie: law, legitamcy. Un-justified hierarchies basically have the insinuation attached to them: they are bad because the justice system does not justify them. Process oriented praxis at its most hilarious! Beautiful! Maybe i can have my doctor cooperative where i get to sell my own currency to my clients and accountability is equally distributed! LMFAO.

But yeah the video is funny and has a lot of cool art! The narwhal is a nice rebranding.

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