Rojava: Democracy and Commune

  • Posted on: 20 May 2016
  • By: thecollective

From CrimethInc. blog

In the latest installment in our series exploring the anarchist critique of democracy, guest author Paul Z. Simons offers us a meditation on revolutionary forms of organization. Drawing on his experiences in Rojava in 2015, he contrasts conventional democratic practices with what he has seen of democratic confederalism and evaluates the federation of communes as a model for North American anarchists. At a time when the ruling order has been discredited but there are very few proposals for how else to shape our lives, Simons suggests some much-needed points of departure.

Lessons from Rojava, Part One:

Democracy and Commune; This and That

Democracy: “a system of government in which all the people of a state or polity… are involved in making decisions about its affairs, typically by voting to elect representatives to a parliament or similar assembly,” (a:) “government by the people; especially: rule of the majority” (b:) “a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.”
-Oxford English Dictionary

I hate democracy. And I hate organizations, especially communes. Yet, I favor the organization of democratic communes.

The author with HDP representatives at a Kobanê Day rally in Paris.


Democracy is always about mediation. Whether it separates the subject from decision-making, separates the subject from herself, or functions as an excuse for graft and fraud. Democracy stands in the way of the individual, blocks unmediated communication by imposing the requirement of structure—an outcome, a decision. And when a decision is reached, it is usually arrived at by the most banal and ruthless method ever devised: the vote—the tyranny of the majority.

Anarchism has had a mixed history of criticism regarding democracy. Étienne de La Boétie in his Discours lays out a first line of inquiry by wondering why it is that people allow themselves to be governed at all—and as he explores the problem, he points out that it seems not to matter whether a tyrant is chosen by force of arms, by inheritance, or by the vote. “For although the means of coming into power differ, still the method of ruling is practically the same; those who are elected act as if they were breaking in bullocks; those who are conquerors make the people their prey; those who are heirs plan to treat them as if they were their natural slaves.” (1) And it might be added that the subject population submits to such abuse without question and little contestation. La Boétie’s treatise is truly prescient; written in (roughly) 1553—a full 250 years before the emergence of the modern nation-state—it contemplates exactly the type of unbridled war, oppression, and terror that democratically elected governments were to unleash on subject populations, and each other.

Power cannot exist in stasis; it functions as a result of flows between and among institutions and individuals. The monarchs of Europe learned this lesson the hard way during the upheavals of 1848 as they watched their respective regimes disintegrate one after the other. With democracy came the calculation of exchange—one iota of power given to a citizen via the vote—concentrating a vast quantity of power in legislature, executive, and judiciary. It’s unsurprising that political systems began to apply equations of power and exchange at the same time that in the economic realm Capital was introducing similar equations in order to usurp labor-time in trade for survival. Further, such an exchange ties the population all that much closer to the rulers. Vaneigem illustrates the mechanism thus: “Slaves are not willing slaves for long if they are not compensated for their submission by a shred of power: all subjection entails the right to a measure of power, and there is no such thing as power that does not embody a degree of submission.” (2)

It was Proudhon who had the most varied interaction with democracy, both theoretically and practically. His career included writing and publishing tomes of critical analysis denouncing democracy, running for elected office, serving in the National Assembly during the 1848 Revolution, and finally returning to his original rejection of voting and representation. He alternately urged his readers to abstain from voting, then to vote, then to abstain from voting (again), and finally to cast blank ballots to protest voting.

Proudhon unleashed a number of critiques on democracy. The critical prisms he used vary from the purely psychological to the empirical, and the targets of his barbs span the entire menagerie of democratic platitudes from sovereignty to the myth of “The People” to the realpolitik of how legislatures operate. Of interest is his critical analysis of the democratic decision-making process itself. He scrutinizes the mechanism of the vote and its outcome, specifically majority rule: “Democracy is nothing but the tyranny of majorities, the most execrable tyranny of all, for it is not based on the authority of a religion, nor on a nobility of blood, nor on the prerogatives of fortune: it has number as its base, and for a mask the name of the People.” (3)

But Proudhon doesn’t finish there. He protests that those left in the minority are forced by circumstance to follow the will of the majority—a situation he finds untenable, not only for the explicit coercion, but also because those in the minority are forced to abjure their ideas and beliefs in favor of those who oppose them. This, he notes wryly, makes sense only when political views are so loosely held by individuals so as to hardly be worthy of the name. Analyzing the same scenario, William Godwin declares, “nothing can more directly contribute to the deprivation of the human understanding and character” than to require people to act contrary to their own reason. A conclusion proven empirically when one conducts even the most rudimentary survey of representative government and its effects on humanity over the course of the past 250 years.

