Patreon Caves to Tim Pool and the Alt-Right, Bans IGD

  • Posted on: 1 August 2017
  • By: thecollective

from igd.com

On Friday July 28th, Patreon, a crowdfunding company based in San Francisco that allows people to make monthly donations to various projects, artists, and musicians, took down our account. At the exact same time, Patreon CEO Jack Conte released a ten minute video which touched briefly on the banning of IGD as well as Canadian Alt-Right media personality Lauren Southern’s account only days before. Interestingly, Conte, who himself has a Patreon which brings in 4K a month and is part of the musical group, Pomplamoose, stated in the video that Lauren Southern’s actions led to her being banned, that Patreon and Conte support “free speech,” but then went on to state that an article that IGD republished (aka speech) led to us being kicked off the platform.

Despite the picture painted by Conte, Patreon has deactivated our account due to pressure from the Alt-Right – full stop. As we will show, Patreon has acted with a complete lack of professionalism; it not only broke under pressure from the Alt-Right but moreover used information handed to them from a group which openly embraces white supremacy and fascism, and lastly, it has sent a message to everyone that uses and donates on Patreon, that if you piss off the Alt-Right, you might be next.

Patreon and the Alt-Right

Over the course of the past six weeks, It’s Going Down has been the target of a sustained campaign by the Alt-Right which on Friday culminated in the shutdown of our Patreon account. As we’ve previously documented, it started when a Hitler-praising, “Pepe the frog is not a racist meme” troll posted a story attacking IGD that was then picked up and run almost verbatim by Fox News. Other Alt-Right sites jumped on the fabricated-outrage bandwagon and IGD got some love on two more Fox News segments, including one on Watter’s World, where a pro-Trump troll “BG Kumbi” posed as a ‘member of antifa’ and the author of an essay that had appeared on IGD.

A week later, a “bounty” was placed on the “transnational IGD crime syndicate” by the Alt-Right’s dumpster fire of a crowd-funding site, Wesearchr (known most for stealing the money of those who donate and also for raising over 150K to cover legal fees for neo-Nazi Andrew Anglin of The Daily Stormer), promising thousands to those who contributed to attempts to dox editors of IGD. Guess speech isn’t free!

Additionally, picking up on murmurings from the intellectual powerhouses at 4chan’s /pol/ board, neo-Nazi organizer Nathan Damigo published an article on AltRight.com, the website run by white nationalist Richard Spencer, calling for a campaign to get Patreon to shut down IGD’s account. If there is one thing the Alt-Right is good at it is sweaty-palmed trolling and the call reverberated widely, with its own #DefundAntifa hashtag.

This call was also boosted by Kyle Chapman, aka “Based Stickman,” who took to the campaign a step further, claiming that Virginia shooter James Hodgkinson was a ‘member of antifa’ based on the fact that he was a part of several anti-Trump Facebook groups, and IGD was connected to that, or something so…Defund Antifa! This is ironic, because not only did these Facebook groups Hodgkinson was a part of have nothing to do with anarchism or antifascism, but that Kyle Chapman not only likes and promotes violent neo-Nazi groups on social media, but is a part of various Facebook forums that include white supremacists.

But the campaign particularly picked up steam when Patreon removed the account of white nationalist Lauren Southern on July 20th. Southern was raising funds to join Defend Europe, an effort headed by white nationalists in ‘Generation Identity’ that have purchased a boat to physically block the rescue of migrants and refugees in the Mediterranean Sea. Just today, it has been reported that the Defend Europe boat is in hot water, after they used forged documents and are accused of engaging in human trafficking.

According to Media Matters:

Defend Europe, an anti-immigrant group that attempts to disrupt humanitarian search and rescue missions in the Mediterranean Sea, recently chartered a boat that was stopped in a Cyprus port, where several members were arrested for forging documents and engaging in potential human trafficking.

The members were stopped in and deported from a sea port in the self-declared Turkish state of Northern Cyprus Thursday after spending two days in detention for document forgery and potential human trafficking of 20 Sri Lankan nationals who were aboard the C-Star, the campaign’s ship. Turkish Cypriot authorities deported nine crew members, including the ship’s captain and a German “second captain” believed to be neo-Nazi Alexander Schleyer. The authorities also transferred the director of the company that owns the ship, Sven Tomas Egerstrom, to Greek-controlled Cyprus for further questioning.

That Patreon would not let Southern use its platform to raise funds to try and kill some of the world’s most vulnerable inhabitants gravely offended the delicate sensibilities of the Alt-Right. Southern fanboy and fellow traveler Tim Pool – best known for fleeing Milwaukee out of fear of Black people and being a bald 20 something who chooses to still wear a ski cap throughout the summer – jumped into the fray with a video claiming Patreon was hypocritical for banning Southern but not IGD. Ian Miles Cheong, now writing for Tucker Carlson’s website, The Daily Caller, also rallied to remove IGD from Patreon. Around the same time, IGD editors received word that Tim Pool was reaching out to Patreon CEO Jack Conte in a personal capacity, in order to get our account deleted. The “how can Patreon ban Southern but not IGD?” talking point spread and on Friday, July 28th, Patreon obliged by shutting down our account.

