FRR Books Podcast: The Unique and Its Property by Max Stirner, a Close Reading Part 2

  • Posted on: 31 October 2018
  • By: rydra wrong

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Welcome to episode 2 of the FRR Books Podcast series on Max Stirner’s The Unique and its Property translated by Wolif Landstreicher. In this podcast we cover section 1.2.3 The Hierarchy, completing section 1.2, stopping just before section 1.3 The Free.

In this episode we discuss:

What is a fixed idea? Can we be free of fixed ideas
Is Kahar a nihilist? Is Stirner a nihilist? Can Kahar defend nihilism against Rydra’s devilish advocacy
- Can we actually abandon objective morality
- Ethics as a semantic and non-meaningful replacement of morality
- What is a self? Are our selves continuous, discontinuous, or something else
- Nev always desires to be bad and that is kind of hotttt
- We discuss essence and if we have an essence using Francis Bacon’s Scream painting and Milan Kundera’s thoughts on them
- How hard is rydra’s solipsism? Can Kahar avoid being negated by it? Does he care or is he just a tentacle of rydra’s octopus.
- Discussion of how we can trust another person with the context being them changing over time

Editing and Sound by Nev
Voiced by rydra wrong, Kahar, and Nev
Invisible Labor by Chuck
Production by rydra wrong

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Goody gumdrops! check out Olivier de Sagazan, an artist who is way more expessive than Bacon

deep armchairs, cigars and whiskey as the boys discuss the meaning of life while their women folk (in another part of the country manor house) sip sherry and bitch about other women! Oh how fine it would be to be dressed in ruffles, like a fine dandy. Is privilege real?

So when Rydra is in the ocean, there are some waves which are specifically his property and does he get pissed when someone else trespasses his wave! Even the waves are owned; no longer can they just lap against the shoreline in their freedom. Very sad. Why does Rydra even bother to read; he should stick to pictures of guys owning waves and looking cool in their ownership.

FUCK YOU! Rydra OWNS THE WHOLE FREAKING OCEAN IF HE SO DESIRES IT. That's not a privilege, if people want to own factories or fields to toil in, let them, that's part of their privileged desire. And he will share his ocean, unlike the jerks who don't share their factories or fields of toil!

Pontification - how will you three feed yourselves, clothes yourselves etc; assuming all of us are free to choose how we associate? Don't think for one second I'm going to provide you with all the basics of existence while you pontificate - it sounds that you three have already assumed it will not be you that toils in the field or goes down in the mine, or maybe you envisage all three of you foraging and pontificating as you go? Sounds as if you're all in some mindfulness group for the privileged?

Free food grows in the fields and gardens, clothes are free to be found, or else nakedness, and more people should pontificate.

Really? Deluded just like FRR And what free food is out there, there isn't people with guns saying :That's mine!' Maybe Rydra should take a gun out on the waves and shoot any fucker who 'steals his property?' Yeah, and let's be naked. It never gets cold, even at night. Kumbaya.

Rydra commenting that humans, generationally, have been bred into being slaves? Remember the foxes where contained physically and couldn't escape. Also, you are dissing the many people who have fought and died trying to free themselves. Additionally, there is the thing which real (and not a spook) called The State and it all sorts of armory at its disposal including the Courts. If people were slavish, there would be no need for this coercion, right? Even with this Might, there are those who still plot. Indeed, if you can pull yourselves away from Stirner and maybe read a book such 'The History Thieves' by Ian Cobain and sample what happens to those who challenge the Might, you will read and realise how stupid you claim that we are all born slaves is really is. Whistle-blowers are another example. The Black Panthers stood up to the Might. Somehow, you three appear to believe that by pretending, you can make it better for yourselves: all you got to do is Stirnerize your perspective and even 9-5 is doable??? So, what you're saying is my life is shit, now I have The Stirner Book to philosophically bamboozle my mind into pretending it's not really all that bad. The State has missed an opportunity here by not having this book in schools as The Tool for escapism for when you later do your stint for your masser.

If you think 3 dudes navel gazing is bad, you're gonna be very upset when you learn about the shit your neighbors are up to. Counterrevolutionaries, every last one of them.

Stirner actually takes the state VERY seriously, the quotes are all there throughout his book and his greater work. You are simply confused in regards to what real connotes. Spooks can have real consequences obviously.

What you describe in regards to the state’s armory can be summed up as the extra existential. While these things are strong marginal enforcements of the state the base of it remains rooted in voluntary servitude and belief based reification.

wonderful day at work! But we won't call it work, we can call it something else inline with Stirner emancipation self-deluding theory. Kahar should change their name to Haha

I don't know how old Rydra is but he sounds like he placed his hope in nihilism to bring him some form of peace, if you will and it hasn't happened...due to it being a lonely anti-social space. What next 'ism' for Rydra? I'm going open up a shop on the beach selling waves to surfers. And nihilism doesn't stop you from growing old and wrinkled and unwanted by this obsessive youth-looking culture. Maybe, you're on slide to wrinkley-ville with grey/white pubes and a paunch belly: not exactly what people imagine a surfer to be? Wait, let me check in my Stirner manual on how to circumvent that image happening.

