Bellamy Fitzpatrick's podcast appearances

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anon (not verified)
yea, it's entirely possible that BF believes some stupid shit

about covid19 conspiracies (stupid because i disagree! lol), but to draw a line between that and him being a fascist is sloppy and uncalled for and doing the enemy's work (enemy in the broadest anti-anarchist sense here). slippery slope fallacy is rampant everywhere. don't fall down it!

anon (not verified)
Hey shit for brains, yes,

Hey shit for brains, yes, most people who retweet other tweets are tacitly endorsing those tweets most of the time, unless they make some indication (e.g. sarcasm, or directly disputing it) that they are actually not endorsing it, That's how twitter works. Duh.

I dismiss ideas I don't like, because they have no evidence to support them. Which is why I don't like them. That's how rationality works. Mediabiascheck isn't a state institution, and neither are the scientific authorities I read.

Any other straw men you'd like to throw at me?

TheTao (not verified)
what i'm wondering is why something bellamy retweeted

is such a huge deal to you. Conspiracy theories are called theories for a reason, they can't be verified, just in the same way that "bellamy is a right winger" also can't be verified.

It's true that people retweet things they endorse, but so far nobody has posted any evidence that bellamy retweeted a conspiracy theory either...it just seems like people on here have this persistent desire to somehow discredit/smear him which is really funny to me. It's like he's this criminal in cyberspace who the anarchist authorities are attempting to bring down! It reminds me a lot of how people respond to KT's podcasts posted on here, lot's of anarchist mobs with flaming torches running around. Some of the comments in response to KT were so funny but unfortunately they got taken down :-(

Big Navi (not verified)
WTF? It's not a huge deal to

WTF? It's not a huge deal to me. I just happened to mention BF's retweet, and you and others got all triggered about it. It's obviously a huge deal to you., since you are now trying to tone police me. And for the record, claiming COVID is an overblown hoax is definitely a conspiracy theory.

anon (not verified)
rationality duh

> Mediabiascheck isn't a state institution

i didn't say it was. i said appealing to the authority of mediabiascheck.com (lol) is no different to appealing to the authority of off-guardian.com or theguardian.com

> neither are the scientific authorities I read

they absolutely are.

let's see if you can reply without resorting to childish name calling this time, anon.

Big Navi (not verified)
Then why did you mention

Then why did you mention 'state institution' in the same sentence, when neither mediabiascheck nor the science I read are from state institutions? Makes no sense. You just have to look at Off-Guardian to see their conspiracy peddling. Their coverage of Julian Assange is pretty good, but the rest is either pablum or garbage, and of no relevance to anarchists. Incidentally, mediabiascheck states: "We do not accept funding from any businesses, corporations, politicians or media outlets, to again remain free from influence".

> neither are the scientific authorities I read
>they absolutely are.

Lol...you know what papers I read? And you presume to know they're scientific papers from state institutions? Prove it. I'll wait...Let's see if you can string a coherent sentence together in your next reply without embarrassing yourself..

anon (not verified)
state institutions

no one said mediabiasfactcheckforrationalists.com is a state institution, but the other link you posted, the one with the fucking Yale banner, absolutely is

anon (not verified)
Are you saying Yale

Are you saying Yale University is a state institution? Because it isn't.

anon (not verified)
'Universities aren't the state'

Big Navi is that you?

TheTao (not verified)
state institutions

"Mediabiascheck isn't a state institution, and neither are the scientific authorities I read."

actually the "scientific authorities you read" are more than likely funded or supported by the state in some way, which doesn't make them a state institution, but doesn't mean that they AREN'T state institution oriented...

Big Navi (not verified)
In that case, all science is

In that case, all science is funded directly or indirectly by the state (or corporations). And therefore what? All science i.e. physics, biology, chemistry, engineering, astronomy, etc., is therefore wrong?

Off-Guardian wants you to believe that the coronavirus "It's all bullshit". If all science is wrong, who and what are you going to base your beliefs on? Shamans? Astrology?

TheTao (not verified)
I'm still laughing about the fact that

you still haven't proven any association between BF and the conspiracy theories, yet the allegations keep popping up! And now you are putting words in my mouth...that i was trashing science, i was only pointing out the simple fact that what gets called "science" is as you are saying, funded by state and corporate interests nearly 100% of the time.