The move by Patreon to shut down IGD can only be understood as a capitulation of a major corporation to the Alt-Right, and this isn’t something that should be easily brushed aside by anyone. Furthermore, if anyone still had any illusions that Tim Pool is either ‘neutral’ or a ‘journalist’ who just happens to hang out with all of the same neo-Nazis and members of the Alt-Right he gives a platform to, we hope that this incident further shines a light onto what side of the fence he is actively a part of. Tim Pool is not a neutral party that is fighting for “truth” or “journalism,” he is an Alt-Right troll who goes to bat for his white nationalist friends who also sign his checks.

Complete Lack of Professionalism

The same day that IGD received an email that our account had been removed, Patreon CEO Jack Conte released a ten-minute video to explain the decision. He framed the video as being an innovative example of tech company transparency, emphasized that the decision to ban Southern and IGD had nothing to do with politics, and that the fact both were banned within a week of each other was merely coincidental.

This is total and complete bullshit. IGD was banned as an act of appeasement to the Alt-Right. Behind the gimmicks and wonky terms about “manifest observable behavior,” the entirety of Conte’s video is an attempt to pacify the trolls. The vast majority of it is dedicated to explaining in detail and with ample video, photographic and text evidence as to why Patreon banned Southern – clearly in the hopes that her supporters would be convinced as to the validity of Patreon’s decision. The brief section on IGD’s banning mentions two articles that were reposted on IGD, and involved minimal explanation and not even a screenshot to accompany it. Clearly, Conte was not concerned that the intended audience would need convincing that IGD should be banned, because the intended audience was the Alt-Right.

It’s worth noting that the two articles on IGD cited in Conte’s video are ones that were identified by Alt-Right sites such as Anime Right News and Far Left Watch and regurgitated by morons such as Tim Pool.

CEO of Patreon reaching out to talk with Alt-Right troll Tim Pool.

Thus, Patreon’s rationale for banning IGD was provided by the Alt-Right and duly recited back to them by Patreon’s CEO. It was also the Alt-Right who established an equivalency between Southern and IGD. In his video, Conte again plays their tune, lumping IGD – a news website – with a white nationalist dedicated to the drowning of Black and Brown bodies in the Mediterranean, all to placate a group of racists who think dead refugees are a great thing. The only innovation Conte has made with this action is setting a new low when it comes to pandering to the whiny outrage of white supremacists. With behavior like this, is it any wonder so many people hate techies?

Email from Patreon’s “Trust and Safety” Team.

When IGD first learned of the campaign against our Patreon in June, we reached out to Patreon and offered to address any concerns they might have. At the time, they said they had none and we were all good. Despite this attempt to open a dialogue, a few weeks later they banned us out of the blue. They also did it on Friday afternoon (the best time of the week to avoid media attention) and at the end of the month. What Patreon did is the equivalent of firing you without notice and to top it off refusing to pay you your wages from the previous month. Oh – and then the CEO of the company making a video about why they fired you.

What kind of company is this?

But Why Did Patreon Drop Us?

Patreon has selected two articles that they say violate their standards. Both are reposts from other websites and are not authored by IGD and are stated as such on ItsGoingDown.org.

The first is a short article published this month about a GOP official with ties to neo-Nazi groups. In the post, it includes an image of a flyer that includes the person’s phone number and email. According to Patreon via email:

“After creating a Patreon page, any Creator caught in the act or convicted of … malicious doxing … or encouraging others to do the aforementioned harmful activities may be banned from using Patreon.”

Is IGD guilty of “malicious doxxing” for giving a platform to people in Texas trying to expose someone within the ruling party of the United States as connected to white supremacist groups? How is this outside of the realm of what a news website is supposed to do? How are we by simply including a photo of a flyer that includes a phone number and email also by extension promoting anyone to do anything? According to Patreon we are, but then again Patreon also got its information from those same white supremacists, so you be the judge.

Second, Patreon took offense to an anonymous communique that was submitted to Puget Sound Anarchists and then reposted to IGD. In the article, a group of people claimed responsibility for manipulating wires on train tracks to send a message to a train carrying fracking equipment that there was a block on the tracks. They claim to have then poured concrete on the tracks but only after sending messages to the train that there was a blockage, causing the train to stop. The stated goal of the people carrying out the action was not to cause any harm to the workers, but simply to stop the train literally in it’s tracks. It should also be noted that this article is from April of this year, about two months before IGD even joined Patreon.

According to people like Tim Pool and the Alt-Right however, this action amounts to “eco-terrorism,” a term used widely by the FBI in various investigations into ecological direct action groups in the early 2000s. According to Patreon:

“We don’t allow funds to be collected for organizations that promote, forums that distribute, or anything else that primarily facilitates harmful or dangerous activities.”

Obviously such language is meant to be vague and this works in Patreon’s favor. As a news website, IGD is often attacked, by both liberals and the Alt-Right, for giving space to the kinds of things other news websites do not report on. Overall, our very existence is meant to give space and a voice to social movements, struggles, and acts of rebellion which are seen as anathema by many across the political spectrum. At the same time, is a group of people that are taking action against fracking equipment by stopping a train newsworthy? Yes. Is stopping a train through the use of illegal tactics controversial? Of course. Is such an act violent, harmful, or dangerous, even if the stated goal is not to injure people or use tactics which could do so? Depends on who you ask.

Simply, the result of Patreon’s actions appeal to a false sense of neutrality by playing into the larger American politic which equates the anarchist movement and the anti-capitalist Left with the far-Right. The two are not one in the same, and the actions of Lauren Southern are not the same as IGD. How Patreon arrived at their conclusion was influenced by politics but also a newly invented tech ethos: Manifest Observable Behavior (MOB). This reliance on data as ‘truth’ is thought of as a new way of being neutral while skipping out on ethical questions.

