by anarchybang
Apr 5, 2019
From Anarchy Bang
This week we are going to discuss violence. Does anarchism require consent from everyone? If it does is it necessarily pacifistic? If it doesn't is it militaristic and/or terroristic? How do we judge?
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Violence is shit distinction.
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 10:43
Violence is shit distinction.
Wills will clash, whether free(d) or not.
Force applied in conflict won't be abolished.
Each decides what's commensurate force.
Some are more adept at this than others.
States (and warfare, and terrorism) isn't the only conceivable physically possible arrangement.
It's the current one.
Do you like it? How do you interact with it? Do you want to end it? How would you do it? Can you do that? Will you do that? Which of your assumptions are more accurate and which are just plain wrong?
Terrorism is theatralized
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 10:58
Terrorism is theatralized force; effect relying on maximum visibility, to impact horror, demoralization, and "resonance". Covert applications of force (lethal or not) are just as spectacular, as are all the goings-on backstage to make a show possible. Spectacular is not synonym with "bad", but a specific way the will of some is asserted by selectively exhibiting and covering up, world-building and world-destroying. War, politics, the economy, the spectacle, technology, techniques, force, narratives, arguments, can all be means used to assert a will.
Which means do you like or prefer (if any)? Which do you detest (if any)? Do you have the ability to avoid using or being used by some of them?
inb4 all the violence experts
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 11:13
inb4 all the violence experts and badasses show up to teach everyone. . . oh wait
Bluff you with a display of
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 11:17
In reply to inb4 all the violence experts by anon (not verified)
Bluff you with a display of threat is called psychological violence. Experts use bluff,
--Machiavelli tough guy
how does commenting top of my
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 11:22
In reply to inb4 all the violence experts by anon (not verified)
how does commenting top of my head considerations orvopinions on a anews comment section make me an expert or a badass?
is provoking and asking questions, teaching?
i mean, did socrates got a copyright on conversation and now any question is applying the socratic method?
talk to me or something. speak your mind. i want to know your opinions or how you disagree with these bare assertions/assumptions/opinions, and basic general questions.
They're just trolling. But
senileoldtroll (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 15:21
In reply to how does commenting top of my by anon (not verified)
They're just trolling. But yeah, funny shit!
Presumably we should only let people who know almost nothing about violence do the talking ... Oh wait.
Isn't consent just a
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 15:43
Isn't consent just a subcategory of autonomy? (assertion alert, ikr?!)
So anarchy/ism doesn't "require consent" so much as it requires a decent antiauthoritarian analysis for deciding when to apply the logic of consent.
My desire is to respect everyone's autonomy until someone is clearly enjoying great advantages over others at which point, I decide to withdraw my default respect because they're demonstrating that they don't have any so...
I choose to seek consent... Or not. It's basically up to you, how interested I am in whether you "consent". Your choices inform mine. How this relates to violence should be obvious.
you SEEK consent...
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 23:18
In reply to Isn't consent just a by anon (not verified)
...as something you can gain out of somebody, in a transactional market. There this ain't autonomy at all.
What is autonomous -as in "self-driven" or self-powered- is DESIRE, or at least intent. Without these, your consent is nothing but end result of grooming. Pushing one person's will into one specific direction, through manipulation.
We've discussed this in the TOTW about "grooming"... On how consent in itself is not enough.
fwiw, i think this model of relationship is inhuman
anonymous (not verified) Sat, 04/06/2019 - 04:20
In reply to you SEEK consent... by anon (not verified)
that is--insisting that everyone involved in a sexual interaction (or maybe any kind of interaction) be entirely of one mind about whatever they're participating in.
that is to say, people are ambivalent. people almost always have multiple conflicting desires. pretending that that is not true is part of the problem of dealing with consequences and regret and miscommunication, etc.
relationship violence canNOT adequately be left at "someone going against someone else's desires..." probabyl not being clear but i'm sleepy
^^ WARNING^^ Heavy righteous
anon (not verified) Sat, 04/06/2019 - 05:38
In reply to fwiw, i think this model of relationship is inhuman by anonymous (not verified)
^^ WARNING^^ Heavy righteous X-tian morality rave about to start. WARNING, STAY CLEAR !!!
wow … OP here … this is
anon (not verified) Sat, 04/06/2019 - 11:43
In reply to ^^ WARNING^^ Heavy righteous by anon (not verified)
wow … OP here … this is pretty damning since I wasn't talking about sex at all. The topic is violence and when its use would be appropriate, since you don't get consent for it. Maybe take a good long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're so tone deaf when anyone uses the word consent?
"come at me, bro" is consent
anon (not verified) Sat, 04/06/2019 - 11:50
In reply to wow … OP here … this is by anon (not verified)
"come at me, bro" is consent for fisty cuffs
Here's the question: "Does
anon (not verified) Sat, 04/06/2019 - 12:11
In reply to "come at me, bro" is consent by anon (not verified)
Here's the question: "Does anarchism require consent from everyone? If it does, is it necessarily pacifistic?"
