Knocking the Boots?

  • Posted on: 9 October 2012
  • By: worker

<table><tr><td>From <a href="">We Want Some Food</a>

A Response to Mr. Riley Regarding the Bay and the Black Bloc

What follows is not an attack on <a href="">Boots Riley&#8217;s recent facebook update</a>, I&#8217;ll leave that to the hundreds of others. I&#8217;m not from, nor do I live in Oakland, I wasn't even at or participated in any of the actions last weekend, (Feminist Vigilante March into the &#8216;Decolonize the New World Actions&#8217;), however I've been out to most of the major actions in Occupy Oakland&#8217;s recent history (and been going to the bay for different events for a decade) and have many friends involved in the anarchist, Occupy, and the radical labor movements and have been very inspired by many of the actions that have come out of it. Boots brings up some interesting questions and points in his recent post; however, perhaps we are missing some of the bigger questions and possible debates that we could be having revolving around the black bloc, it&#8217;s influence, and the relation between those not involved in social movements and revolutionary militants. </td><td><img title="Everything short of the revolution is not revolution" src=""></td></tr></...

The concerns that Boots brings up can be articulated into two basic points: 1.) People aren't into the tactic of black bloc. People do not understand the tactic, and thus it is detrimental. 2.) We lack the context for our actions to have a larger reverberation.
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While I want to address these things, the questions that we should be asking, as anarchists and more broadly as revolutionaries and those against the present order are much bigger. Is there ever a right time for such actions? Are such actions sometimes just a militant version of activism that cost us more than we gain? Do we lack the context for our actions to carry weight? And moreover, why is there such a lack of proletarian fight back in the US? Is it simply the fault of the revolutionaries or are there bigger issues and forces at work?
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As to the concerns that Boots brings up, obviously the number of militants in the streets as &#8216;black bloc&#8217; is small, and generally in the bay always have been. At the same time, there is no doubt that black bloc (a blanket term we will use here for anyone in masks that acts illegally, engages illegally with property, and is confrontational with the police) has made a large impact despite its small size on the street. In the bay area, the black bloc itself is also nothing new. As the recent &#8216;anti-colonial march&#8217; on Saturday pointed out in its call-out, it drew inspiration in part from the black bloc that was formed in 1992 against Columbus Day in SF, one of the first in North America.
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A trip down memory lane first&#8230;
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During the era of anti-globalization, some black bloc actions were able to not only create dialog and discussion around the use of violence and tactics within the movement, but in some instances, push the actions of militants and activists out of the terrain of the summit and the protest, and into partially generalized conflict between people outside of the protest movement and the State. This includes when people in Seattle, as well as many militants, fought police in Seattle during the WTO meetings in November of 1999 in response to a state of emergency curfew that included National Guard troops, as well as in places like Genoa and Prague, where residents joined militants in fighting the police and joined in the looting of shops as activists stood by to guard the windows of the corporations.