But one thing is clear, by Patreon drudging up a two month old article that was spoon fed to them by the Alt-Right, it shows a lot about the people who are running Patreon and their desire to find any reason to kick us out.

Patreon Working with the Alt-Right Should Serve As a Warning to Others

To be crystal clear, Patreon is home to a host of Alt-Right projects, media websites, and organizations. As Mother Jones wrote:

The rival crowdfunding site Patreon has been more welcoming to these voices; it now hosts Rubin, Cernovich, Southern, Baked Alaska, and a number of lesser-known figures such alt-right sci-fi novelist and video blogger Brittany Pettibone, who, like Chapman, was booted from GoFundMe for violating its terms of service.

This includes media outfits who openly work with neo-Nazis groups such as The Red Elephants, Alt-Right Vlogger Tara McCarthy, white nationalist speaker and livestreamer Baked Alaska who will speaking at a neo-Nazi rally on August 12th in Virginia, as well as AltRight.com author Brittany Pettibone, who along with Lauren Southern is currently taking part in the efforts to attack refugees.

Clip from Livestream of ‘The Red Elephants,’ an Alt-Right media website with a Patreon account.

Just like as Berkeley police arrested and filed charges against antifascists at the urging of 4chan, or as universities around the country have punished professors for expressing views that differ from white supremacists, Patreon is the latest institution to pathetically cave into Alt-Right pressure. While several of our comrades rely on Patreon, we urge everyone to consider if they want to utilize and support a platform that folds so easily to the gaseous bile emanating from the Alt-Right sewer. If they can do it to us, they can do it to you.

A Message to Our Supporters

IGD has been around for more than two years and we have only utilized Patreon since May. We’re not going anywhere. The frogs may be beating off onto their swastika shaped lily pads over this, but truth be told we were fundraising much more before Patreon, and will continue to do so afterwards. In short for everyone that has reached out to us, thank you, but even if every avenue for finding a way to monetarily sustain this site was destroyed, we’d still do this shit for free.

And there are still several ways you can support us. If you value the work we do and want to stand in solidarity with us against this wave of Alt-Right attacks, please consider donating or picking up some merch if you’re able. We have also have a brand new web store, allowing you to make monthly donations. Please do so here.

More importantly, keep organizing and fighting back where you are, and keep sending us more content to grow and expand this project.

Contact Patreon and Jack Conte

We urge supporters and readers to contact both Patreon CEO Jack Conte as well as Patreon directly. We have two simple demands:

  • Pay us our money from July. Patreon shut down our account literally one business day before the billing cycle would have ended. We demand that we receive our payment from the month of July. To add insult to injury, when Patreon kicked off Lauren Southern, this is the same thing they offered to do for her. In an email they wrote to her:

It appears that you are currently raising funds in order to take part in activities that are likely to cause loss of life. We have therefore decided to remove your page from Patreon, and paid out your final balance of $95.00 to you.

  • Allow us access to our Patrons data and contact information. Currently, we have no way of sending rewards to Patrons or sending people within our network an email explaining what has happened or how they can choose to support us in the future. The fact that Patreon has their system set up like this should also serve as a warning to everyone that uses the service.

Email Jack Conte and Patreon Script:

Dear Jack Conte,

I am writing because I am disgusted that Patreon.com and you as the acting CEO have bowed to Alt-Right pressure and dismissed ItsGoingDown.org. Currently in the United States, the Alt-Right is growing on social media and promoting a worldview that is pro-genocide, anti-Semitic, and seeks to create an all white fascist State. Groups that are giving a platform to oppose these views are under threat from the Alt-Right, and by parroting their talking points, you are helping them silence anyone who speaks out.

I demand that you both pay ItsGoingDown.org for the month of July, which they would have received only a few days after you decided to bow to Alt-Right pressure, and also give them access to their Patrons info.

What Patreon.com has done is not a good look. By kicking off IGD you have put a target on the backs of each and every person who uses Patreon.com to potentially be kicked off should the Alt-Right troll army decide that they are next. Do you really want to be known as the company that gives in to neo-Nazis and white supremacists?

Email:

Jack Conte: jack.conte@patreon.com

Patreon: support@patreon.zendesk.com

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Comments

Is IGD actually surprised in being dropped? Patreon has the authority, you (IGD) don't! Your whole modus operandi is based on understanding power, right? Patreon make the rules and you follow them, simple. YouTube, Facebook, PayPal et al do the same... this is the freedom of the internet you all talk about... you know, how it's made it possible to fight back! Now you know where you stand.

I think YOU need to get real. Listen to yourself, "Patreon has the authority, you (IGD) don't!"

Seig HEIL !

Isn't authority what we're against? Apparently you aren't. You seem to view authority as some kind of "freedom of the internet".. When IGD dares to complain about Patreon, you tell IGD to "get real".

Wow, what an absolute fucktard.

Oh my god, I'm fucking dying. Idk if this is a troll or your serious, but either way I am thoroughly amused, so thank you.

Patreon isn't an anarchist project, it's a thoroughly capitalist entity based around Silicon Valley micropayment "disruption". The poster you're replying to isn't defending Pateron, they're calling IGD fucking morons for thinking that appealing to their morality would be effective in any way. When you build your entire platform around power structures you have absolutely no control over or say in, you cannot expect me (and most of the people here, I would guess) to do anything but laugh at you when that backfires.