In conclusion: for an anarchist, for myself, democracy—as a system of self-governance, as a decision-making tool, as an ideal—is utterly devoid of redeeming value. It functions as a mask for coercion, making horror palatable while producing unbearable consequences for the individual, for the species, and for the planet. A dead end.

Border crossing on the Tigris River into the Kurdish Autonomous region.


It is at this point that most anarchists and critical theorists begin backpedaling, some slowly (like Proudhon) and others rapidly (like Bookchin). Historically, theorists have offered a scathing critique of democracy and then immediately digressed, stating that the representative form of democracy as conceived by bourgeois (or socialist) society isn’t really democracy. That real democracy is reflected in some other form—for Proudhon, delegated democracy, for Bookchin, the Greek city-states or the Helvetican Confederation. The argument then becomes that democracy can (and should) be recuperated (4) by the Left as a workable form.

My own critique veers wildly off course at this point, having been skewed by empirical observation of an alternate form of democratic practice. I’ve recently returned from the Kurdish Autonomous Region in Northern Syria, known as Rojava, where I had the opportunity to observe a unique form of democracy implemented by a revolutionary libertarian social movement.

Some theoretical context: in 1999, Abdullah Öcalan, the head of the Partiya Karkerên Kurdistanê (PKK, the Kurdistan Worker’s Party) was captured by Turkish Security Forces, with assistance from the CIA and Israel’s Mossad. Dodging a firing squad, he was eventually sentenced to aggravated life imprisonment—and that’s where things get interesting. Rather than making license plates or working in the laundry, Öcalan began the long slow intellectual journey out of Marxist-Leninist gibberish into some pretty durable anarchist theory. He eventually published his ideas in several works including Democratic Confederalism, War and Peace in Kurdistan, and a multi-volume tome on civilization, particularly the Middle East and Abrahamic religions. In his writing, Öcalan does what no one in the contemporary North American anarchist milieu is even willing to think—he constructs, albeit vaguely, a blueprint for a libertarian society. This simple exercise, content aside, is incredible. His engagement resembles far more the utopian socialist project of the early 19th Century than any of the ensuing theoretics associated with social contestation, especially Marxism and working class anarchism; indeed, his silence on class analysis, Marxist teleology, historical materialism, and syndicalism is deafening. Öcalan is clear in his task when he states, in “The Principles of Democratic Confederalism,” that “Democratic confederalism is a non-state social paradigm. It is not controlled by a state. At the same time, democratic confederalism is the cultural organizational blueprint of a democratic nation. ” [emphasis mine] (5)

As implied in the name, there is a great reliance on democratic processes in the system known as Democratic Confederalism. Yet Öcalan is silent about the definition of democracy—he never offers one—and it’s implementation: he never discusses it with any specificity. In fact, democracy is presented as a given, as a decision-making process, as an approach to self-administration, and little else. There is no favoring of voting versus consensus-based models, nor does he describe in any detail or at any level (communal, cantonal, regional) the forms that he foresees democracy taking. For example, “[Democratic Confederalism] can be called a non-state political administration or a democracy without a state. Democratic decision-making processes must not be confused with the processes known from public administration. States only administrate [sic] while democracies govern. States are founded on power; democracies are based on collective consensus.” He expands on what he means by “decision-making processes” in “The Principles of Democratic Confederalism”: “Democratic Confederalism is based on grass-roots participation. Its decision-making processes lie with the communities.” Fair enough. So how does all this play out in Rojava? In other words, how are Öcalan’s ideas being translated into revolutionary institutions?

I gained my first insight into democracy in Rojava over a plate of hummus and pita in downtown Kobanî. I was sitting with Mr. Shaiko, a TEV-DEM (Tevgera Civaka Demokratîk, Movement for a Democratic Society) representative on a warm, dusty afternoon, some three days after we had attended a commune meeting together. In that meeting, of the council of Şehid Kawa C commune, Mr. Shaiko had raised the issue of commune boundaries and perhaps moving them to account for the number of people returning to the rubbled, venerable hulk that is Kobanî. After some discussion, Mr. Shaiko left the meeting, requesting a phone call to let him know what they decided.

“So,” I asked Mr. Shaiko, “What happened with the commune? Did they call?”

“No, no decision yet.”

“Oh, do they need to give one?”

“No, they’ll decide when they’re ready. That’s how it is,” Mr. Shaiko looked at me over his glasses with a half-grin and then returned to the plate of pita and hummus.