During the anti-war period in the US, black blocs were able, at times, to again have the same type of effect on the movement, challenging the liberal and Leninist currents, not only over tactics, but also over organization. Militant actions sometimes were able to move discussion on the war into a critique of capitalism as well as tactics, as anarchists often targeted recruiting stations and corporations directly tied to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. In SF, black bloc actions also again, sometimes, were able to move anti-war events away from just being large marches and rallies, into actual street conflicts that hit specific targets, (as well as many other capitalist businesses) such as recruiting stations, embassies, and the INS building. While obviously this did not stop the war, it did give rise to a feeling of militancy and momentum as tactics were escalated within large masses of people. This culminated with the large scale disruption of San Francisco as the US &#8216;officially&#8217; invaded Iraq in 2003.
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In the bay, we saw the black bloc again return within the riots and rebellions in the wake of the police murder of Oscar Grant as well as within the student occupation movement of 2009 &#8211; 2011. This of course is not to mention its use in a variety of other instances, be it in clashes with white supremacists ala Anti-Racist Action, or in demonstrations against police brutality across the country.
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When Occupy began, we saw the black bloc&#8217;s return, largely in response to the camps across the country being raided as part of an attempt by the Department of Homeland Security and the Obama Administration to destroy the Occupy Movement. In Denver, St. Louis, North Carolina, Atlanta, NYC, and especially in Oakland, the debate over &#8216;black bloc&#8217; raged.
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I bring all of this up to point out that the black bloc tactic, especially in the bay area, is nothing new. This isn't to argue that &#8220;people&#8221; are &#8220;into&#8221; it, in one way or the other - I don&#8217;t think we really can have that debate in a completely definitive way. We can talk about when the tactic has been more useful however, and in what context it has been used, to different degrees of success in a variety of ways. Sometimes it has been as an intervention into wider movements, such as in the anti-globalization, anti-war, and Occupy periods, in which sometimes it was able to not only help foster a deeper critique of capital and tactics, but also to generalize, at times, deeper and more conflictual struggle with the State. An example of this would be the tens of thousands (I was there, I seen it), that participated in black bloc led breakaway marches in 2001 &#8211; 2003 during the anti-war period in SF. In some instances, the bloc played simply a defensive and strategic role, such as the wearing of masks during the student occupation movement to avoid police surveillance and for protection on the barricades and in defense of buildings or in the wake of Occupy encampment evictions. In others, the bloc was an auxiliary force in a larger rebellion, such as during the Oscar Grant riots, although its role was often over publicized, (sometimes by anarchists themselves), or overly demonized by the Left, non-profits, the media, and the State. We should proceed with a critique of the black bloc in this light. All tactics and the context they are used in need to be held up and examined, especially when they have been used in a variety of situations and in different instances, contexts, and movements, over a period of several decades.
Within Occupy, while the actions that have occurred by those &#8220;in black bloc&#8221; have never involved more than several hundreds or thousands, there is no doubt that there has been a radicalization process for many, mostly new to social movements, in part because of &#8216;black bloc&#8217; type actions that is completely unrivaled. The rebellions that occurred and led up to the General Strike on November 2nd, in part grew out of the experiences of many people through the eviction of the camp and a very real taste of street fighting and an attempt to defend/reclaim Oscar Grant plaza and later, appropriate a building. While few that donned masks, engaged with the police, and broke the law during those nights probably thought of themselves as &#8216;black bloc&#8217; or anarchist is besides the point &#8211; in doing the actions they became part of that current as they saw a need to rebel in a certain way and do it anonymously. By January 2012 in Oakland, there was an escalation of tactics and militancy leading up to the &#8220;Move-In Day,&#8221; although clearly the numbers that we had on November 2nd were not present.
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Also out of these militant actions, we saw the rise of T.A.C., or the Tactical Action Committee, who also helped popularize the black bloc tactic through weekly &#8216;Fuck the Police&#8217; marches, as well as the growth of a radical squatting scene in West Oakland, the degree in which I have not seen in any major metropolitan city in the US. TAC also was a large part of carrying on such tactics into the Central Valley, participating with others from Occupy Oakland in clashes with police and Neo-Nazis in Sacramento, CA in February of 2012 and in demonstrations against the police murder of James Rivera Jr. and Luther Brown Jr. and others in Stockton, CA in the Spring and early Summer.
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Also, I believe that the actions that followed both the police murder of Kenneth Harding Jr. as well as the recent shooting of the young man in the Mission District are very much worth noting. Within hours of Kenneth Harding&#8217;s murder, a march of several hundred formed in the Mission District, mainly as &#8216;black bloc,&#8217; and marched and targeted banks and other capitalist institutions. This solidarity action was followed up by other marches and other actions, (as well as supporting actions being carried out by those in Bayview where Harding was killed). This activity helped to create a link with militants within the Bayview neighborhood and anarchists living in the Mission District and in Oakland. As someone who saw this solidarity, it is important to realize that it was through these actions themselves that this connection was created. (This of course is also not to downplay at all the very radical actions of those living in Bayview who took action themselves very quickly, targeting police as well as transit lines.) These events were followed very rapidly by actions surrounding the murder of a homeless man while on BART, which culminated in street actions and clashes which all saw a version of generalized &#8216;black bloc&#8217; type activity with often minimal anarchist involvement. In July of 2012, protests in both SF and the Mission District were called in solidarity with the unfolding revolt against the police in Anaheim, which used &#8216;black bloc&#8217; type tactics and destroyed property. In the Oakland march, participants targeted a bar frequented by police. In the case of the recent actions in the Mission District just weeks ago, anarchists were also the chief initiators of two nights of street actions which targeted banks, yuppie businesses, and the police station. These actions came hot on the heels of a pre-May Day militant march in April that also attacked businesses on Valencia Street, becoming a very real indicator that anger over gentrification had not washed away in the 1990&#8217;s with Kevin Keating&#8217;s posters.
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In these instances, black bloc type actions helped to express solidarity and expand sites of resistance. They sought to draw people in and create a situation in which their rage could be expressed. It helped to create a set of consequences for the police, just as with the riots that followed the murder of Oscar Grant, that hopefully will dissuade police from carrying out such actions in the future as well as put them on the defensive. And, it also helped to create a link for others through action between the nature of the police in this society and their role within capitalism and as part of the process of gentrification and white supremacy.
Lastly, &#8216;black bloc&#8217; type actions have also been an ongoing facet of militant feminist, queer, and trans revolt in the bay as well. As the recent actions at Pride, against the H.E.A.T. conference, and the &#8220;feminist vigilante street marches&#8221; have shown, such tactics are clearly not been just the domain of straight white males as many would claim. Feminists and revolutionary queer and trans militants have also sought to foster militant responses to the murder of women, queer, and trans people, such as Brandy Martell, a black transwoman, who was killed in Oakland and left to die by police. In early May of 2012 in Oakland, a militant march and &#8220;Gender Strike Street Party,&#8221; comprised of many in black bloc, which was to remember Brandy and also call attention to CeCe McDonald, a black transwoman in jail for killing a Neo-Nazi attacker, was organized in Oakland that held the streets for hours and successfully gathered hundreds from the nearby Art Murmur while police looked on from the sidelines. This use of Art Murmur was again revisited in August as the city attempted to crack down on the street party by making people apply for permits. Anarchists responded by again calling for a street party which held the streets for several hours and ended with the attacking of the Obama HQ office.
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These developments: the growth of TAC, the spreading of the tactic outside of the anarchist ghetto, and the use of the black bloc by anarchists as expressions of revolutionary solidarity and as intervention into the tensions of everyday life, are much more interesting and exciting than the destruction of bank windows in any of the &#8220;official&#8221; marches or actions that occurred during the Occupy period.
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Thus, one can make the claim that &#8216;everyone&#8217; isn't into the black bloc. Obviously, some people are, they keep happening! A better question is, what are the conditions and contexts for which they make the most sense and are able to actually spread and generalize revolt? Obviously, this is always changing and sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it is offensive and sometimes it is defensive. Sometimes it is part of something else and sometimes it is called for solely us.
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Clearly, large amounts of people outside of established radical circles aren't flocking to the black bloc, but nor did those outside of the Left to the SF ANSWER march on the same day as the Sunday anti-war and anti-capitalist march that targeted bank windows. Again and again, militants and revolutionaries of all stripes ask the question of &#8216;where is the rage?,&#8217; and &#8216;where is the action?&#8217; only to be surprised when a riot kicks off in response to a police shooting or workers occupy the state capitol.
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As anarchists, we are trying to engage in actions which bring people in and help give confidence and inspire forms of organization and methods of action. This is not always easy. But in the end, at least in the bay area, we need to ask ourselves in what ways have we been effective, and in what ways have we not? Have we allowed the relatively high number of anarchists in one place in the US to let us slip into inaction when it comes to engagement of those outside of our circles? Are we more interested in just organizing ourselves than those we face similar conditions with, possible affinities, or (maybe now) live around?
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The numbers involved in each action as well as the outcome greatly affect how the &#8216;black bloc,&#8217; or any antagonistic and confrontational proletarian force, is perceived. For instance, if on Sunday during the anti-colonial/war/capitalist march called for by Afghans for Peace, similar such actions would have occurred across the country, in which similar groups of several hundred would have converged, likewise targeting banks and capitalist property and fought the police, many would speak of a new rising fight-back and a return to an anti-war movement that in the face of Obama has seemingly forgotten that thousands in the Middle East are dying through military occupation, bombings, and now more than ever, drone strikes. If this context would have been different, those in the streets of Oakland would be seen as part of a return to a new militancy that sought to stop the war that much of the Left forgot about; complacent with the election of a President that simply continued the slaughter brought on by Clinton and Bush before him.
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Imagine if across the US, similar actions such as the ones that were attempted in SF around Columbus Day were attempted throughout the Americas? Those 20, who with their mug shots plastered in the corporate press comprise a variety of gender and racial backgrounds, would be seen as heroes &#8211; with support and donations flowing their way.