OMG what a complete fucktard. So you actually think IGD doesn't know that Patreon is a capitalist entity? Really? Wow! Gosh, every single funding platform is a capitalist entity but IGD somehow thinks Patreon isn't? This tells me more about YOU than it does about IGD.

And apparently Patreon DOES respond to morality since the whole fucking reason they deplatformed Lauren Southern and IGD was for political (i.e. moral) reasons, as IGD pointed out.

Next time, try and read the artilcle before responding.

Of course IGD knows, I was responding to the parent comment who apparently was not aware of this, given they think IGD is being served with some kind of injustice here, instead of the reality of "corporations are the enemies of anarchists". Unless you're implying the parent comment was IGD, in which case... LOL.

>political (i.e. moral) reasons
You can't be serious.

Just unbelievable. So you don't view being ripped off as worthy of doing anything about it? If all corporations are the enemy of anarchists, and anarchists should never interact with enemies (even when it seems mutually beneficial for a specific purpose), then I presume you don't buy anything from any business, and don't use money EVER? Gosh, I would love to be able to live in that world. How do you do it? What's your secret to being so pure?

Yes political reasons are often moral reasons. Too confusing for you?

muh Patreon tho!
guise?! srsly tho
muh Patreon!

moralists are always gonna impose the Anarchism means you cant get money from things related to it rule.

Boo hoo! It's the internet stupid.

So Patreon defunding anarchist groups is "boo-hoo"? What if it were the government doing it? Would it still be "boo-hoo"?

You're on the side of crushing anarchist groups! Glad we cleared that up.

There's an igd.com? I think I saw that on anews.org.

IGD want y'all to beg Patreon with a letter. WTF! Dear oh dear, you big bad ass anarchists, now get to grovelling from crumbs. I don't fuckin' think so. There's nothing mutual when you shake hands with the internet oligarchs such as Patreon The Patroniser. Now, shine my shoes.

Right, don't fight the power....whimper before it!

Anarchists should never join together to accomplish anything, and they should always do what they're told by internet oligarchs. Anarchists should never use the tools of the master to help free themselves. They should hamper and constrain themselves whenever possible to maintain moral purity!

is this not the most embarrassing thing that has happened for an anarchist project ever? This is infinitely more embarrassing than all the liberal projects combined. Holy fuuuuck. Is IGD this stupid or do they just want money? Is it possible that they actually expect something from some random business in America? If it wasn't obvious before, this clearly shows that IGD sees themselves as good people and good americans who "deserve" things like a patreon. Wake up sheeple, we deserve nothing and we only get that which we take. The fact that you idiots consider yourselves insurrectionist anarchists is truly horrifying.

are they idiots really complaining about the professionalism of patreon? a freaking corporation? is this real life? how can IGD be such whiny little shits

Not nearly as embarrassing as your comment.

Why shouldn't IGD expect Patreon to live up to its end of a service they provide? IGD can "take" what they "deserve" by putting pressure on Patreon to reinstate their account. Is this too complicated for you?

i forget at which part they are at all anarchist? Do we trust businesses now? Does an anarchist project expect fair and good treatment from its enemies? Only if it is totally irrelevant, which IGD is. An anarchist is against the state, or so that's what I heard once in a book. Why would an anarchist expect anything from the state or the corporations? Do you understand that anarchists and the state are not friends or civil? Do you not see how a post like this shows how bankrupt a concept like revolution is? The government and its politicians have NOTHING to worry about from anarchists, when one of their bigger projects is involved currently in a letter writing campaign to patreon for a few hundred bucks. could things be any bleaker than this? This is so hilariously naive and embarrassing it's hard to actually engage with. IGD thinks there is a sweet compassionate anarchist heart beating inside every american that is not in the "ruling class." this is also an embarrassing and hilariously naive conception. A letter writing campaign to patreon? jesus christ man. how low can we set the bar?

What the blue blazes fuck does that have to do with this article? Patreon is not the state.

Get off the crystal meth!

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

"Hey guys, let's build our anti-capitalist, anti-statist project on the good will of a capitalist entity and contract law! Wait, why aren't they playing nice?!"

I was shopping at a supermarket tonight and got overcharged for an item. So I went to the customer service desk and got refunded the difference.

Oooooo...I'm such a bad anarchist! I should have just not bothered to try and solicit the goodwill of the capitalist store! I should have just bent over and taken it like a good little pure anarchist!

hahaha settle down @news, IGD doesn't want YOUR help obviously. Even their masochism has limits...

Emails sent.

Thanks, will encourage others to do so.

I like how IGD is taking every troll-y comment very seriously and responding to all of them anonymously.

Go for it with the Patreon and all, obviously, but complaining about "professionalism" is pretty silly, guys. The most "professional" thing a US corporation could do is drop you and your riot porn like a hot potato.

I love how you think every comment you disagree with is being posted by IGD. That's adorable!

You should be on Info Wars.

bitcoin, or whichever cryptocurrency, solves this problem

But bitcoin is also capitalist!!!! Ewwww.....evil...evil! Repent!

Can you seriously not see that the criticisms being made here are of efficacy, not morality? I.e., it's not "This is what you deserve for using capitalism!", it's "LOL you thought this would actually work." The fact the title of the comment is "as much as I hate to admit it" should have tipped you off to this.