I'm saying no. Tryin for nuance. What about you? Trolling in your sleep?
Which OP!?
anon (not verified) Sat, 04/06/2019 - 12:16
In reply to wow … OP here … this is by anon (not verified)
With these messed up cascading flows of comments it's impossible to tell without quotes or timestamps!
Are you denying that violence cannot be involved in gaining consent. Enforcing your desires or bending another person's desires toward your self-serving direction is not violence? Wtf.
"cannot" >>> "can"
anon (not verified) Sat, 04/06/2019 - 12:18
In reply to Which OP!? by anon (not verified)
"cannot" >>> "can"
That's not consent. That's
anon (not verified) Sat, 04/06/2019 - 12:21
In reply to Which OP!? by anon (not verified)
That's not consent. That's just force. jfc ...
And Jesus was a sailor, when
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 18:32
And Jesus was a sailor, when he walked upon the water
And he spent a long time watching from his lonely wooden tower.
And when he knew for certain, only drowning men could see him,
He said: "All men will be sailors then, until the sea shall free them."
But he himself was broken
Long before the sky would open,
Forsaken, almost human,
He sank beneath your wisdom, like a stone
Muhrican nihilists are soooo
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 21:16
Muhrican nihilists are soooo cool the dont need gods and yuropeen things and beleefs and they dont judge peeple from they looks like yuropeen peeple and ther cuhlture and they dont do vilent things until the get attact
no u
anon (not verified) Fri, 04/05/2019 - 21:48
In reply to Muhrican nihilists are soooo by anon (not verified)
no u
I love it when American
anon (not verified) Tue, 04/09/2019 - 09:57
In reply to Muhrican nihilists are soooo by anon (not verified)
I love it when American anarchists criticise,
Non-American anarchists for not being not American,
Not for American anarchists being too American,
For their own and everyone else's good.
Where is teh critique here?
anon (not verified) Tue, 04/09/2019 - 10:32
In reply to I love it when American by anon (not verified)
Where is teh critique here?
violence is bad
anon (not verified) Sat, 04/06/2019 - 12:47
violence is bad
violence is scary because it
anon (not verified) Sun, 04/07/2019 - 00:18
violence is scary because it hurts people. pacifism never hurt anyone.
Yeah and smelling hair never
Joe Baby (not verified) Sun, 04/07/2019 - 01:25
In reply to violence is scary because it by anon (not verified)
Yeah and smelling hair never hurt anyone mkay!
exactly
anon (not verified) Sun, 04/07/2019 - 01:47
In reply to Yeah and smelling hair never by Joe Baby (not verified)
exactly
And then smiling at and
anon (not verified) Sun, 04/07/2019 - 03:44
In reply to exactly by anon (not verified)
And then smiling at and kissing the top of the strangers head whilst caressing their neck is being good and kind and non-violent mkay!?
Authority inverts the ethics
anon (not verified) Sun, 04/07/2019 - 04:37
In reply to And then smiling at and by anon (not verified)
Authority inverts the ethics of violence so that aggressive collisions, competitive impacts, vigorous exercising in public, insensitive tackles, unemotional insertions and violent penetrations are regarded as good and beneficial whilst sexual intervention with strangers, kissing of random children, massaging unknown women on crowded buses, and having sexual intercourse in public is regarded as bad and harmful.
We are nolonger wild nihilists anymore!
Do you mean that going to war
anon (not verified) Sun, 04/07/2019 - 05:17
In reply to Authority inverts the ethics by anon (not verified)
Do you mean that going to war is acceptable and pornography is unacceptable?
"pacifism never hurt anyone."
anon (not verified) Sun, 04/07/2019 - 06:22
In reply to violence is scary because it by anon (not verified)
"pacifism never hurt anyone."
do you seriously believe that? if you think supporters of gandhi and mkl never got hurt due to their pacifism, you need to read some history.
that was violence hurting the
anon (not verified) Sun, 04/07/2019 - 09:43
In reply to "pacifism never hurt anyone." by anon (not verified)
that was violence hurting the pacifists, not the other way around.
violence is bad.
self-defense is allowed.
^^^ "mkl" ==> "mlk"
anon (not verified) Sun, 04/07/2019 - 06:23
^^^ "mkl" ==> "mlk"
i'd like a clarification on
rfa Sun, 04/07/2019 - 09:15
i'd like a clarification on terms here, as you're using them, maybe in the editorial or the top of the show? specifically: violence & consent (the relationship), pacifism, militaristic, terroristic.
are the major questions here entirely limited to humans or are other species part of the conversation? if just humans then is anarchism applicable to just humans?
Does anarchism require consent from everyone? If it does is it necessarily pacifistic? If it doesn't is it militaristic and/or terroristic? How do we judge?