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But we cannot side step the statement made by Boots without taking it seriously, even if we do not agree with it. As he writes, &#8220;The use of the blac[k] bloc tactic in all situations is not useful. As a matter of fact, in situations such as the one we have in Oakland, its repeated use has become counter-revolutionary.&#8221; Clearly the use of black bloc is all situations has not been useful, which is why it has not been used in every situation, (i.e., anarchists are involved in a variety of actions). The point moreover, is that the tactic has not always been successful, both in generating involvement from outside the hardcore militants and in accomplishing its goals during various actions. But, to write off the black bloc completely is to write off over a decade of action in the bay that has seen the generalization of struggle, the deepening of conflict, and the inclusion of a variety of participants at times.
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As the recent weekend of actions in the bay area have shown, anarchists, especially when they use the tactic of the black bloc on their own, often are isolated and easily contained and repressed by the State. While the actions over the weekend were praise worthy in the fact that they were an attempt to respond to calls for solidarity and involve the anarchist movement in anti-colonial struggles (especially when so much of the Left and &#8216;the working class&#8217; refuses to support such struggles or even keep their torch lit), ranging from indigenous people to those in Afghanistan, it also shows the degree in which anarchists have few supporters (although a very large influence) in the streets outside of a radical hardcore.
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Boots points out a difference in context between how the anarchists in Greece are seen as opposed to those in Oakland, by stating that those in Athens are from the areas in which they riot and are part of &#8220;militant campaigns&#8221; that happen throughout the year. But of course, anyone who knows anarchists well, even if they do not political or tactically agree with them knows that most anarchists are involved in publishing and propaganda, (AK Press,, the Anarchist Bookfair, Little Black Cart, etc), the running of social and community centers (the Holdout, Bound Together Books, the Long Haul), and organizing work, ranging from action against foreclosures to Copwatch to squatting homes. Clearly, anarchists have also been very much involved in Occupy Oakland and have helped to push it in a direction that other camps have not. But moreover, the context of Greece is much different from Oakland, ranging from the history of the military dictatorship, the no-go zones for police on campuses, to the crack epidemic made real by the US government and the realities of the racialized order of US capital.
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Despite the differences, it is worth noting by reading through, &#8220;We Are An Image From the Future,&#8221; a book written by Greek anarchists after the 2008 insurrection, that according to some, tactics that were used solely (or at least by and large) by anarchists prior to 2008 were picked up by others after the outbreak of the December 2008 revolt. According to the authors, it was the continuous and committed actions of anarchists throughout the years and in a variety of struggles that led to their actions having wider support and resonance within Greek society (and hey, looting grocery stores and giving shit away doesn't hurt).
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Clearly, where there has been fire, anarchists have sought to bring gasoline. The argument that anarchists in the bay area have not been involved in ongoing struggles in the area is obviously false. The degree to the quality of this involvement is open for debate that I will leave to those who live in the area.
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For many young people, both non-black youth from the bay area and Oakland itself, both from the working class or outside of it, as well as the young black youths from Oakland that I have met through Occupy Oakland - black bloc tactics have created a vortex in which many of us have the ability to meet in struggle. Hopefully out of these situations, other struggles, organizing, and action can continue. On the other hand, for many within the Left, the black bloc has been alienating. As for the &#8216;mainstream&#8217; Americans, or those within Oakland that find themselves in agreement with the Occupy Movement yet still put off by the black bloc, &#8216;vandalism,&#8217; or people wearing masks, I ask people like Boots Riley what kind of actions could be carried out which pull these people into political action yet still would represent a real challenge and contestation with the State and capital? While clearly, not everyone is at that point, we still most ask ourselves what struggles will get more people off the couch or away from their phones if not what we already have been doing.
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Black bloc has alienated many, but it&#8217;s unclear if these people would support revolutionary action to begin with, or if the working-class or poor participants (largely youths) that have been drawn in by the militant actions of Occupy outweigh those that have been alienated by it (largely less radical and older). Perhaps we will never know. But we can start to and engage in projects that attempt to meet people where they are at, and attempt to speak with conditions and frustrations that we both feel together. For those interested in such a project we are often faced with a catch-22. We want to foster self-organization and direct action, but most people are often only interested in movements that can benefit them and get them things. We have to find the projects and struggles which do both.
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For myself, a bigger question for anarchists everywhere, but especially those in the bay area, is why have we not played a larger role in the struggles that have broken out that were inspired directly by the Occupy Movement itself? I am speaking to the battle to occupy the farm near UC Berkeley, the occupation of public schools, and also the attempt to squat and form a library in East Oakland. Clearly, anarchists have been very involved in these struggles along with others since their beginnings, but if we are seeking to create situations in which more militant actions can have greater support it would seem that it would be here, in which the desire of people to take and hold space and use it in their own interests (at times) against capital, that we can find the greatest possibility.
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Two recent conversations I had with two anarchist comrades, both recent residents of Oakland, one a woman of color and the other a white male, are telling. The former, when asked if they were still excited by Oakland and its revolutionary possibilities as when they moved there over a year ago replied to a conversation they had had with a comrade in T.A.C. before May Day after they were asked if they were excited about the upcoming day of action. The comrade from T.A.C., who was heading off to help open a squat in East Oakland replied, &#8220;It&#8217;s just another day.&#8221; My friend commented that it seemed we were putting all of our energy into, &#8220;These big days of action,&#8221; as opposed to something deeper that was based around ongoing organizing and struggles. The latter friend later commented, &#8220;I&#8217;m sick of basing how good something is on the level of property destruction.&#8221;<br />
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These sentiments bring up an old tension: do we put more energy into larger events that are designed to bring in large bodies of people to do xyz, or do we spend our energy into organizing, infrastructure, or &#8216;educational&#8217; campaigns that may involve smaller groups of people? Personally, I would like to see larger events or &#8216;days of action,&#8217; come out of the struggles and organizing that we are doing on the ground, and the daily practices of class struggle we are engaged in throughout our lives. We need to build our capacity to defend our squats and radical spaces when they are evicted and attacked by the police. We need to build our capacity to respond to the State when it murders and attacks people. We need to build the networks of solidarity and support that strengthen working-class self-activity and direct action. We need to build or ability to grow our own food and solve our own problems outside of the State. &#8216;Black bloc&#8217; type activity will be a part of all of these, sometimes offensively, and sometimes defensively, as the battle for control over the streets and territory in poor and working class areas will become more and more contested.
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For those that were arrested both on Saturday and also took to the streets on Sunday, I have nothing but solidarity and support. I support those that took militant action just as I do the ILWU workers who destroyed EGT grain or those that looted Footlocker during the riots over Oscar Grant. To support proletarian action is to support proletarian action. The degree in which more and more people will be brought into revolutionary actions and situations is much more up to all people to come into conflict with class-society and their own conditions, than it is to the &#8216;revolutionaries&#8217; who wear the titles of &#8216;activist&#8217; or &#8216;anarchist.&#8217; If we are able to meet these others and link up with them and aid their struggles, making them ours, is up to us.
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Clearly though, for anarchists seeking a strategy which spreads tactics and ideas of self-organization and direct action without simply trying to &#8220;make people into anarchists,&#8221; we do need to think hard about how we go about such a project. We should be wary about trying simply to organize ourselves and only speak to each other &#8211; for it is exactly when we reach outside of our radical ghetto that we become the most powerful and the most influential &#8211; as well as the most subversive. Many will agree with me that there is more possibility in attempting to expand and deepen the existing struggles and tensions within class society, than an endless progression of days of action called for and attended by ourselves alone.
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Having said that, to the comrades facing jail time and fines, beaten by the SFPD, can we give them anything but love and support? Slandered in the media, demonized by much of the Left, and cast out by former comrades, these people heeded a call for a day of action in solidarity with Native and anti-colonial struggles and decided to risk their freedoms and take to the streets. Such a desire is as noble as it is revolutionary. For those that question their tactics, I ask only what you would suggest in their absence.
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Black bloc type actions will not cease &#8211; they will continue; across the world, and especially in the bay area. More and more, proletarian activity, as it comes into conflict with the State and its police forces, will continue to look more and more like black bloc activity, although more and more, hopefully it will refuse to identify as such. At the same time, more and more, those engaging in such tactics will care more about defending territory and neighborhoods than breaking the cars of someone within them. We will care more about looting grocery stores than trying to find the one bank window on the street that will break. We will care more about physically taking out the infrastructure of the State than we will about symbolic property destruction. We will spend more energy defending what we have from the State while at the same time expanding our occupations, squats, gardens, forms of organization, and associations. If we are to continue in our revolutionary project, this will be something forced on us by present conditions at one point or another. The question is: can we ready ourselves now for what is to come?
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More and more, riots and full on rebellions will be a recurring response to police violence and repression and collective acts of rebellion will become more conflictual and seek ways to stay anonymous. For revolutionaries, we must seek to deepen these situations, to make them more subversive, and connect the seemingly disconnected nodes of class struggle that exist. We will not be able to call for the day in which the halls of power are stormed, but we can help to create the affinities and relationships which can help us maneuver in the coming terrain. As the economic and ecological crisis deepens, the need for total social revolution and the complete destruction of capitalist civilization is needed now more than ever.
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Someone that has not yet run out of bullets, but will still continue to grab rocks.