Oh, what some people are willing to do for "the truth"! Some of my facebook friends post stuff about conspiracy theories but i don't accuse them of being conspiracy theorists or right wingers because that's preposterous. Nice trolling.

anon (not verified)
I'm laughing about the fact

I'm laughing about the fact that anyones even talking about this. A history-bending moment is occuring and yet motherfuckers are on the internet, talking about Bellamy of all people.

lel

TheTao (not verified)
well, you got someone else to talk about?

Donald Trump, John Zerzan, Kevin Tucker, Jeffrey Epstein?

anon (not verified)
STOP TALKING ANONS

> I'm laughing about the fact that anyones even talking about this

And yet here you are...

anon (not verified)
WTF are you talking about? I

WTF are you talking about? I wasn't trying to prove any association between BF and conspiracies other than noting the fact that BF was tweeting a link to a conspiracy site. It was idiots like you who got all triggered about it. Maybe you should relax, calm down, take a stress pill, and go to your safe space.

You were the one saying all science is funded by the state, implying that therefore all science is somehow suspect. Otherwise why bring the state into it on an anarchist blog?

anon (not verified)
" If all science is wrong,

" If all science is wrong, who and what are you going to base your beliefs on? Shamans? Astrology?"

i have no "beliefs". beliefs are the basis of ideology and dogma. i have observations, experiences, relations, perspectives. the only way the word "belief" has any relevance for me is as a synonym for "thought".

i "think" you are lying. i "believe" you are lying. like that. never would i say "i believe in [science/god/anarchism/humanity]".

the alternative, as i see it, is a synonym for "faith". not something i believe in. (yes, to the sarcastically challenged).

anon (not verified)
How about this scientific

How about this scientific fact, ---you are a raw natural non-entity wandering a ball of rock in space ----
Thus, you are devoid of any belief structure within your own consciousness, therefore a nihilist.
Hoorah, welcome non-entity to the exclusive realm of the Dasien nihilist. Cheers ;)

SirEinzige
This is the way #39

This is the way. I would also point out that the Feyerabendian poly method to science should be the default and not the all to belief based mono method. Feyerabend is what happens when you take the findings of Kuhn seriously.

anon (not verified)
@SE

Freyerbend honestly seems pretty interesting to me, and ideas that i would probably agree with...where does he talk about his "poly method"?

SirEinzige
Feyerabend is for epistomological anarchic science

Poly methods simply follow from his prescription for scientific practice. One of the good things about his way of doing things is that you would have less longstanding institutional structures of science and something more akin to an upper dark age renaissance way of doing things. There would be less quantitative technical progress on the whole but that's a good thing not a bad thing(think the situationists and their preference for human progress over technical progress).

Big Navi (not verified)
I was using the word 'belief

I was using the word 'belief' in reference to the way someone would say that they believe (or not) that COVID-19 is a hoax.

anon (not verified)
YEAH, SCIENCE!
anon (not verified)
covspiracy

hey big brain navi, get a load of this conspiracy theorist! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/05/the-costs-are-too-high-the...

Big Navi (not verified)
Hey, did you read this part?

Hey, did you read this part? "So far, the scientific data do not support Gupta’s best-case scenario. "

Is this epidemiologist part of the worldwide conspiracy too? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/03/architect-swedens-strategy-r...

God you people are nuts. Take your hydroxychloroquine and go to bed.

anon (not verified)
YEAH, MR NAVI! YEAH, SCIENCE!

so you found a scientist who says the opposite of something another scientist says. It's almost as if science doesn't have all the answers, almost as if science isn't an infallible authority for you to appeal to every. single. time.

> you people are nuts

which people are you referring to here? everyone who has a slightly divergent position to you? your authoritarianism is showing again

anon (not verified)
Please just stop. It doesn't

Please just stop. It doesn't matter what Bellamy retweets. I don't get why y'all are so obsessed with monitoring this guy's twitter account. It's cringe and lol. It's twitter and retweets are just retweets. You spend too much time on twitter. Is there a user manual for anarchists that informs them on proper anarchist retweet etiquette by the anarchist twitter monitor association? If you not, you should write it so we can all fall in line lol. You people are cringe

TheTao (not verified)
^THIS!

it was this sentiment is the only reason i joined the conversation, i don't even admire BF much other than his critiques of civilization. I bought corrosive consciousness off of underworld amusements (**GASPS!** I SUPPORTED POSSIBLE RICHARD SPENCER FANS WITH A FEW DOLLARS **CRIES IN MORAL DESPAIR I'M SOOOO SORRY**) and haven't got around to reading it since they only have the first page of it on anarchist library.