This is clearly a divergent view of democratic decision-making, in which no conclusive result is as valid a response as a “yes” or a “no.” While I only saw this adjustment to democratic decision-making in operation a few times it seems to be fairly common, especially with the TEV-DEM folks whose charge is implementing democratic confederalism. It is also an interesting “fix” applied to the issue of decision-making processes. In a sense, it negates the democratic process in favor of discourse, argument, and engagement, without the concomitant requirement of an outcome.

The response of the revolutionaries to the tyranny of majority rule has been structural rather than directive. Here, Öcalan describes his views on a plural society and outlines how he plans to weaken or subsume majority rule: “In contrast to a centralist and bureaucratic understanding of administration and exercise of power confederalism poses a type of political self-administration where all groups of the society and all cultural identities can express themselves in local meetings, general conventions and councils… We do not need big theories here, what we need is the will to lend expression to… social needs by strengthening the autonomy of the social actors structurally and by creating the conditions for the organization of the society as a whole. The creation of an operational level where all kinds of social and political groups, religious communities, or intellectual tendencies can express themselves directly in all local decision-making processes can also be called participative democracy.”

So for the revolutionaries the formation, growth and proliferation of all types of “social actors”—communes, councils, consultative bodies, organizations and even militias—is to be welcomed, and encouraged.

This plays out in Rojava in a patchwork quilt of organizations, interests, local collectives, religious affiliates, and… flags. For example, TEV-DEM, the umbrella organization charged with implementing democratic self-administration, is actually an agglomeration of several smaller organizations and representatives from political parties. These various organizations include groups centering around sport, culture, religion, women’s issues, and more. For example, in December of 2015, a new organization under the TEV-DEM system was born—TEV-ÇAND Jihn, which focuses on women and cultural production. This new organization is in addition to the generic TEV-ÇAND, which focuses on society, generally, and cultural production. To sidestep the problems with majority rule, the revolutionaries have introduced a structural caveat that allows individuals to find an organization that suits their needs, and through which their voice can be heard in society. Note that TEV-DEM and others have not sought to tinker with the actual mechanics of how a commune or organization operates or decides. Rather, they have changed the social order such that if an individual refuses to uphold a decision by a group, commune or council, she always has the ability to opt out and find a more amenable assembly.

These innovations seem like good first steps towards turning democracy from a worthless antiquity into a workable principle within anarchist theory. As such, they should be encouraged and studied.

Meeting of Commune Şehîd Kawa C council to determine possible new boundaries. Mr. Shaiko, TEV-DEM representative points to map of Şehîd Kawa neighborhood.

Martyr poster on the road from Qamishlo to Kobanê. Note picture of Abdullah Öcalan at the top.


My essay regarding the organizational form and its various moments of domination, “The Organization’s New Clothes,” was first published in February of 1989 (and republished in 2015), and I see no reason to retract any portion thereof. (6) That critique, therefore, resonates throughout the following discussion, though time and space prohibit using it in any way other than as a critical prism.

The commune is a scrambled term. Its origins lie in the smallest administrative entity in France, the commune—corresponding roughly to a municipality. The word itself is derived from the twelfth-century Medieval Latin communia, meaning a group of people living a common or shared life. This is an interesting point of departure in that, even then, the concept implied some degree of autonomy, both political and economic. It was, however, the Paris Commune during the French Revolution (1789-1795) that wrote the term in large red letters in the book of revolution. In that first great explosion, the Communards distinguished themselves by their intransigence and demands for the abolition of private property and social classes, eventually earning themselves the nickname les enrages (“the enraged ones”).

The revolutionary commune, then, has a subversive nature. It is dangerous. It is always dangerous when humans interact beyond the terrain of Capital and state, or in opposition to them.

Throughout the 19th century, outside the administrative network of France, the term commune came to be associated with socialist and communist experiments and, in a looser sense, with all manner of utopian projects and communities—Owen, Fourier, Oneida, Amana, Modern Times. There was a slump for a few decades through the first part of the 20th century, and then, to confuse things further, the 1960s happened. The definition of the word “commune” ends for many North Americans somewhere in 1972, in a tangerine swirl of bad acid, free love, and the Manson Family.

Which is not to say that there weren’t some important projects. Among the more interesting were the West Berlin-based Kommune 1(1967-1969) and Wisconsin’s contribution to utopia, Dreamtime Village. There have been thousands (likely tens of thousands) of communes over the past two centuries: intentional communities, collectives, cooperatives, each with its own “glue”—the stuff that brought people together and “stuck” them to one another. In most cases, this glue has been a mix of politics, anarchism, communism, utopianism, religious sentiment (usually wacky), livelihood, necessity, drugs, sexuality, or just plain detesting the dominant culture.