Too many words. Not Enough Smashy.



I found this analysis and recap of events surrounding black bloc very interesting. Not boring and keeps you interested in what will be said next and very relevant to what I'm thinking just about all the time. I totally agree that if we want our mobilizations to include more than just the common folk and the usual out of towners then we got to get organized and build relationships so we have a deeper level of understanding and reaching out of your neighborhood to people in other cities will get you the goods. People feel isolated because a lot of anarchists are regionalists and dont like anybody from out of town or working with people from out of town. The last time I checked, capitalists worked in tandem reaching across borderlines for maximum effectiveness. I support the idea of an underground Bay Area anarchist cluster comprised of affinity cells that reach out and welcome working with anarchists else where and coordinating squatting actions, foreclosure defense, building occupations, general strikes, food coops and yes facilitating anti-capitalist marches. I've been waiting for this a long time. We can do this with or with out OO or OWS. General assemblies will be essential to facilitate and expand the anarchist cluster of affinity cells. Anonymous count of affinity groups to measure progress of a growing cluster would have to remain anonymous. Security culture is essential.

Keep it underground. Don't advertise when and where general assemblies will be held. Keep it secret so no one can infiltrate. Solidarity with those arrested and maybe nest time when we're more organized you'll have a much bigger block to defend you from pigs. It's a work in progress. Toodles :)

It does look like some penny-a-word phenomenon. Gotta love it when the analysis is ten times as long as the original article.

Sometimes it seems a society gets the dissidents that it deserves...

The event critiqued here was a paragon of the silliness and frivolity of the adolescent-oriented anti-authoritarian subcultural identity phenomenon that generates stunts like this:

that's why we must become responsible and build the workers party and create the serious gulags EVERY society's dissident deserves!



In America, commies like you are the biggest losers.

And that's because in the face of oppression, you don't do a shit, you scumbag!

really dig this piece.


"We will care more about physically taking out the infrastructure of the State than we will about symbolic property destruction."

The state is a social relationship, not so much just an infrastructure. That seems like misplaced Marxist materialist analysis, at least of a certain sort that apparently seeks to escalate the struggle to a more spectacular proportion. Surely a happy medium can somehow be found alternating between everyday life and insurgency within the mass spectacle.

Property damage is not symbolic but rather it directly apposes capital by imposing monetary damages, not the least of which includes the costs for security and policing for future events.

This is Boots.
I don't have time to answer this thoroughly.

You falsely conflate my critique of particular black bloc tactics in Oakland with a critique of anarchists in the bay area in general. Many anarchists in the bay area share my critique- as I have stated.

TAC has been there since the beginning of OO, they are my friends. If you're implying that bb tactics got them involved, I would disagree that that is what got them involved. Whether they use bb tactics or not is a different question. By the way, I know the answer to this, but how many of them do you think there are? You seem to be implying that there are a lot of them.

Publishing an anarchist press, and running an anarchist space is not engaging with the community in the struggles that they are involved with. Books that are published from those presses are on my shelves, but are unknown to most of the people of Oakland.

The question is, what has historically worked in successful revolutions of the past? Is there anything at all that we can learn from them?

If you have a situation where a crowd of 50 POC- that are very influential and well liked in the community- are coming out of a club yelling and cussing at the march because of 3 or 4 people that they heard are smashing car windows- then you have a problem with that tactic. They wanted to fight the march, but didn't because I was there (2 of them said this to me later). This was a crowd of DJs, some who I had recruited to stop their parties on the friday and saturday before the November 2nd General Strike to urge people to be part of the general strike. So- people that are popular in the community, that WERE on our side, but are now not.

You have a situation where a Black man jumps out of their car and chases white kids (they were young)- wanting to fight them- who have just thrown stuff at his car. Many people watching, choosing sides in their head. If I was 19, even with internationalist principles, I would have sided with the Black man. That's how it is in Oakland.

Your unwillingness to catch this before its too late is missing a historical opportunity.