Efficacy? Cut the nihilist bullshit. The criticisms here are one of 'Well, what did you expect? Boo-hoo, don't expect any sympathy'. In other words, IGD deserved to get defunded for being so deluded into thinking they wouldn't be. You are simply hiding your real moral contempt behind practical attitudes. Just like authoritarian law and order types who say, 'Well, what do you expect when you disobey cops?". What they really mean is that you deserved to get arrested and beat up. They merely cloak their morality behind a veneer of prudential logic.

including snark and also real criticism. but you insisting that people are your enemies is both paranoia-inducing, and a crappy, mnipulative argumentation style.

Lol fucking what? "Don't expect sympathy" and "You got what you deserve" are two very different things. I would rather see IGD's continued existence than their collapse. That doesn't mean I can't laugh at them for doing stupid shit.

"Don't expect sympathy" and "You got what you deserve" are two very different things"

Um...No. They. Aren't. They both come from the same underlying psychological category of judgement known as contempt. No sympathy = not caring. Not caring is NOT the same thing as wanting to see IGD's continued existence. You're not fooling anyone.

How is taking donations "stupid shit"? They got some money out of it good for them. Sure they got a little irrationally angry when they got dropped and they shoulda seen it coming(they did), but whatever.

'Well, what did you expect? Boo-hoo, don't expect any sympathy'

Yeah what did they expect? Didnt they see this coming? Why even tell people about it? They should just pick up another shift wherever they work and act like it doesnt suck.

IGD have a failed model and their adherence to Patreon was the ice cream topping. Like I should care that these elitist militants have got snobbed by the hipster shitlord who runs Patreon...

you're a useless shart who doesn't have a better idea

a shitty rebranded ultra liberal version of tumblr? Reblogging other leftist articles under the banner of anarchy with almost zero anarchist content? Then asking for money to run your tumblr? sweet idea

Don't forget the shitty, heavy site template, and impossibility to comment.

"Ultra-liberal' is a good way to describe those people, indeed.

yeah seriously. ultra liberal. Anything liberals do anarchists can't do. No chasing nazis out of the trans pride or tree sitting or whatever. There can't be any crossover or @news trolls wont believe your anarcho-clique street cred. Its all about taking credit for murders you didn't do, writing long anti-civ essays about the sexuality of rocks, and like running FNB, ABC or whatever.

Which anarchist model isn't a failure? IGD are 'elitists"? Yeah, because elitists are always being ripped off by funding platforms and beaten up by neo-Nazis.You sound like an alt-right troll.

Wow, what an idiot. Go back to Breitbart.

"Victims can't possibly be elitist!"

It's... beautiful.

Guess I'll have to break out the crayons and draw you a picture. IGD are not elitists for the simple reason they aren't wealthy and powerful, are a marginalized group (apparently even within anarchist circles) and are not in a position to do much beyond begging to get their money back from....a real elitist.

Give that a think.

"Which anarchist model isn't a failure?"

I don't recall any real-life anarchy project or practice, brought with serious intent, that failed out of its own defects by design. Political repression has made several of them fail.

Probably your issue is that you've never really EXPERIENCED any practical anarchy so what we got more bitching about stuff you don't know of?

Good work on the usual far-right straw-manning. Never misses the opportunity when out of arguments, right?

So you don't have an argument confronting the question 'Which anarchist model isn't a failure'?

Thought so.

Good work on the psychobabble ad homs. Never misses the opportunity when you don't have an argument, right?

...is quite contradictory with anarchist perspectives, Dr Anal Retentroll.

Modelling falls within a rationale of predefining, designing and planning that inherently relates to one form or another of hierarchical framework that is instituted by the collective, while negating the spontaneous and sensitive individualities.

Without such frameworks, we're talking about MODES, not models, which relates to codes and structures that can be freely defined either personally and/or collectively. The mode leads to free-form where the model is a kind of engineering.

The ball in is your camp... you're the one who first shitted some one-sided and unfounded claim about any anarchist "model" being a failure. Then when somebody (me) tells you they had a quite different experience of this, you're asking for... arguments.

So substantiate your first claim or stfu.

IGD knew the risk I assume? They took a gamble and lost. Patreon don't have to have IGD or anyone else on their books and Patreon don't have to provide an honest reason. The Trial by Kafka. Lesson learned, hopefully? Yes, the internet is run by oligarchs. Possibly means anarchists may have greater impact building face to face by offering real, not virtual, friendship to others? These oligarchs will shut projects down. The internet is not a free space. It is a controlled space. I am just shocked by the naiveté of IGD, begging letters and all. Let this be a warning to all you anti-state, anti-hierarchy projects online: that your efforts can be shut down anytime. Your enemies would not be your enemies if they happily let you carry on. IGD, maybe you were getting noticed and so you had to go? Go to court and plead your case? Really? No. So what does IGD do next as you will not be ALLOWED on Patreon. What if Fakebook throws you off too? Carry on without your donors? Use PayPal if money is necessary? Set up a credit/debit card page? Accept cheques to a PO box? Take control and find a more secure way? The internet does not really work for anarchists.

You're right, but there's also the funny part that there are online services and hosts which are unlikely to be shutting down online anarchist media projects, but for some reason, this weird high-profile IGD crowd -who may just not be anarchists- have chosen some of the worst means and strategies of internet mediation. They coulda just taken bitcoins...

Says the commenter...on...the...internet.

Priceless!