1. no
2. no
3. no
4. experience (or don't!).
meanwhile…
a: may i smash your face with this brick?
b: yes
c: :buttterfly-meme: is this violence?
later…
a: i'll have a six piece chicken mcnugget and a vanilla shake
c: :butterfly-meme: is this violence?
later… (from the hospital)
b: i'd like to report an assault
/fin
Why was that wingnut caller
anon (not verified) Mon, 04/08/2019 - 09:15
Why was that wingnut caller so angry shouting and making no sense? Did they lose friends during a mission spreading anarchism in the Niger Delta? Do they blame Little Black Cart for the violence? I don't understand.
Does there need to be an Anarchy Bang episode on testosterone?
the advent of controlled fire
anon (not verified) Mon, 04/08/2019 - 10:43
In reply to Why was that wingnut caller by anon (not verified)
the advent of controlled fire set off a chain reaction that increased testosterone production and gave birth to violence and oppression in the form of patriarchy
THIS IS NO GAME!
Alex Zhachev (not verified) Mon, 04/08/2019 - 11:29
I told ya it was the Soros-run CARTEL running the FAKE OPPOSITION for the global robber barons
Illuminati JEWS who can't help takin away our liberty and rob our guns and rape our kids. THEY KNOW the auspices of revolt can be undermine by endless po-mo talk of academia, THEY KNOW that pacifism is a useful drug along with the fluoride in Michigan lake to corrupt the youth to make them stupid and pacified with PBR, wake up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPrzkkbxFeQ&t=66s
^^^ This track is pretty
senileoldtroll (not verified) Mon, 04/08/2019 - 11:40
In reply to THIS IS NO GAME! by Alex Zhachev (not verified)
^^^ This track is pretty great, all trolling aside
I think the questions here
anon (not verified) Tue, 04/09/2019 - 08:00
I think the questions here about violence were misguided. Does anarchism aims at having everyone's consent, or is everyone's consent even a question? Maybe purifying those questions from contained assertions?
To me any anarchy is more of a "breaking open" than an "enforcing". Or at least a "liberating". The idea that liberating is a kind of enforcement sounds pretty crass. Kinda like saying American Black slaves were enforcing the hardships of liberation upon the "good White slave-owners", or how cops are being oppressed by street gangs. Def not where A! was getting at, but that's within the horizon of these first questions about "enforcing freedom". Anarchy is a basic condition on this planet BY DEFAULT...
I'm also wondering whether anarchism is even a thing, or if there is any consensus among all those thinking themselves as anarchists, on what this anarchism is, or what an anarchist world is supposed to be... I heard a few weirdos lately talking about anarchism as well as supporting a social-democrat party in the same sentence.
More important question that urges being asked at every show: what are we really talking about?
A little late to this but I
Flower Bomb (not verified) Tue, 04/09/2019 - 11:01
A little late to this but I think the word "violence" exists only in a society where civilized interactions are moralized to be passive. Do I believe in "violence" between anarchists? Well, depends on what kinda anarchist ya talkin' bout. Some social justice warrior "anarchists" consider verbal insults "violent". Many would say a knife fight between two anarchists is violence. And some say hardcore dancing at a show is an expression of violence.
I like the word "conflict". Violence is a loaded term intended to manipulate emotional response to a situation. There will always be the potential for conflict as long as there is social interactions. Conflict is neither "good" nor "bad". It just happens. I think many anarchists are not used to the idea of permanent conflict, and therefore in response try to suppress its potential for occurring through moralism.
Basically, in my opinion, conflict is the naturally occurring result of free interactions between unique individuals. I much prefer conflict than coerced peace.
i agree. in part it’s what i
anon (not verified) Tue, 04/09/2019 - 11:47
In reply to A little late to this but I by Flower Bomb (not verified)
i agree. in part it’s what i was pointing at with my first comment. but you speak more naturally. i speak like a robot or some shit.
What do we do with people who
anon (not verified) Tue, 04/09/2019 - 12:24
In reply to A little late to this but I by Flower Bomb (not verified)
What do we do with people who obsess over the threat of conflict because they don't want it in their lives? Those who refuse to sacrifice the comfort and security provided by the State?
Why would an anarchist be
anon (not verified) Tue, 04/09/2019 - 12:36
In reply to What do we do with people who by anon (not verified)
Why would an anarchist be asking the question "what do we do with people" in the way that you are?
Pat there hand and say "their
anon (not verified) Tue, 04/09/2019 - 14:04
In reply to Why would an anarchist be by anon (not verified)
Pat there hand and say "their there" but make sure it's the right use of theyre
Is it possible to be a
anon (not verified) Wed, 04/10/2019 - 08:51
Is it possible to be a nihilist and a pacfist?
it’s possible but i forbid it
anon (not verified) Wed, 04/10/2019 - 09:10
In reply to Is it possible to be a by anon (not verified)
it’s possible but i forbid it
unless you pay me
in cuddles
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