Look dude, if you're saying people shouldn't attack random cars, we all know that. You're not saying anything remarkable. If someone in a black bloc gets out of hand that doesn't mean they represent that bloc, much less every bloc. You should have spoken to the overenthusiastic person on the spot, reminded them to focus on legitimate targets. No need to make a grand statement on the internet about strategy and tactics.

However, you seem to be saying that you don't want any more blocs in Oakland, period, because "people don't like it," it's "white kids" who don't belong in Oakland, they ruined Occupy Oakland and derailed the revolution etc. Sorry, these arguments aren't gonna fly, they're stupid and obviously false. People don't resist for lots of reasons, if they say it's because they can't handle broken glass, they're full of shit.

Anyway no one is saying just black bloc and nothing else, but yes sometimes we're going to need street presence, conflictuality, anonymity, to attack certain targets, fight cops etc. If you want to talk about "revolution" well yes, every revolution has had these things and more leading up to it. Actually revolutions have always been preceded by far more violent and extreme (and sometimes unpopular!) actions than breaking windows.

"Actually revolutions have always been preceded by far more violent and extreme (and sometimes unpopular!) actions than breaking windows."

You couldn't be more right about that anon.

"If you want to talk about "revolution" well yes, every revolution has had these things and more leading up to it. Actually revolutions have always been preceded by far more violent and extreme (and sometimes unpopular!) actions than breaking windows."

Not the kind of revolutions we want.

Well, anarchists came closest to achieving something like what they want in Spain and the Ukraine. I'm not saying those are models, the environment is obviously much different today, but neither do I think the revolution we're fighting for is going to be some peaceful, blissful harmony achieved when the propertied classes look into their souls and realize we're all brothers and sisters. At the very least we're going to have to scare the shit out of them. Back in the day, there were bank robberies, bombings, assassinations, guerrilla war, people showed up to demonstrations with rifles etc. It was class war. Hopefully we won't have to go there. It would be nice if we could overthrow the ruling classes with just a little vandalism. But to think you can fight capitalism without literally fighting is absurd.

I do not believe in the 'close' revolution. Also, I am unconvinced that an anarchist revolution would look like the "overthrow [of] the ruling classes."

"I am unconvinced that an anarchist revolution would look like the "overthrow [of] the ruling classes."

Interesting. For well over a hundred years, and for all the major anarchist thinkers, militants, groups and movements, that has more or less been what "anarchist revolution" means. If you have a different conception, I think it's probably not anarchist. If you're against authority, hierarchy, the state and capital, that means "the ruling classes," or some terminological equivalent. If you think the Spanish and Russian attempts weren't "close," may I ask why? Tens of thousands of anarchists thought they were fighting for an anarchistic revolution, it would really surprise me if somehow you knew something they didn't.

Yes. Lets be real. Whatever the actual background is of the folks that are masked and doing the shit, they are viewed because of the mask as White by Black folks. That should be enough in and of itself that the Black community in Oakland basically views it as White kids and so therefore will not unite with it.

Why can't they get 3 or 4 Black kids to do it? It would be a whole different thing if they did. Some would complain, but not the same average everyday Black folks that dont like it now. Not liberals. Not bourgeois. I don't know, but it's somewhat telling. Its my personal feeling that they dont have the relationships with Black folks to even engage in a healthy dialogue. And thats the biggest part of the problem. The folks prone to doing the shit so far are people who stick to their own tribe or click or whatever and don't know many Black folks in Oakland. They could. They just dont do the work. And its a racialized problem. Many Black folks in Oakland have nationalist tendencies. Hey could be radicalized, but it wont happen with folks they perceive as masked up white folks coming through. This is basic shit.

What if the Zapatistas hadnt listened to the people of Chiapas when they told them that what they were doing wasnt working? That New Years day wouldnt have happened.

Ive publicly espoused support for certain blac bloc tactics in the past, like using helmets and shields to push past police in Oakland. Similarly, ive been in brawls with skinheads and nazis that we didnt identify as blac bloc at the time, but were very similar.

Im just saying that this isnt working here and now. Its mainly because- in this situation- people who have no understanding of the terrain are mechanically applying this tactic.

To be almost emotionally tied to a tactic and arguing for it even though you dont know the terrain is dogmatic.

To write anyone off as "liberal" who thinks the tactic doesnt work, is just stupid.r

That last comment was by-Boots. To clarify- if the mask wearers were Black, itd be obvious.

So let me get this straight: if you're not "obviously" Black, you must be white? Okay.

Seriously, Boots, why do you assume there aren't at least 3 or 4 black kids doing the smashing (if not more)? And, if everybody, wearing a mask is white, what would it matter? Or are you suggesting that they should not wear a mask? If so, that's insane. Why should 3 or 4 black kids should open themselves up to years of prison time for the sake of making the blocs seem organic to the community?

And, in any case, you seem to misunderstand how these work? Black bloc are not organized in advance by some central committee in which roles are assigned. It's not like people are being recruited beforehand to perform particular acts of violence. I know this may be hard to understand from your Maoist perspective, but that's just not how shit works. People decide on their own to show up and start smashing on shit.

I don't assume. I was there. I saw eyes, eye color, skin tone, and heard voices. I still could be wrong about them being White, technically. But they weren't Black, and most of the community would think they were other than white.

boots, there were easily 3-4 black folks in black bloc in that march -- not to mention latin@s and **arab women in hijabs smashing windows**.

side note: upon leaving the march, i observed a young black woman laughing uncontrollably upon seeing the obliterated windows of chase bank.

(Not Boots.)

The big issue with bank windows, for me, is the people with kids who might have been downtown having supper or just enjoying the day when all of a sudden.

The banks probably don't care; hell, they can afford to wrap the whole planet in glass. But yeah, then there's the adrenaline/amusement issue, and that can get out of hand, which is what concerns me about our school kids here getting drawn up in the frenzy. Don't like the idea of teenagers winding up with rap sheets for some broken windows.

less bad to have a rap as a kid than as an adult

And how brave of the OO invaders to keep reminding Oakland children of that.

When adults throw a party, and youngsters show up, it's on the adults to look out for the youngsters' well being.

This is Boots. Dude- there were no Arab women in Hijabs smashing windows. That's a flat-out lie. There were Black folks in the MARCH- yes. I was one of them. If there were others there weren't more than a couple. That's not my point. I'm talking about the ones doing the smashing. They were white.

Bank windows being smashed is thrilling to me too. But the point is that Black Bloc is racialized, partly do to lack of campaigns around standard of living issues that would allow the community to know the folks.

I didn't see the arab women from where I was in the march, it's true, but others I know and trust did. and I know POC who blocked up this weekend, and saw others I didn't know.