Fuck me, I'm surprised no one thought of this: "Read all about it. Read all about it. It's Going Down is going down." I'm just too fuckin' smart. Hey, send your spare dollars in my direction, creativity costs!

IGD please listen to Aragorn! and Ariel discussing anarchy url and anarchy irl and maybe some of the stick IGD has received in this thread may hit home? Friendship, particularly long time friendships (through thick and thin) is the real basis of mutual anti-hierachy. Patreon does not hold the values of IGD and isn't a dear friend. What's happened here is a wake up call to us all, especially IGD. Can you imagine if the voice of anti-corporation anti-state started to swell online, there would be a reaction: to shut it up by those that own the means of communication. China and the VPNs recently. UK is always nervously fidgeting over the internet to kill off any ideas contrary to statism, capitalism, cronyism etc. The sooner 'anarchists' realise that change comes about through people caring for each other via long term friendship the better. An empathetic close friend is more potent than a distant 'anarchist.' There are no convenient short cuts. Fuck Patreon. Work around it, IGD will be stronger for it.

Using that logic, holding noise demos for prisoners should also be scorned and mocked. "The state is your enemy! What did you expect by protesting on public (i.e. state) streets, sidewalks, etc. Begging the state to free prisoners! Pffft....how naive!

Uh, do demos and parades (oops protests) achieve anything other than make taking points? Yes, you can let off steam. Most people turn away and don't want to engage. Sad but true. Look how many turn out to see 'grand' political and religious figures (oppressors) compared to people who want real change, not just bigger cages. Most people who 'protest' want to keep the state, hierarchy and representational democracy. As soon as you smash the window of a corporation or hit a cop, you become enemy of 'the people.' I understand black bloc etc but many fear freedom! Damned if you, damned if you don't. Prisoners, how many wish they could turn the clock back?

Different commenter but as always, you make a total ass of yourself by even asking that question. Not YOU specifically, but every bubble-dwelling snarky dork ever who's so ignorant of radical history that they think asking "Do demos achieve anything?!" is insightful.

Noise demos outside of prisons work. The people inside feel slightly less shitty. mission accomplished. seriously.

and generating talking points, shifting narratives, are like OK goals too.

or we can sit around waiting for shit to generalize while complaining online.

Yes, and how many wish they could turn the clock back? Demo by all means and for a short while prisoners feel less shitty. What does going to prison achieve that's my point.

"Noise demos outside of prisons work. The people inside feel slightly less shitty. mission accomplished. seriously."

ROTFLMAO !!!!! That's an extremely low bar for a definition of 'work'. People inside want out, not to feel good.

You just don't understand what you're up against, and don't have any kind of a threat model.

First, you're captain obvious and then you're just an idiot. It's called a noise demo because it isn't a jail break. Why are you so fucking stupid? Punch yourself in the balls while asking yourself this question.

You said noise demos 'work'. Work, how? What is the point? Making someone feel good? That's it?

And we wonder why we're not any closer to anarchy now than we were 150 years ago. I guess all we want is to make people feel good. ROTFLMAO!

Like I said, you have no threat model.

i was going to try to explain something to you but since i sincerely doubt you can even fathom the concept of solidarity can i just second the suggestion to punch yourself in the balls

If you'd use your brain and maybe read a little, you'd understand that social order and the State are completely conceptual abstractions, even if their prison bars and walls aren't. Hierarchies make people accept the pill more than forcing them to take it.

So it is about winning the "troops morals" more than just going full Rambo and release the prisoners like dangerous gangs tend to do, yet never release the prisoner from its mental prison.

You're expecting North American anarchists to turn into brigades, then get their hands on Apache choppers and construction trucks to use to break in the prisons and free the prisoners!?

Not only you're expecting a lot from others (or do you have any potential for anything better than what's being done?), but not really thinking about the practicability and long-term efficiency of such a strategy.

De-funding the prison system and reducing criminalization is what can have decisive effects on taking down the prisons. But only elect State officials have the power to do this, but maybe not much latitude for it.

So what's left for the rest of us?

No, I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of glorifying mundane and extremely low-risk, safe, actions that produce zero practical results. But even worse than that, characterizing these kind of actions as 'working', as if they were planned and executed to achieve some kind of a tangible goal, when clearly they don't. It's classic Dunning-Kruger. Patting ourselves on the back for getting one over on the man, when absolutely nothing has changed. Whatever goals or outcomes that are supposed to have 'worked' are always extremely vague, or of such tiny insignificance that they are almost laughable.

I don't "expect" North American anarchists to turn into brigades, I expect them to continue to work mindlessly at doing what they've always done.....nothing. At least Marxists have the courage of their convictions and understand practical results. In the 1960s, groups like the BPP broke comrades out of prison, sometimes even successfully (e.g. Assate Shakur). I'm willing to bet that if someone in those guerilla groups had suggested doing noise demos, they would have been laughed out of the milieu.

Nowadays, it seems anarchists have low expectations, and even lower ambitions. Let's just break windows, throw rocks at cops, do noise demos, and organize bookfairs. Because they work! After all, if your goals are simple and low-level enough, and easy to carry out, you can claim to have actually accomplished them! Victory!

Yeah, basically you came here to post a rant about something neither of us are capable of because you're cultivating a snarky air of superiority. Go get shot by the cops douchebag, show us how it's done, eh? ;)

Yeah, because that's what I said, anarchists should go out and get shot. Any other straw men you want to add?