So what, exactly, is a commune? Who the hell knows? The problem is not the vagueness with which the commune is understood; rather, it’s the lack of theory (and experience) that would provide nuance to this vagueness. The idea of the commune has been lost or diluted as a result of its own jangled historical context and the easily recuperable forms that it has recently taken. Ultimately, very much like democracy, the commune seems a quaint and faded relic in the cabinet of anarchist theory, filed under “V” for vestigial.

A village near Qamishlo; the majority of Rojava’s residents live in such settlements.


As above, so below. My own relation with the Commune spans several articles on the Paris events of 1871, and includes my ongoing engagement with the conundrum of anarchist organization. All of my interactions with the concept of organizations operating in a revolutionary context had been on paper—in theory—until I crossed into the Kurdish Autonomous Region. Then things changed.

The commune and council meetings I attended varied widely, ranging from an ad hoc encounter of a team of YPG militiamen near the Turkish border in Kobanî Canton to a council of the Şehid Kawa C commune, to a ceremony and meeting between TEV-DEM representatives of Kobanî and Cizîrê Canton. In each instance, I recall a series of similar impressions. First, each encounter was characterized by a sense of purpose, of meaning. The attendees seemed clear that what they were engaged in, the simple task of meeting together—as a commune, as a team of YPG fighters—carried within it a seed, a possible future, for Northern Syria, perhaps for the planet. Many people commented on this when I asked their thoughts regarding these political forms. A woman I met in Paris at an HDP rally put it best: “We are here reinventing politics, in fact, the world.”

This perception, which could easily foster arrogance, seemed instead to produce a mindset of quiet determination in these attendees. These folks were not wealthy, they worked hard in an area where there was little work. The men’s faces were lined and etched with long hours spent under the harsh Middle East sun. The hands of the women were simultaneously delicate and rough: while they bore callouses and cuts, they also carried the scent of lotion and perfume. The voices, gestures, and faces of the revolutionaries during the meetings were intent, searching, serious. There was kindness, hugs for a developmentally disabled young adult, a moment spent with a mother who had lost a son in the siege of Kobanî, and respect—as each person spoke to the accompaniment of silent nods from their peers.

There was also hope, a quantity that history has so long denied to anarchists, and which some of us have reclaimed—not as an eventuality, but as a birthright. These folks believed that they could change their lives, their community; many believed they could change (and were changing) the world.

Finally, and most importantly, in each of these meetings there was an overwhelming sense of the ordinary. When they mentioned the cantonal authority at all, these folks referred to it laconically as the anti-government, or the anti-regime. They had seen and participated in sweeping social changes and experimentation, and in the process it had become commonplace, like lunch. This is not to say that there was no joy in the proceedings, far from it. Rather, what was really missing was fear, and in this sense the social revolution in Rojava may truly be said to have passed into a phase of maturity and permanence. The sole condition in the short-term being the defeat of Daesh.

Some theorists have been advancing on the idea of the commune, but from strange directions, post-left directions. Peter Lamborn Wilson in The Temporary Autonomous Zone (TAZ) and Pirate Utopias forces the issues of time and failure/success in reference to the commune. He rejects utterly, as we must, the technological reasoning that the longer a commune exists the better or more successful it must be. In TAZ, he specifically provides a formula for a new idea of a commune, a temporary encounter—perhaps hours, perhaps minutes—characterized by conviviality, joy. This encounter is autonomous in that it is as independent and free of the fetters of Capital and state as possible. This is essential to understand. The commune is combative, not subservient. That is the basis of its autonomy.

Rather than bounding the definition of the commune or trying to refine it, I believe that defocusing the concept seems a sound strategy. I would argue that whether it is a phalanstère with all the Fourierist fauna intact, or a meeting between friends to relive old times or create new ones, it doesn’t matter—it is a commune. Why bound something, why hem something in when it presents itself as a viable model for organization? Rather, without a definition, we can move with tiny baby steps towards an understanding of what works and what is useless in the commune model. That strikes me as one promising, potential direction towards both engaged social experimentation and ruthless social contestation.