Yo, shut the fuck up about the alleged races of people who may or may not have done shit. You a fucking cop now too?

Ha ha ha. If the cops know that it wasn't Muslim women in hijabs, they will know to look for the white kids! SECURITY CULTURE! SECURITY CULTURE!

"The question is, what has historically worked in successful revolutions of the past? Is there anything at all that we can learn from them?"

Yes, indeed, these revolutions have almost always involved riotous mobs breaking shit. How those mobs are formed is another question. All kinds of projects have led up to that, but in every place where stuff has popped off in the last year, there is a history of small scale conflict with the state.

The point is nobody knows how to make a successful revolution, especially not in this day and age. But the successes of what happened in Oakland last year are, in part, due to people who participate in black blocs, who engaged in all other kinds of organizing projects...

And what is that you're doing that's so successful in organizing "the community" and "the working class"? I notice that the actions over the weekend were able to get a few hundred people. What about you? How many people are you "bringing in," Boots? How's the fast food worker's union going? What's your strategic analysis of the way you allowed the ILWU to use Occupy as a bargaining chip in its abortive struggle with EGT and a fellow union? Did that produce a big uprising? Did it put us in a stronger position?

Is this a debate about smashing cars or black blocs? 'Cause you seem confused. Perhaps we can all admit that smashing up cars is going to alienate people. I even think hitting luxury cars is dicey...

Still, it needs to be recognized that everything alienates people. Truckers jumped out of their trucks and wanted to fight people during the port shutdown. The difference, however, is that we had lots of people doing the work of trying to explain why the port shutdown was valuable, even *if* some people are alienated.

Alienation is a given. Trust me, Boots, you alienate plenty of people with your celebrity ways and your desire to act as an Occupy spokesperson. You alienated people during the port strike by playing the leader and bossing people around. This is the nature of things. We alienate each other.

Never stated that I thought there were a lot of people in TAC, I do think that they have had a large influence, both in the bay area and by coming to the Central Valley where I live. It was in the streets that I met them, so that is my personal experience.

I think publishing and running spaces can obviously be apart of community based struggles, although I would state that most anarchist publishing in the bay area is not aimed at all at people on the ground nor are many anarchists interested in connecting with them (a major problem). I do think anarchists have been involved in a variety of community struggles and organizing campaigns, ranging from supporting those arrested after the Oscar Grant riots (Oakland 100, etc) to foreclosure defense to Copwatch, etc. Again, I don't live in Oakland or the bay, so the quality or degree of this involvement should be gauged by others as I stated.

As for your experiences on Sunday, in regards to either a large group of well known DJ's and artists getting angry at people breaking car windows or a young gentleman who wants to fight a crowd of 'white kids' because they threw stuff at his car - you'll find no disagreements with me - that shit is idiotic.

I think this type of engagement with people in Oakland or the targeting of cars shows that there are definitely some people within these circles that are more interested in finding anything, something to attack than using tactics which building confidence, solidarity, and combativeness within the poor and working class.

Having said that, as I pointed out in the essay, I don't think that 'black bloc,' either carried out by anarchists or simply as a popularized method of action in a variety of situations is going to go away anytime soon. In part because the tactic has been generalized to a certain degree and in part because material conditions will demand it. Also, like I wrote throughout the piece, there are a lot of instances of black blocs being used in good and successful ways.

I don't think that whether the black bloc alienates people from Occupy is the reason in which a 'historical opportunity' is being missed now or not. I do think that anarchists need to grow up and really ask themselves if they want to build another scene for a year or two or actually be involved in the creation of a social current that can connect with poor and working people in Oakland and the greater bay area.

The terrain of struggle is going to have to expand in a variety of ways; people are going to come into conflict with capital and the State on a variety of playing fields. The workplace, their neighborhoods, against evictions and foreclosure, in prisons, etc. Some of these struggles are already popping up and we can look toward them for inspiration, others have yet to come.

good post commie food dude!

lol what material conditions demand the black bloc? The one where cops immediately know which people to follow and arrest because of their uniforms? k

O come on guiez, chris hedges settled this 4 us already. why we still talk?

Yes, I did do that. So move on already, OK?

Et Tu Boots, eh?

Boy am I glad I don't live in America.
Sorry Sorry Sorry. Bottsy is alienated and delusional. How very sad that all the good boojy bay libruls who buy (bought?) his albums have their collective panties in a jumble and send Mr. Boots, their cred-man to publicly wop water on the anarchistas.

Here's a clue:

The capitalistas approach the problems, life and concerns of people like me with a scorched earth policy. They spend their entire time on earth trying to pen, impoverish, stupify, corral, mind-fuk, neuter, handcuff and destroy me one and only life. And when I return their sentiment, brick for brick, then I am going too far. Alienating the ungodly over-privileged 'Murkan bay of booj. God forbid.

Here is another clue, friend:

The history of American class warfare is brutal and unremmitting.
Why, you ask, are the capitalista overlords trashing everything that even whiffs of anarquista? Because in the past the anarquista perpetrated total war on the booj and the booj was scared and sh*t changed for the better.

(Read): Luigi Galeano "I am a terrorist for my class." Delivered a horse drawn fertilizer bomb to the steps of the NY Stock Exchange and blew it up.

(Read): "It was after the practice of arson on so large a scale that half the city of Bristol was burned to the ground in a single night, it was because more and greater violence and arson were feared that the reform bill...was allowed to pass"

(Read): Martin Luther King "Why We Can't Wait"

and on and on and on...
Y'all pick y'all's tactics. I'll pick mine.

America is still obviously an over-privileged fascist fun house when the big social "critic" in the house defers to the pathologies and cowardice of corporate fetishists.

Good Day

^^^^^This comment fucking rocks!

"Boy am I glad I don't live in America." Oh yeah, and America's crying a river over that loss, short as we are of whiney know-it-alls.

Seriously? People writing from other countries, now, to accuse Oakland of being delusional about Oakland.

Do you WANT to see a pile of asswhipping up and down Telegraph Avenue? I do not, and those of us who live here DO have priority opinion on that issue.

Some of the OO kids coming in here, though, ARE alienating the community, and I'm getting that pretty soon, it won't be the cops chasing them out of here.

I'm really curious what this "community" is that has a problem with banks being attacked and anti-war marches. If we're talking about random cars getting smashed, I get it, that should stop. But it seems like it's really just the black bloc itself that this supposed "community" hates. Is this like the construction workers who beat up anti-war protesters in the 60s? Just because a lot of Americans are pro-war, pro-private property doesn't mean we should stop black bloc.