What you said was asinine so I'm mocking you. Assuming you're the same person who's been posting a bunch of self-satisfied crap about how jail support is meaningless unless you're breaking people out of jail or your real gem!
- That most people don't want to be in jail!!! -

You're not insightful at all. You're a fucking idiot unworthy of serious engagement in discussion.

Why is it so hard for you to understand that this has nothing to do with purity or whatever? Streets and sidewalks don't refuse to service you. If IGD could find a way that makes it *likely* that Patreon would fund them, sure, whatever works. But hosting an anticapitalist site then crying when capitalists don't support it is just fucking laughable. Again, I can safely assume sidewalks won't toss me because I don't support the state. But when you're placing your faith in active agents who you are direct contention with? What the hell do you expect?

Lol...obviously my analogy went way over your head. Either that, or you're deliberately trolling.

Sidewalks and streets won't toss you, but the government responsible for them will. Capisce? Don't make me break out the crayons again.

Speaking out about Patreon's actions is no different from speaking out against any other corporate or state action. Laugh all you want, it just shows what a cowardly precious snowflake you are. Stay in your mom's basement and keep sneering at other people's projects. I'm sure that will help bring about anarchy.

I don't normally come out and vigorously defend IGD, in fact, I've been somewhat critical of their narrow struggle. And some of their rhetoric is indeed embarrassingly liberal ("Patreon is being unprofessional") or even downright communist (red star, or hammer and sickle iconography). But when fellow anarchists are under attack, I reflexively feel sympathy and want to come to their aide. We can all be united against a common enemy while still holding deep disagreements. The Right seems better at being able to do this than we are.

Getting high too much on gross externalizations like this can allow for a lot of capitalist interests to infiltrate, corrupt and fuck up your "struggle", because in the first place you've been looking too much at this spook as the antagonism to where you redirect all of your inner demons.

And as long as it ain't "Right", it's alright, right? Nothing like paper-thin political morals focused on externalities to make the sickness last forever. It's after all what these political bandwagons -Left and Right- have been doing for quite a while, greasing the cogs and wheels of civilization in the process.

If you don't see the legitimate, tangible threat from the loose conglomeration of far right tendencies polarized and emboldened by the trump election, that only says things about you. Spare us your sanctimonious pseudo-psychology crap.

As of today, both the loose conglomerates of Far Right as well as the totalitarian Left are working hand-in-hand -even if in conflict with each other- to bring out more ideological polarization. Just like the Obama/Hillarous regime and its vast crowd of liberal supporters, as well as their foreign counterparts, haven't already been helping polarize the Far Right as some pseudo-anti-establishment movement with a drive to take power.

You really got a funnel vision rooted in political dichotomies. Who's being sanctimonious here?

You completely changed the subject and then acted like I was denying something about the new topic? Your framework is also kind of wonky and paranoid but your main problem is wild conjecture about the political terrain and the people you're talking to … and you're still the sanctimonious one ;)

wait, wheres the hammer and sickle? IGD's founder used to be a tankie so Im not suprised.

Tankies tend to remain tankies even when they stop (openly) associating with tankie groups.

But could you share this person's identity if it is already widely-known, as far as security culture goes? This could help me understand what's been going on behind the curtain with these shadowy characters.

gonna need receipts on this.

But these anarcho-leftist fellows were NOT under attack... that is the misinterpretation here. They were denied a private service for which they applied for, due to the blurry ToS of Patreon, or way it is applied. That's part of the ridiculous with this whole drama queen show.

Go back to Earth... no one got attacked here. When they get SWAT teamed and detained by the FBI for their online activity, then you can say that.

But this, here, is batfuck insane, and APPARENTLY there's some people in the IGD crowd who're living in some schizo-paranoid fantasy.

If you don't wanna be indexed and shut down by capitalist resources or outlets, avoid them and do your own resources and outlets, or instead just choose those that are the least likely to censor you.

Tho... just wanted to add that it's equally blurry on the part of the IGD crowd whether or not they wanted to avoid censorship, or just were expecting it, within some master plan to grain more attention upon themselves in the mainstream. Some so-called radicals also make a virtue of being blurry, even with comrades... tho I don't think they are as clever in being like this as they believe.

Just received a response from Patreon....

"Thank you for reaching out.

This creator was removed by our Trust & Safety team for violating our community guidelines. At Patreon, we believe in freedom of speech, we are creating a platform that empowers creators to share and debate ideas.

In this instance, it was discovered that the creator was posting content that engaged in and encouraged malicious doxing and vandalism, which are both clear violations of our policies. As a result, we removed their page from Patreon.

The team at Patreon strongly believes in building a platform that prioritizes free speech and celebrates diverse viewpoints. We do not take the removal of creators lightly. We have a thorough content policy and evaluation process, and removing a creator is something we only consider after very careful review. If you want to learn more, our co-founder and CEO, Jack, made a vlog about this, which you can view here."

Regards,
Charlene

I don't even see what the big deal is? Patreon revealed themselves to be sympathetic to the alt-right or cowards or both. IGD will switch providers for their crowd-funding, perhaps giving more thought to the strategic vulnerabilities this time.

So that's probably a bunch of work but recovering from an attack by your enemies usually is. Which means the only real question is how much cash did they lose?

I'm generally sympathetic to the antifascist tendency (and active in it) and I use IGD although the quality of their content is definitely a mixed bag because of anon contributors, etc. But I have to admit I've wondered just how much cash is flying around, in light of the cottage industry that the alt right trolls set up, posing as antifa, making threats and then collecting funds. With a ton of media attention, comes cash and temptation!