Finally, at a macro-level, the concept of federalism may make a theoretical comeback. If the commune model makes any sense at all, then federalism isn’t very far behind. This returns anarchism to its philosophical roots—Proudhon especially, but also Pi i Margall and Bakunin. The insurrectionary potential for federalism seems vastly underestimated. The movement to divide society into smaller and smaller units, the federation of these units by mutual agreement, and the potential for economic cooperation and shared self-defense make federalism a potentially daunting, though rather blunt, instrument. Note here that the current usage of federalism—the nation-state’s accumulation of power, wealth, and knowledge in order to control and dominate subject populations—is precisely the opposite of the concept’s standard historical definition. It is Pi i Margall, the non-anarchist grandfather of Spanish anarchism, in his 1855 work La Reacción y la Revolución, who offers the final word on the potential of federalism: “The constitution of a society without power is the ultimate of my revolutionary aspirations,” stating he would, “divide and subdivide power,” in order to “destroy it.” (7)

The formation of communes also seems a viable real world strategy in that it fulfills two immediate functions. First, they can act as support, a backbone for the movement of militants quickly to areas where their services might be required. In this way, they may function very much as the bookstores, infoshops, and alternative spaces did in the anarchist milieu of the past several decades in the US, or as the communes did in Kobanî during the siege. Their resources can assist in the provision of shelter, food, medical aid, and comfort for fighters. The communes can also provide valuable intelligence on local conditions, law enforcement, and assist in identifying those specific targets most noxious to the community. Put in contemporary military parlance, one type of commune may not be a weapon, but it can function as a weapons platform for the mobile anarchist fighters.

Secondly, the communes provide for the sedentary members of the milieu a laboratory, a setting in which to experiment with new ideas, new forms, coalescing, in protoplasmic form, the seeds of revolutionary institutions yet to be. Communes are nurseries where budding insurrections are reared. Ancillary to this effect, yet no less important, is the possibility that communes will help to offset the attrition that has plagued anarchism since its inception as a political movement. A life dedicated to liberty is difficult to sustain, and most anarchists [who can] eventually succumb to the Cthulhu call of new cars, big houses, and squandered lives. At the age of 55, I have seen thousands of anarchists come and go; only those too stubborn or anti-social, like my friends and myself, seem to remain. Communes may stem this drift by producing a social milieu that is amenable to the various vagaries of the anarchist personality type, and by distributing resources for assistance with the real world issues of food, shelter, childbirth and rearing, loneliness, illness, old age and death.

The commune is a verb. The commune is a question.

An exploded mine on the road between Serekaniye and Kobanê.

The Other Thing

Anarchism has been adrift since the end of the Second World War. With little understanding of its roots, history, and struggles, most of us did the best we could with what we could find. There were no organizations to criticize or join; it was difficult enough just to find anarchists in NYC in 1984. We were orphans. The situation has changed: there are more anarchists, they are more easily contacted and the explosion of information has given us our story back. As a confluence, the news out of Greece, Rojava, Europe, in fact just about everywhere seems to be turning in our direction. Those in the milieu, therefore, have some choices to make about where to place energy, where to invest time and effort, in a word—what to do? There are at least as many possible answers to this question as there are anarchists now alive. As my response, I suggest the following:

Form democratic communes.


Be ready.

Destroyed tanks and little girl, near YPG/J headquarters in Kobanê.


  1. La Boetie, Etienne (1975) The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude. Montreal; Black Rose Books.
  2. Vaneigem, Raoul. (1994) The Revolution of Everyday Life (Donald Nicholson-Smith, Trans.). London: Rebel Press.
  3. Proudhon, Pierre-Joseph. (1867-1870) Oeuvres completes de P-J. Proudhon. Paris: A. Lacroix, Verboeckhoven et Cie.
  4. Recuperation is a concept developed by the Situationists to describe the process in which ideas and strategies that originally served a revolutionary agenda, are appropriated by Capital and the state to preserve the status quo.
  5. Ocalan, Abdullah (2011). Democratic Confederalism (transl. International Initiative). Transmedia Publishing Ltd. London, Cologne
  6. Simons, Paul Z. (2015). “The Organization’s New Clothes,” Black Eye: Pathogenic and Perverse. Ardent Press, Berkeley CA.
  7. Pi y Margall, Francisco. “Reaction and Revolution,” in Anarchism, A Documentary History of Libertarian Ideas Volume One


It's like NEFAC, only legit because it's been institutionalized and is being practiced by POC in a far off land! I really don't understand the obsession with Rojava. I really wish that Simons would put his money where his mouth is and join the front lines instead of shaming other anarchists for being skeptical of a bureaucratic revolution that owes much of its existence to western imperial forces.