Boots seems to imply it's hatred against whites and outsiders. OK. I'm not convinced people should stop protesting the Afghan War and hitting banks because other people are nationalist, making false assumptions (black bloc = all whites), xenophobic, territorial (Oakland "belongs" to them) etc.

The bank windows are your straw man.

What we have are people, just like the people in your community, who are trying to get through the day without a lot of noise and broken glass and rocks flying at them.

As to your pro-war assumptions, have you ever even heard of Oakland before today?

I think you're the one with straw men. So black blocs in Oakland are throwing rocks at random people? If true, that's despicable, but I'm confident you're just making that up.

If you're saying we shouldn't protest because it bothers people's daily routine, or it's too noisy . . . well you really are just a pro-war conservative, even if you don't think so.

Fair enough, because if one of you brats ever comes at my car when my granchild's in the back, I will cap your little ass.

'To be almost emotionally tied to a tactic and arguing for it even though you dont know the terrain is dogmatic.'

Aint that the pot calling something something....I think that's how that goes ;).

To be so emotionally invested in creating blanket generalizations about racialized people as an aggregate within Oakland, while simultaneously creating unfounded blanket generalizations about both those whom are engaged in said tactics understanding of the spatial terrain upon which they revolt and the racially based categorization under which said individuals are placed (not by themselves of course), is telling of Boots' affinity for grasping for power and the sense of self-entitlement that comes from that.
Homie, you're a few months too late; Hedges already went nuts with this dogmatic rhetoric!

!! Or I could just reread his Facebook post 19 times.

What about if I DO want people to randomly attack the black bloc and vice versa?
What if any breakdown of the social peace is preferable to reading shitty analysis about the what-ifs and could-bes online?

Anyone who's marched in the bloc knows the knee-jerk hostility it always encounters. There's really not much interesting stuff you can say about it. Random person (of any colour) watches black bloc trash stuff and reacts emotionally with fear or anger and little actual analysis, tries to grab or punch one of the bloc. What happens after that depends on who is more prepared?

Anyway, black bloc militants aren't really supposed to be doing friendly outreach are they? (although individuals in the bloc sometimes choose to do so) If I want to have a friendly chat, I buy someone a drink. I don't mask up and bring my gear.

I think a big problem here is people (anyone!) taking a maoist pseudo-celebrity, who makes his money off revolutionary rhetoric, seriously.

"if you got beef with the c-o-p
throw a molotov at the p-i-g"

This is Boots. If I fucking wanted to make money I damn sure wouldn't be rapping songs that get people excited about making a revolution. I hardly make shit and have had plenty of chances to sell out and make a lot more by saying less.

This shit is barely paying my bills. And usually it isn't even paying my bills.

I was an organizer first, one who was tired of the sectarian bullshit and wanted to engage large numbers of people.

You have a tired excuse for a brain.

And I guess the quote is because everything i rap about is supposed to be applicable at all times in all situations. Stupid.

The following statement is completely inaccurate:

" In the case of the recent actions in the Mission District just weeks ago, anarchists were also the chief initiators of two nights of street actions which targeted banks, yuppie businesses, and the police station. These actions came hot on the heels of a pre-May Day militant march in April that also attacked businesses on Valencia Street, becoming a very real indicator that anger over gentrification had not washed away in the 1990’s with Kevin Keating’s posters."

I went out at dawn on the Friday and Saturday mornings after the recent "two nights of street actions" in SF's Mission District. Not a single brick-worthy window on the ever-more repulsive hyper-bourgeois Valencia Street had been bricked. Not one.

These people were capable of getting together an angry crowd, and for reasons only intelligible in the context of their ongoing manifest self-absorption and irrelevance they did not use this as an opportunity to make the rapidly gentrifying Mission an unfriendly place for bourgeois invaders.

Clearly these two-night "riots" had no credible anti-gentrification content. The pretext for the events was the police shooting of an alleged gang-banger, who is alleged by the cops to have been packing a Tec-9. Perhaps the cops are lying. The cops often lie. If they are lying, then their lie on this score will not remain a lie for long. But whatever the case may be on that score, the two night "riots" had nothing to do with the galloping dispossession of the wage-earning class from the Mission District, anymore than the earlier April 30th episode of acting-out event has anything to do with any credible direct action-based opposition to the gentrification of the Mission.
(For more on that, see my earlier link above, "In San Francisco's Mission District, The Black Bloc Breaks Windows and Fails to Make an Impact.")

Your scene, the anti-authoritarian subcultural identity phenomenon of the SF Bay Area, has done absolutely nothing to contribute to any kind of credible sustained public resistance to the gentrification of the Mission District; this would require an adult-type attention span and a capacity for sustained commitment that the people in your scene clearly lack. For instance, circle-A-sceneters have a self-styled "anti-capitalist" space called Station 40, situated at the virtual ground zero of the most public face of Mission gentrification, near the high-end restaurant zone. Station 40 has held numerous public events of some ostensible spiky nature all throught the current phase of Mission gentrification, including a public appearance by members of France's one and only 'Invisible Committee,' but somehow your scene and its scenesters have never had it together to do something as simple and basic as hold a public meeting on the gentrification of the Mission at your scenester space.

I've been in two for-real riots, in DC on Nov. 27, 1982 and on the UC Berkeley campus at dawn on April 7, 1986. I am no Ghandhian, and although I can't claim that the two riots I was in were "anti-capitalist" events I can honestly claim that both were authentic expressions of small-scale social revolt against what passes for life in American society. I'm happy and proud to have tried to contribute to both events -- but I don't try to offer them as the most effective form that an opposition to cntemporary market society can take, let alone the only possible form.

I've been around the anti-authoritarian scenester-scene in this part of the world for a solid 30 years -- if this wasn't online you would now see me blush with shame at that. Year in, year out, your scene generates no sustained, credible, public collective manifestation of what the circle-A-scene claims to be about. This was especailly evident with the Mission Yuppie Eradication Project of 13-14 years ago; many scenesters passivly sympathized, but few got invovled, and none got involved for very long. And more importantly, none launched comparable or better working class-oriented direct action efforts of their own. In your scene they never do.

Your scene has been psychologically annexed by the core pathology of market society -- it is all about being entertained. Nowhere is this more in evidence that with incresingly stupid Black Bloc actions; the one that began at Justin Herman Plaza with a big banner that said "AFGHANISTAN WILL WIN" (win what? Rule by the Taliban? Just because Al-Qaida waves a black flag it doesn't mean you should return the favor)

The Black Bloc stuff doesn't communicate anything to mainstream working people, other that an impression that the kids who enegage in BB tactics are going through an unpleasant phase and cannot be taken seriously.

