Catalan parliament passes resolution declaring independence

  • Posted on: 27 October 2017
  • By: thecollective

source: https://www.thelocal.es/20171027/breaking-catalan-parliament-passes-resolution-declaring-independence

Catalonia's parliament passed a motion to declare independence from Spain after a tense debate that resulted in some opposition politicians leaving the chamber in protest.

Following a request from one of the pro-independence MPs, parliament speaker Carme Forcadell read part of the preamble from the motion, in which a declaration of independence is made.

The vote then took place, resulting in 70 votes in favour of approving the text, ten against and two blank votes.

Opposition politicians from Citizens and the PP left the chamber before the vote in protest, and did not take part.

Separatists who had gathered on the streets of Barcelona and near the parliament building celebrated as the news of the vote came in.

Attention now turns to Madrid, where the Senate is due to vote on measures to intervene in the region’s autonomy and remove the Catalan government from power. PM Mariano Rajoy made an appeal for the measures to pass earlier on Friday, insisting it was a response to "a continuous process of anti-democratic decisions" in Catalonia.

Ahead of the vote, Marta Rovira from the governing pro-independence Together for Yes coalition argued "we need a more mature and demanding culture of democracy. The debate about the constitutional process has to be constant".

Inés Arrimadas of Citizens called the vote "an attack on the fundamental values of the European Union," adding "that's why you have no support".

"Are you not ashamed to lead a political movement that excludes those who think differently?" PP MP Alejandro Fernández asked.

But Carles Riera from pro-independence party CUP insisted that Spain's constitutional framework is broken:

"It is a problem because it doesn't provide solutions for the current issue. We propose a new framework of a republic that offers democratic solutions".

PM Rajoy reacted almost instantly to the vote on Twitter, asking Spaniards to be "calm" and insisting that "legality will be restored in Catalunya".

Pido tranquilidad a todos los españoles. El Estado de Derecho restaurará la legalidad en Cataluña. MR

— Mariano Rajoy Brey (@marianorajoy) October 27, 2017

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Why is this here? Lol

Should I just submit any major news story that anarchists might care about. Cuz if so, like, maybe I'd have posted something about the recent niqab ban in Québec, from CBC even.

shadow, don't be a prick man, your comment may seem coherent to you, but it's really not the case. if you post some cbc article and it leads to an interesting conversation among us, then fuck yeah. let things go where they go. I wish i could give you an apple

A different government. in a place that wanted no govt for a very short period in history (but loved bureaucracy)

And it is very different from a government forbidding the burqua to its employees.... Which especially in the context of women being forced to wear it in SA, under threat of death by torture, is pretty fucking un-objectionable.

I understand the context in Catalonia at least as well as anyone else who "follows the story".

And, I'll put you on the record as in favour of the Québécois government's legislation, then? Which has, like, nothing to do with the point at hand?

The fact that I don't object doesn't make me in favor by default. The world is not made of "yay's" or "nay's", haven't you forgot?

As for explanation: The burqa is enforced through a political and cultural configuration that applies in States under Sharia law, like SA and the now-defunct ISIS. In itself this is one of the most blatant symbols of oppression of women. They're basically portable prisons made of fabric.

As public service workers, women working for the government are protected by some liberal yet decisive labor codes in respect to equality. You got behind you decades of feminists having fought for the recognition of these rights, that is still quite superficial. So it's a bit fucked that these advances should become suddenly void when it comes to the most retrograde interpretation of Islam, that isn't even fundamentally tied to Islam.

I'm beginning to understand why anarchists aren't very popular and don't accomplish much.

populism is a way to disavow social antagonism. Kindly fuck off.

Because they don't stand behind governmeng hiierarchies as insignificant statistics?

while the issue of catalonian independence has had plenty of anarchists commenting/participating, this particular article has precisely nothing to do with that. it doesn't even have a passing mention of anarchists, which has been the previous justification of the collective for posting crap from the MSM. i'm 100% with smoke on this.

yeah me too, I was just in a bad mood when i responded earlier

I posted this article from this source because it was immediate news that hadn't yet been picked up by the anarchist sources that I typically follow.

I'm not hostile to the idea that posting msm articles is a slippery slope into non-anarchist commentary.

To make the most of this, I'd like to pose this question: What would be different about the discussion about this event if it came from a non-msm 'anarchist' source?

Aside from many people's feelings that a Catalan 'Republic' is not anarchist, there are many anarchists who believe that this movement and the events that are unfolding this very minute are very relevant to anarchist communities and goals. There are anarchists who are at this exact moment experiencing and participating in the push for independence. Some may even be, *gasp*, voting!