And still nobody has shown me the link to BF's retweet about him embracing conspiracy theories....you gossip queens suck!

anon (not verified)
Christ some people are lazy:
anon (not verified)
Big Navi/Anon

Why do you monitor Bellamy's twitter account and get all hot and bothered by his tweets? You made this post on here detailing why you felt the contents of some retweeted article was wrong. I don't get why you would bother considering it has nothing to do with podcasts Bellamy has been on. Do you monitor other anarchists' internet accounts to make sure they stay in line or drama-rama or primarily just Bellamy's internet accounts? I remember seeing y'all whinging about Bellamy's twitter awhile back, so it could be a see-monkey, do-monkey thing with you specifically.

Let me ask you something. I read a book by someone you'd likely say was a fascist and someone asked me about it so I told them to read it. Does that violate this anarchist doctrine code you follow? I don't want to stray from the anarchist doctrine code and get banhammered. I don't know what I'd do

Big Navi (not verified)
Who is getting "hot and

Who is getting "hot and bothered"? Have you read through the thread? I happened to mention BF's link to a conspiracy theory site and then all of a sudden, the shit hit the fan. You're asking the wrong person. Ask all the trolls who were triggered by what I said. Then ask yourself why you are triggered.

What is this "doctrine code" you believe I am following?

anon (not verified)
Big Brain Navi

Is anarchistnews.org on mediabiasfactcheck.com's list of approved websites?

TheTao (not verified)
christ, some people are dumb:

they'll call you lazy because the previous posters on here weren't smart enough to talk about some of the details concerning BF's posts, instead they just want to say vague crap about how he "retweets conspiracy theories" or "he is a right-winger", or "off guardian bad" tell me why i have a reason to believe anything anyone posts on here.

It was fun giving you science bros a headache, next you'll get triggered about how anyone who critiques anything you say "gets triggered", clearly stripping any pretensions of my manliness away (gasp!), and then you'll also take my words and try to twist them to your purposes!

Now tell me, how does me saying that all of nearly all science is related to corporate and state money mean that i was saying "all science is funded by the state"? But you see, taking anything on here posted by an anon seriously is a mistake anyways, because that means nobody can have a coherent discussion with you, because anon is a generic identifier that supposedly just means you are part of a generic mass of idiots.

None of what you say has any factual or credible weight to it unless you can figure out how to argue with people in a more precise and less cyber-bullying manner. If you actually read the article that bellamy retweeted, they are supposably "debunking the coronavirus narrative", in otherwords, it isn't a conspiracy theorist article, it's disputing whether lockdowns are based on credible science or not, you dumb lazy fucking science bro. Whether or not lockdowns and all the "science approved" measures are justifiable or not is beyond me. As someone who's spent considerable amount of time looking up the science relating to the virus, i only came to the conclusion that i still don't know anything, and the experts are still learning about it, and i also want to consider learning about it, so thank god there are scientific/medical experts way smarter than you out there posting articles online. It is not BF "supporting conspiracy theories" as some anons and big navi have been saying

anon (not verified)
Some ppl are just fucked

ya know?

I feel like normal people with a healthy self esteem source their validation from within. Others can't do that and so they have to fuck with others to feel better about themselves. They try to put others down to raise themselves up, because they don't have that internal scaffolding to uphold their own sense of self. They have no sense of self, just a black void they try to fill with the validation of others. Some people have learned early on that they can get validation and attention (narcissistic supply) by spearheading campaigns for cancel culture; this accomplishes many things for them, including but not limited to projection; deflecting things away from themselves and onto the other person; virtue signalling, etc.

No grown adult should care about cancel culture and no grown adult should spend their time trawling through someones social media, scanning for "objectionable content".