in that the revolutionaries abjure class analysis. I terms of putting my money where my mouth is, I have spent significant amounts of cash doing my best to present the case of the Rojava Revolution to the North American anarchist community in as open and up front a way as possible. Including using my real name in all posts, presentations, and materials. The comment really pisses me off for another reason, especially today. I just left the USA to do some reporting from Fortress Europe and was detained at JFK and interrogated by two Homeland Security investigators for about an hour. If that ain't the front lines, I don't know what is. I know what isn't--complaining about being shamed when it sounds like that medicine is just what the above commentor needs--as opposed to hiding behind an anonymous tag while he pours out another dose of liquid caffeine and tries to ignore the mountainous pile of semen-encrusted kleenex that pretty much sums his contribution to anarchy this day (and every day). And look for some new Dispatches very soon. The weather in France in very warm this spring

Being an indie journalist isn't the "front lines" dude … a 1 hr interrogation and they still let you fly? I've heard much worse.

Dude, haven't you heard about Simons? He's the hardest writer since Jensen! Indiscriminate violence ftw! We can only hope he forms his own cult of personality and authoritarian organization to lead us to revolution!

Good travels Paul...

"I just left the USA to do some reporting from Fortress Europe and was detained at JFK and interrogated by two Homeland Security investigators for about an hour. If that ain't the front lines, I don't know what is."

Oh FFS, shut the fuck up. You were detained for an hour and allowed to fly away afterwards anyway? Lol, yeah bro. "Frontlines" just like the people fighting ISIS in the trenches. Practically no difference, imo (/s).

You're a parasite. Rojava doesn't need you. It is you, in fact, that so clearly and desperately needs it in order to fulfill your twisted psychological need for shitty male ego-validation. This painfully reveals itself to be so obviously the case every time you throw out some exaggerated not-so-subtle nonsense designed to enhance your image as a radical.

" experience with war, especially revolutionary war is somewhat more experiential than just theorizing."

What a wanker. Reading this, the implication one would pick up was that you were some kind of "anarchist warrior" who had picked up a rifle to fight on the frontline, shoulder to shoulder with the Kurds. I know this not to be case. I was there when you gave your presentation in Montreal.

I'm starting to get sick of the way you constantly throw yourself out there, clamoring for attention and ego-validation, constantly hamming it up, always trying to build up some fucking social capital for yourself as you cling to the coattails of folks who are actually doing something rad as fuck with their lives unlike what you're currently doing, which is making a goddamn chump-ass punk fuckboi out of yourself here, in the goddamn comment section of AnarchistNews.

I'm disappointed that this is how you actually are as a real person.


Don't come back to Montreal, toy.

multiple paragraphs about how someone doesn't live up to your expectations.
so sad.

I'm annoyed cuz I was there too and I probably know you. PZS' @news personality might leave something to be desired, but whatevs, he's defending himself, things get out of hand.

The idea about social capital gaining is the dumbest shit, though. Like, what even is social capital; I am more and more convinced that it doesn't make sense as a concept for radical subcultures. In the dominant culture, sure, Denis Coderre or Justin Trudeau have social capital a-plenty, but in our scenes, putting yourself out there means abuse, disagreement, you're-fucked-up accusations, etc. And maybe even a little boost to your heatscore too! Perhaps you should remember how you felt the last time you got arrested (in Canada! not serious at all!) and you were shook up about it and some other anarchist was not sympathizing with you the way you felt they should.

Also, seriously - parasitism? The fucking Rojavans want people to know about Rojava, first off. Secondly, are you telling me you never wanted to talk about your cool trip to a cool place? Third, what's the blood he's sucking, or to say it differently, how is anyone being negatively affected by this guy... in Rojava?

You make a couple of good points, but the fact of the matter is that Paul needs to seriously stop fucking FRONTING, i.e: posing as something he's not, especially when it's done in ways that are all wrapped up in typical macho male desires and behavior (jonesin' to be perceived by others as "hard as fuck", when in reality you're just a little creampuff). I've already explained how he's doing this, in both this thread and the one on the Memento Mori attack in Rome a few pages back. I won't go into it any further than that though. I've already wasted enough energy critiquing the embarrassing way in which this supposedly mature and full grown-ass man carries himself online.

TLDR: Don't Front. And if you do? Seriously? You best prepare yourself to get called out on it before you're told to fuck right off.

oh yeah, you guys sure tore Paul to pieces, there.
he must be so embarrassed right now because your insults are so clever!
lol. have fun, Paul. and thank you

anonymous macho threats on the internet,
wow, never heard that before.

Exactly. Ultra hypocrite.