There's a lot that can be said about that phenomenon that is relevant to anarchism and its tenability in a variety of social conditions other than 'this isn't anarchist' or 'this isn't an anarchist news source'.

So if you're concerned that the article doesn't contain enough anarchist perspective, maybe add some of your own here in the comments?

Maybe the collective just thought it was interesting and wanted to share it or like thought the comments would be interesting?

For a site that has banned antifa-related posts as ‘not anarchist enough’....

nothing has been banned about antifa, goofball. but antifa does not indicate anarchist any more than this mainstream media article does. just more people are likely to be confused about it. like yourself, perhaps?
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thecollective member .4

this .4 member is unstoppable

definitely confused about the relevance you saw here, other than that it's a hip anarcho tourist spot

bro, there were anarchists with guns there once.

Anarchists need to criticise everything, influence the left and resist totalitarians.

There was a Central Asian country, either Tajikistan or Kyrgyzstan, that had its government overthrown in a pretty fucking wild insurrection (that had nothing to do with anarchist participation) in 2010. A mainstream news article was posted about it. I thought, That makes sense.

There have been other times, too.

In this case, it feels like it makes less sense. It just feels more appropriate for a forum post, maybe. And I would go so far to say that, regarding the "news of interest to anarchists", this might be actively the opposite. It's an entirely symbolic event, like the coronation of the next British monarch, or an long effectively independent state (most recent example is South Sudan I think) finally becoming "officially" independent.

Also, we've obviously gone into deep meta-@news territory now, which is often annoying, but I'm okay with it this time if y'all are too.

Pretty much the only people who'll do such revolt in the region, without foreign influence.

i think it's "of interest to (hipster radical tourist) anarchists" who fly their with their trust funds or porn paychecks or whatever. seems like barcelona took over from athens as the #1 riot-tourism destination a few years ago once shit got too real there

Barcelona was 1# riot tourist destination since 1999 during a gigantic riot that erupted in response to the eviction of a squat. It then took this status away from Berlin as the hundreds of squats of East Berlin were mostly re-taken by their former legal owners (West Berlin was and still is boring and expensive in comparison). I won't spoil which cities come closely after, tho. Those who are in-the-know know about these. ;-)

Athens is definitely not anarchist-friendly, save from our well-known tiny lumpen downtown hellhole turned into something somewhat more interesting (Exarchia) but not that much a once-in-a-lifetime spiritual experience (aside than maybe for exchange students going to US universities branches or Erasmus programs, who could very easily be undercovers) or an "anarchist commune" as my competing travel agencies are bragging about.

It's been for a while, during the heydays of the so-called Greek Insurrection, but now a lot of it is mostly a bleached status quo of sexist and racist uniformity. But when you're anarchist you can't be expecting society to be anarcho-friendly anyways. I've seen it as a pretty typical tendency among people from the usual petty-bourgie castes who improvise themselves as revolutionaires or anarchists, to be expecting the whole world to be serving their worldview, like a red and black carpet rolled down in front of them at the airport. Very privileged tourist mindset, indeed.

I personally believe it's more worthy for anarchos to be hanging out in the post-apocalyptic Roma neighborhoods between Athens and Piraeus -that really is a dreamy area, for socially-nihilistic people like me- or just by the beach where the rich people are... but you'd better be taking the boat to some better place, or Rojava if committed enough.

Exarkhia has also a highly-problematic presence of full-on authoritarian Leftists, including a well-known front of the Hizbullah, who're quite influent and also affluent. Anyways the contradictions of this area are quite well-known and may not deserve more exposure.

this is totally reasonable. Not every revolution is anarchist. This isn't even really a victory, no doubt Spain has boots on the ground as we speak. It would be lovely if some anarchists in Catalan or Spain could offer their perspective and commentary here. They'd probably get trolled right out, unfortunately.

Also, are you referring to the place as "Catalan" just to bug me? Lol

I know a Catalan anarchist in a chat room but their English is not so good, I invited them to look at this site and comment here.

You've figured me out! I spent all last week scheming about how to bug you and all that work paid off. :)

there is also this from yesterday from the CGT and CNT:

Anarchists before the independence of catalonia
http://autonomies.org/en/2017/10/anarchists-before-the-independence-of-c...

You're so repulsivge in your platformism, Roccinante. You also into bed with the Appleistas cult I guess...

My second typo about Appelistas was spot-on! This is really the Apple crowd as well in US/Canada...

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