Kevin Keating


ok, that's it. Boots Riley Kevin Keating cage fight NOW.

I second this post.
- David Graeber or Barack Obama or someone.

I thought it was a luxury car belonging to some rich fuck that got attacked? Why be friends with people like that? Boots?

Yup, class trumps race kiddies.

Without dismissing all the legacies from notions of white supremacy, I can still vandalize fancy cars that don't belong to white people.

One time, this total corporate whore screamed at me in his ancestral language (and then english) about how I had to learn his ancestral language before I'd achieve the moral footing necessary to dare to criticize him, none of which has much relevance to the fact that he was a corporate whore but it kind of sounded like a rebuttal if you're a fucking idiot.

If you're going to trash cars, do it in your own neighborhood. Hell, then when you're caught, and Occupy raises all your bail money, those thousands of dollars will go toward YOUR local police department.

I DO trash cars in my own neighborhood and lots of other's besides.

Hold on, hold on:

"the one that began at Justin Herman Plaza with a big banner that said "AFGHANISTAN WILL WIN" "

Did that really happen? Really?!

"AFGHANISTAN WILL WIN" Yes, this was the clarion call on one of the two large banners at the start of the march at Justin Herman Plaza. And what a surprise, there's no acknowledgement of this fact on various accounts of this utter debacle of an event, elsewhere on this site or elsewhere on the internet.

haha that's embarrassing

I seriously can't even tell if this is actually Kevin Keating or if this is a really funny keating troll. Either way, brilliant trolling.

SHUT UP KEVIN KEATING SHUT UP. god i'm so sick of you white sausage dicks and your property destruction fetish. pregnant women are getting stabbed by gang members in broad daylight on valencia, fuckhole. cos it's so fancy here and we need to get back at that cupcake shoppe with a big ass brink cos thats going to stop capitalism and then we will all lives in peace with sausage fuckhole men running the streets like maniacs. SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP. your all idiots.

Just went through the tweets from Mr. Boots. He sent them all from France, where he is pimping his tired self to upper crust frog people while totally ignoring French cats like Robespierre, Diderot, Prodhoun and DeBord.

I hope sincerely that Mr. Boots is met upon his return with eggs, tomatoes and moldy cottage cheese.

Va te faire foutre, monsieur Boots

To whit:

"their million and millions of loyal followers are fucking stupid.

They choose to be. You don't like me calling them stupid? You're afraid it might not "win them over?" First of all, I'm not trying to win them over. I'm trying to disassociate myself from evil. Secondly, you're wrong--it probably will win them over. Because they like it. They respect the boot in the face, rudeness, a show of force, a raised voice...

Or you don't like me calling them stupid because it's unkind and illiberal, and oh, how can I be so elitist? Cry me a river: they are stupid.

They've been calling me an elitist snob for many years now. Fine. I'm an elitist snob, f*ck you very much, you mouth-breathing bloodthirsty f*cktard bigot..."

And before you all start tut-tutting kindly and rushing to my side with cups of tea and handfuls of Prozac and loving advice about therapy, vitamins and exercise, hear me out. OK?

You're good people. You're educated. You don't watch Fox News. You don't listen to talk radio. You, simply put, haven't the faintest idea what we're up against...

Browse their sites and comment boards and then come back and tell me you can reach them, educate them, live in peace with them. Or that you want to...

They have no skills--they don't know how to DO anything...
--all they know how to do is talk on the phone and play golf and sell each other snake oil. Their only skill is sales. They pollute the air they breathe. They borrow money from China to buy cheap crap from Walmart, which it gets from…China.

...We don't need them. They need us. Time to make them realize it.

You can say, "OK, Moira, if you're so smart, how come you're not rich?" And I'll tell you two things: first, my ideal of happiness and comfort is not rooted in grubbing after money. And second, because I'm an artist and that means I have spent my life providing service, entertainment and comfort to right-wing fucks who then spit on me, revile and mock me, call me a traitor and a terrorist sympathizer and a communist and a "Massachusetts Liberal" like that's an insult, call me childish and naïve and blah blah fucking blah. Who kick me when I'm down. Who will beat me and jail me as soon as they think they can get away with it.

Let's give them some of that Shock and Awe they love so much."

Paraphrasing the late Mr. Steve Gilliard

So Oakland, of all cities, is in need of shock and awe?

Was anybody shocked by how few people attended the Occupy Oakland birthday party the other day?

No ... occupy is dead.

This is Boots and you're an ignorant asshole, spreading lies.

I'm in Oakland, not in France. I leave to Europe tomorrow. Why? To try to pay my rent. I'm a working musician. I have to perform to make money.

And you have some fucking great analysis there, insinuating that there is no working class in France. The place where they have general strikes every other year. The place where anarchist trade unions are powerful. The place where they have riots by POC every time you blink.

Yeah. Shut the fuck up you ignorant fuckwad.

I just put out a video for a song by The Coup called "The Guillotine" and somehow you claim I don't know about Robespierre.

The truth is, I said: "Some tactics are not applicable in all situations". And since I dared call into question a tactic that comes under the umbrella of Blac Bloc, I have blasphemed.

Therefore, due to lack of a credible argument against my basic statement (yeah nitpick some statements that don't have to do with my main thesis) and a basic loathing of critique ("Don't tell me how to do my shit!"), you make shit up.

To the only thing you said that was based on an idea that I actually put out there:

Working class people also have nice cars sometimes. Every longshoreman I know, except one, has cars as nice or nicer than the ones that got trashed. Nurses and teachers sometimes have them. We fought for those folks less than a year ago, but now we're saying we'll fuck up their cars?

They are working class.

What's missing is a class analysis.

Middle class or upper class people shouldn't flaunt their wealth/success in public. Especially at a time like this. It's kind of a slap in the face to those who have to struggle. I wouldn't want to be caught defending these people or their property. I personally dislike their kind and their skin color doesn't disqualify them from receiving the same treatment because that would be racist. I successful capitalist is a capitalist middle class or high class makes no difference. One is less of an asshole than the other but both remain assholes at the end of the day.

*A successful capitalist

This is Boots. A class analysis is one that realizes there are really only two classes working class and ruling class. there are divisions among the working class, but they are still working class.

the "lower class", "middle class", "upper class"- is a bourgeois analysis that confuses from a revolutionary class analysis. Herein you have some of the problem.

So ... to clarify. You think this march went down the wrong street and had to talk your friend out of punching out one of us skinny white kids. Duly noted.




"I personally dislike their kind and their skin color doesn't disqualify them from receiving the same treatment because that would be racist. "

racist red flag

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