So! What's the value of 1 month's worth of Antifa dollars anyway?

don't quote me on this, but i had checked a while back what ppl gave per month and it was above +$1,000, perhaps even above $2g a month, but i don't remember the exacts. it was public info, but it looked like only one person or so did the facebook mentoring... heh lulz.

i was surprised (shocked) to see a project getting $1k + a month. lots of money floating around for sure, it would seem at least.

Heh! Only in the lefty activist/anarchist ghetto is $1k "lots of money". Their operating costs are probably at least equivalent.

1,000 $ per month to have a website? I must be out of touch.

It's not just paying for the domain, presumably there's a bit more going on there.

It costs $0/mo to re-post other sites' content.

You've convinced me, they're obviously just doing blow off each other's dicks, fuckin leftists amirite?!

No it's the pseudo-nihilo-insurrectos who're doing that... mostly as there are a few young women in there but may not be in sausage parties. More like fried oysters.

This might be the best bullshit dichotomy ever: queer nihilist insurrecto coke dick OR fried oysters. WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?!

Once we clear up this city from cis heteronormative culture next thing you know is same old gay phallocrats Vs new lesbian insurrection.

Obviously I won't be around since I'm a lesbian male.

So many buzzwords I feel like I'm reading cnn.

didn't @news cave to its own alt-light trolls (ahem, excuse me, fash-adjacent ancaps and jungerian 'anarchs') and ban IGD a while ago?

no

said we can't sit at Their table.
soliciting funds online for
a shiny magazine.
what a bunch of whiners

The impression I had with this IGD crowd too.

Now that the joke's on them, they're getting all pissy at every lol comment.

Now they'll have to be practicing how to laugh in a mirror for the rest of their lives until they finally manage to find an actual joke -not some demeaning cast on others- to be funny and proceed with laughter. Then they'll become humans.

Tim Poole is that you?

not only no, but wtf? what would such a ban even look like? where would you get such an idea?

I can't believe that here on one of the longest standing anarchist websites half the people here are cheering on a serious blow against some comrades. Disgusting.

There are certainly those who are reveling in it, but there are others (such as myself) who are just baffled by IGD's seemingly shocked reaction to being banned from Patreon, when IGD clearly advocates illegal activities, which is of course what all self respecting anarchists do, but a corporation like Patreon who mainly deals with you tube celebrities, podcasters, etc who don't advocate those kind of actives and are just entertainment creators, doesnt want to be associated with people like us. Not to mention how much flack they got for banning that Lauren Southern person, so the banning of IGD probably is a response to the accusations that the had a leftist bias.

actually they don't advocate illegal activities, there's a fine line between hosting content that does and doing it yourself, I think strayed a little from the PSA model, but still are arguably in the plausible deniability camp even removing stickers that may be construed as such

I doubt IGD was "shocked", they simply were miffed at what happened, considering they got the 'all clear' signal from Patreon just days before.

Lauren Southern was actually onboard a boat encouraging the skipper to ram/blockade a migrant rescue ship off the coast of Italy. Not even remotely close to what IGD was doing by simply re-posting content.

well it seems to me that they were shocked about it, I mean if you were told "all clear" by them and then a couple days later they went against that and banned you, I'm pretty sure you would be surprised.

It doesn't even matter what that Lauren Southern or IGD actually does, my point is that Lauren Southern was a right wing person who was banned and it created a controversy of sorts that had Patreon being accused of Leftist leanings. Clearly they want to make themselves look like they are not preferring one political position over the other when they ban an account, so I'm sure when the time came to ban IGD, the Lauren Southern controversy probably played a part in Patreon looking for an excuse to ban IGD, so they can be like "See its not politically motivated, its just them violating our terms of service". I wasn't trying to actually equate the actions of both parties.

"well it seems to me that they were shocked about it"

Based on what?

Tim Pool Timeline
>some occupy liberal centrist respectability politics idiot bro whose annoying but people watch his livestreams
>wandering around Ferguson talking shit on black people who are actually fighting back and trying to film them doing illegal things and confused why people are trying to stop him cause he's a fucking idiot who can't even understand basic logic if it's not drentched in middle of the road bullshit
>wandering around Ukraine for Vice handing out with right-sector etc and whitewashing what's going on taking neo-Nazis at their word and making excuses for constant bullshit painting it like he would his ideal version of occupy
>starts saying the far left is making eveyone look far right when really the political norm is moving to the right and even Obama and the Clintons are closer to Reaganites than even previous democrats
>falls head over heals for the alt-right suit and tie propaganda where their position themselves as cordial and just about debate, taking them at their word and not engaging in any sort of critical thinking, and callling the left violent while supporting racist groups that litterally try to drown people and have ties to miltant neonazi groups

IGD timeline
>cheers are LS being banned etc
>gets banned

so basically what you're saying is that DOCTOR BONES needs to publicly call out IGD for working with the alt-right?

doctor bones get on it you or you're a false flag fucker.

oh shit.

so i think when crimethinc and IGD try and be more appealing and tone the anarchy down it's annoying, but it's also hilarious to see all the jelly asshats

Over 100 comments for this post!!! Virtual Anarchy is alive and kicking. VA encircled. And it's MY copyright too. Oh, and why is it cum time? OCD I'm afraid; I'm obsessed about posts which receive 100 comments and over.

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