There will always be a degree of " soledad" , that innate melancholy often referred to as the blues and common to all peoples, not just poor black folk , and thisse negative feelings should be embraced as the quintessential nihilist emotion, the others being glee, nonchalance, and cold indifference.
CONGRATULATIONS Rydra for daring to venture near to the edge of the Abyss and peeking over the edge into its eternal realms of freedom and connected empathy with the masses of sheeple who compromise the structure which contains it. BRAVO!

The spontaneity harnesses the will before it ruminates and hesitates, time being the thief of honest action, premediation the murderer of innocence, hark, the dogs of philosophy are baying!

I just submitted the italics for the second half of the book ("I") to the anarchist library. If you need them before the change gets approved, just ask and I'll post a link to the pending preview. (Italics are pretty significant in this text, since there's a big difference between "I" and "I", etc.)

Your changes have been approved, thanks for the edits! :)

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-unique-and-its-p...

Thanks!

Unless I missed something, I think that concludes work on The Unique \o/

Here's some trivia. Todd May, post-anarchist academic, is the "philosophical advisor" to the show. I like the podcast, but I'd argue that there's a lesson here as to the pitfalls of endlessly debating philosophy.

nonsense.
And Stirners intention was to dig it a grave, not to revive it, like you idiotis doo.
Can we be free of fixed idea is a philosophical question.
Trying to do it without knowing if another one...

destroying the philosophical edifice was Stirner’s intention. But that doesn’t imply that thinking deeply about existence or discussing these things with friends is somehow worthless. Stirner opposed philosophy as thought separated from body-life-world; philosophy as a quest for objective truth and meaning, which implies submission. He was against creating realms of reified thought and abstraction — realms of absolute spirit — in which to dwell alienated from the rest of our worlds and selves. Thought, contemplation, “philosophy” are not to be eschewed (doing so would only make them yet another fixed idea) but to be consumed, to be made our own through acknowledgement of their diaphanous nature. If you had listened more carefully to the podcast, you would’ve heard this point mentioned. And as Stirner’s text shows, the only way to begin to free oneself from the grasp of fixed ideas (if such a project is ever complete) is, paradoxically, to engage them, to reveal their fixedness, to acknowledge their fetters. So it’s ironically only by consuming the spectral and making it our own that we begin to touch the void behind it all.

That much is obvious. His project was to to destroy the impersonal reified structure of philosophy.

Marx’s answer was to replace grand narrative philosophy with gran narrative politics. That’s turned out pretty well.

There is no imperative by stirner that philosophy is something to be consumed.
For sure he consumed it in his book, and surely there might be reasons to nowadays "consume" philosophy in this sense, meaning to criticize it or negate it...
But just your intention seems to me to be to philosophize stirner, so to make his critique of philosophy into philosophy.
I mean, where does stirner speak of "body-life-world" or rather: what is a "body-life-world"? I could say it seems to me to be another spook.
If i deside to eschew philosophy and such things is alone my decision, and stirner says, his book is written for people that have to think it through, which cannot just give a damn and do what they want. Which is one kind of people (sure me i also belong to them maybe). For him (as for me) there is no value of being an educated person or being an ignorant. And this is what philosophy reproduces: philosophers, that think the mind is the utmost thing...
But mind is a terrible thing to taste with...

Clearly NONE OF YOU understand a WORD that the GREAT STIRNER has written if you aren't seeing the COMMUNIST HOODOO CONNECTION! Hi-larious spooks nerds! Do you even MASS LINE??

Mao said those who have done no investigation have NO RIGHT to speak. Funny how that SEEMS to be forgotten! If your interested in what Egoism ACTUALLY is JOIN MY PATREON TODAY and get access to magickal REWARDS to aid you in our Stirnerian LEFTIST GUERRILLA WAR against the U.S. MILITARY!

ABRA-DE-EVOLUTION, I AM the ghost OF MAX, MY HOCUS FOCUS on the mighty INDIVIDUALISTS AND THE POCUS OF POLITICAL disdain and SPELLS OF elixirs made from GIZZARDS OF POLITICAL EXCREMENT, these are my universe darlings, not the COMMIE SLUDGE OF DR BONES PATREONIC MYTHICAL SLUDGE!
Sending hugs and kisses FROM THE ABYSS XXX()()()

common law if they're so desperate to be 'free?' That would take effort, I forgot.

Do they believe in The State! Now get back to work and pretend your in control of your life. Haha Kahar.

There is no imperative by stirner that philosophy is something to be consumed.
For sure he consumed it in his book, and surely there might be reasons to nowadays "consume" philosophy in this sense, meaning to criticize it or negate it...
But just your intention seems to me to be to philosophize stirner, so to make his critique of philosophy into philosophy.
I mean, where does stirner speak of "body-life-world" or rather: what is a "body-life-world"? I could say it seems to me to be another spook.
If i deside to eschew philosophy and such things is alone my decision, and stirner says, his book is written for people that have to think it through, which cannot just give a damn and do what they want. Which is one kind of people (sure me i also belong to them maybe). For him (as for me) there is no value of being an educated person or being an ignorant. And this is what philosophy reproduces: philosophers, that think the mind is the utmost thing...
But mind is a terrible thing to taste with...

Okaaaaaaaaaay, time to flounder in your unsophisticated mindless individuality dood, we get the message, and its impressive!

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