What anonymous threat? To not come back to Montreal? That's not a threat, it's just good advice. People who walk around thinking they're this well-hard "revolutionary warrior" because they've gone to a war-torn city POST-COMBAT and got detained for an hour at an airport (lol! omg!) tend to get laughed at, heckled and people stop showing up to their events because they generally tend to start recognizing them for the complete toystory they really are, and rightfully so.

Maybe PZS should reread a bunch of the stupid macho bullshit he threw up into the comments, reflect on his behavior and, you know, grow into a better, more HUMBLE human being before turning up again in MTL.

lol, your fanboi's are cute Paul ;)

wow, that was harsh... I never comment, but that was so harsh i feel compelled to. Paul had some interesting stories to share and if your willing to wade through his, like any, biased reports, there is something to gain from it.

we ain't sheep, and paul isn't a wolf either. he wrote first hand accounts which centre himself cause that's what he was claiming to do, travel diaries of interest to anarchists. Getting interrogated sucks too, I feel empathy for the situation.

I wasn't balled over by paul's talk, but in a comradely way I know he's got aspirations on the same field as mine, and getting any first hand accounts on the ground, no matter how 'soviet tourist-esque' they came off, is valuable to figuring out my position on conflicts far away.

don't really know what to do with this. The context in most north american cities doesn't seem very applicable for a rojavan style commune, and clearly the social-democrats, communists, and non-profit politicians are far better equipped to "meet people's needs" where the state fails them.

I have a hard time figuring out how to put any of this concretely into practice in a way that doesn't waste energy. Maybe there's just not enough of us in most places.

I have the impression that Simons thinks such Communes can start small, like big collective houses, or networks thereof. If you're listening, El Errante, what do you imagine?

without a definition, or parameters. And with a healthy (and intentional) rejection of the twinned concepts of success and failure. Which can be as destructive to the process of experimentation as jealousy is of love. And you're right-- collective houses, communities that support infoshops, or even at the extreme end an evening spent with friends over a meal can all be interpreted as communes. What is of interest is how the participants view the process, how is affects them, and if there are problems, how folks deal with them--these hold me in thrall. In other words, if folks are going to experiment with revolutionary forms of organization then be consistent and judge them with revolutionary evaluation tools. One of the more subtle lessons of Rojava is the importance of revolutionary experimentation, and when something (like an organizational form, a militia, or an approach to economic production) proves to be ineffective, don't take it personally; try something different, be relentless. Tangentially, these insights into the commune are worthless unless they are made public--so what folks find (good, bad or whatever) from their experimentation should be communicated publicly so that we can all learn from other folks hard work. Such communication also ensures that the same mistakes aren't "discovered" over and over. In my recent tour through eastern Canada I was struck with the variety and impact that different types of organizational forms have had on that community. A community, by the way, that I found healthy, active, growing and wonderfully combative. At least, that's what's on my mind. You?

I just think the combative side of things should be avoided, otherwise the commune will be bombed back into the stoneage.

I noted an absence of the tiqqunist definition of "commune" in your piece, which I didn't put much thought into, but now strikes me as odd since you seem to advance such a similar definition here

Do we really need to reference a small group of elitist Frenchmen, just because they happen to use a term the same way a lot of people have used it over the course of a century or more? Maybe not.

I think we are being fed a bunch of horse shit about Rojava. Watch this and tell me what is so revolutionary about this? In a few years time Paul Z Simons will be maligned as somebody who actively campaigned for what turned out to be the new Israel in the region.

WTF? How does that video refute or discredit anything Paul Z Simons is talking about? It's obviously a short superficial view of what's actually happening in Rojava. What an idiot.

If you can't see that it's just a nationalist project with a sprinkling of anarcho-capitalism then I feel truly and deeply sorry for you.

Kurdish nationalism is more akin to indigenous varieties of nationalism in the americas, an ethnic group unfortunately defined by their oppression under western colonialism. To me, this is pretty different than standard nationalist myths designed to keep a nation-state cohesive and although it may eventually lead to more of the same, it's a bit early to call this one.

It to had 'indigenous characteristics at the start. We all know what happened.

Nobody cares what you say, basement-dweller. This isn't an issue of people who have lived outside Kurdistan for centuries being relocated there as part of a state-building process. There are problematic things happening in Rojava, but no one stands to learn anything from your moronic screeds.

Not to the same degree as the Kurds but there was always a Jewish presence in what is now Israel.

Look, providing that this new state(and it IS a state however lean, dynamic, decentralized minarchistic) does not replicate Israel's genocidal history then I don't see this geopolitical development as the worst thing to happen from a libertarian perspective. It will be interesting to see a libertarian political economy contrasted with the usual authoritarian stated. However, this ain't anything stateless or thorougly anachic.