Big Navi (not verified)
That's not what the article

That's not what the article BF linked to said, and you know it. The article is making a bigger claim: namely that the virus itself is a hoax, if not harmless, or at least only as harmless as the regular common flu. This is just flat out false, with zero evidence to support it. No science supports this nonsense. This is what makes it a conspiracy theory, because it's tied into a broader narrative promulgated by right-wing Q Anon conspiracies about Agenda 2020, population control, deep state, New World Order, etc.

If the coronoavirus is just another ordinary virus, then all the governments have been lying to us, and their move to lock countries down must be part of some kind of world wide nefarious plot by not only governments, but Bill Gates, George Soros, etc. That is the unstated, underlying subtext of the article. Glancing through the other conspiracy articles on the website, it's easy to put two and two together without it having to be explicitly said.

anon (not verified)
Prof BN vs Prof BF - who would win?

> This is what makes it a conspiracy theory, because it's tied into a broader narrative promulgated by right-wing Q Anon conspiracies about Agenda 2020, population control, deep state, New World Order, etc... Bill Gates, George Soros etc... Lizard people... therefore BELLAMY FITZPATRICK is literally ALEX JONES who is also BILL HICKS.

One of the things that makes a conspiracy theory a conspiracy theory is making links where there are no links.

TheTao (not verified)
yes 3:22 lmfao

and big navi is coming through again pretending to have a better understanding of the article BF retweeted than i do, this is what i said:

"If you actually read the article that bellamy retweeted, they are supposably "debunking the coronavirus narrative", in otherwords, it isn't a conspiracy theorist article, it's disputing whether lockdowns are based on credible science or not, you dumb lazy fucking science bro."

and yes if you read the article, it has more to do with state's reactions to the virus and the lockdown measures, and it doesn't say anything about the virus not existing, it's an opinion piece about the threat being not that bad, which is not something i really agree or disagree with, but that's what they are saying. Recognize that i used direct quotes, when someone speaks i generally do want to know what they mean, and if i make a mistake i recognize it and move on, i don't try to argue my original point if i later find it to be bullshit. That's what decent science is all about.

Big Navi, you've gotta be careful with this stuff if you want to be taken seriously by anyone. The article says nothing about Q anon. Q anon theories are way more whacky and strange than the article that BF retweeted, it's funny to me that you are so desperate to expose BF's lies but then the more you talk, the more bullshit comes out of your mouth. If you want to be a scientist then get the fuck off a news and take some science classes online, they're offering discounts given the current situation. Get an organic chemistry set and a microscope, study bacteria, stop arguing bullshit.

Errsian (not verified)
For how many more decades,

For how many more decades, nay, centuries, must we revellious nihilo-anarchs be distracted and perverted by the stasis from left/right binary discourse?
Is it not time to raise the discussion to paradigm shifting dimensions I beg of you binary obsessives? We, nay, I and those other individuals who do not comprise a group, the famous quip, " to collect is to corrupt ", is applied to my new proposal, change and adapt, or die!

anon (not verified)
"we"

speak for yourself, loser

anon (not verified)
"WE, rebellious nihil-anarchs

"WE, rebellious nihil-anarchs!" "WE, 8ndividualist insurging iconoclasts! etc etc etc"

Whats up with all this WE shit? I see it all the time on here. "Individualists" on this site are 100x more caught up in the abstracted "we" than any other political tendency I've ever encountered, even more so than the communists and socialists, apparently.

Errsian (not verified)
Agreed, its like a

Agreed, its like a totalitarian individualism, all the individuals are clones, like most Muhricans, call themselves proud self-opinionated liberal free-thinkers but they all think the same.
To maintain autonomy it sometimes helps to be 50% selfish half of the time.

anon (not verified)
Tho that's just not individualism

More like programmed egotist bigots. This behavior branches directly to a period of early childhood, and that says much on the maturity of these fascist goons and their Muh-Muh-Muricah.

anon (not verified)
Guys, stop it

I think Big Navi and their little crew of anons are getting a little triggered you guys. This cancel culture op hasn't worked out for them. Don't back them into a corner tho, it's OK. Just let them scuttle back to their safe space...

anon (not verified)
Sounds like you're the one

Sounds like you're the one who's triggered.

anon (not verified)
New Bellamy Fitzpatrick guest podcast appearance

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