The statist project of Israel wasn't an indigenous phenomenon. It came from Europe along with the majority of what would become the Israeli population. There is no influx of europeans or of anyone claiming Kurdish identity and carrying out mass ethnic cleansing.

You're right that Israel used to be a leftist cause and then quickly became hated by the left. But that's about where the comparison ends.

Came from Europe, but not all. Also, the Kurdish struggle began as a statist nationalist movement. The Bookchinism is a fairly late development. In practice the functioning of the Kurdish territory is that of a state. It's ridiculous to deny this. Again, I'm not saying it's a one to one comparison and I am also not saying it will turn out as bad(no ethnic cleansing so far). I don't wish them any ill luck and prefer this development to most of the middle east. However, I have no illusions about what this is and will likely become.

So does that mean engaging with it or asking where its heading are worthless?
I think the fact that it is based on gatherings of multiple and disparate and a veritable multitude of communal structures minimizes consolidation of power centers and the tendency become
ossified and mired in Stratification. Perfect? of course not. Interesting, a noble effort, some success, enrichment of lives,
a myriad of communal efforts etc. ; sorry, I prefer to try to listen and learn from these experiences.

Like I said, if Rojava can avoid turning completely into a 21st century Israel and retain SOME libertarian character that would at least be a preferable scenario to worse things. Like I said, I don't wish them ill.

There's nothing in that video related to nationalism. If you are trying to put forth an argument, let's hear it, instead of being elliptical via videos.

Such an amazing 'revolution' - we are now free to engage in selling patriotic merchandise and watch a new propaganda TV channel.

But there is nothing relationally authentic about revolution. Revolution is simply a change of power schemes. What's happening in Rojava is entirely in keeping with what revolution actually is.

Insurrection on the other hand...

is not a Revolution. It is change utilizing a variety of methods, modes,and attributes. It cannot be compared simply to
leftist revolutionary coups that inevitably become, and often quickly transform into "the new boss".
Rojava is a Singularity confounding Leftists, Nihilists and "Insurrectionists", all of whom who are anti-communal and anti-libertarian. A better approach is to learn from their experiences , assist them where we can, engage with them, and leave the Polemics to the Alphabet Soup of Marxist and Right-wing Extremists out there who hate anyone like Rojava trying to find their ways to living their lives.

And *sigh*, endless photo snaps of photogenic college girls holding AK74s, or *gasp*, the Rojavan version of the Barbie doll in green camo and armed to the teeth!

yeah let's totally decide the merits of an uprising and social restructuring at this scale by how normatively attractive the women shown in the propaganda films/media is (especially when these images are often produced by outsiders.) that's a great way to decide what we think is really happening---- fuck you for calling women defending their communities against the femicide of ISIL barbie dolls.

But already I've seen hetero normative women fighters being glorified. Homosexual women fighters are taboo, because you know, in that part of the world, patriarchal values and mores dominate the domestic dynamics of all tribal clans and sects. Every form of militarism spawns its idols and toys as propaganda for the emerging generations of children who are recruited in the same manner, by creating a cult of personality based on dominance and authority..You'll see their version of GI Joes, but I wouldn't be surprised if Ken in his gay floral shirt is hard to find in the squalid market stalls of Rojava.

You moron, this is Hakem Bey's paradise, pederasty is and has been an accepted custom throughout this region. Ask El Errante, women are for child birth and boys are for,,,,,I can't say it, it sends shivers up my spine and sickens me, urgh, sooo glad my universe is around Houston and not San Francisco Bay area!

Dear CrimethInc and Paul Simons, I'm sorry about the poor quality of discussion here, you deserve better than these halfhearted trolls.

Me 2 post saying fuck you to the jerk insulting women he finds attractive for arming themselves in self-defense.

Hey! Fuck you!

Hey FU its Paul Simons who is colonizing Rojavan women with his Western gung-ho macho exuberance

"Colonizing"? Hardly. They reach out to anyone to tell their story. They trust Paul Simons, and often ask him when he's getting back together with Art Garfunkel.

Bob Black posted a comment a few years back about the Kurds: He said the Kurds have two enemies: ISIS and Murray Bookchin. Was he right or was he simply being his usual cynical self?

A bit of both.

As well as Isis. Bookchin is recently deceased. His writings and ideas are all very interesting, if not quite on the mark.

A story about a danish kurdish woman who fought with ypg and peshmerga against ISIS and assad:

Yawn... Typical Vice rampant sexism. They had to take the liberal sexy poster chick...

That's not sexism.

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