
Forest occupation has long been a strategy of resistance to environmental devastation, from the Hambach Forest in Germany to the Yellow Finch encampment in Appalachia to the Weelaunee forest in Atlanta. But an escalating occurrence has been a series of property destruction followed by communiques attributing these actions to land defense. A Bank of America was set on fire in Portland, and most recently on March 5th, a "far-left" group in Germany claimed responsibility for setting an electricity pylon on fire at at Tesla "gigafactory" outside of Berlin.
In Atlanta there has been a sense that these actions have resulted in some contractors pulling out of the project and others willing do so "if more of their equipment gets torched".
These actions have led to Atlanta law enforcement putting up more than 450 billboards in major cities including Miami, Nashville, and New York advertising rewards of up to $200,000 for information on the arsonists. A man was arrested in South Carolina, and in early February, for Atlanta law enforcement raided three homes and arrested one person, charging him with first degree arson.
Two days later two communiques were released that claimed responsibility for arsons done in retaliation for the raids. As put by one communique:
THE TIME HAS COME TO DESTROY THOSE WHO DESTROY THE EARTH
Nichts als Gottes Gerechtigkeit (Nothing but God's Righteousness)
And as put by the other:
We are not special. Our skills are not overly technical or advanced, and our tools are simple to acquire. If you are reading this, you are capable of doing what we do. We all have something to lose; it is simply a matter of living out our beliefs or submitting to the police state. Inaction is a choice just as much as action, and we all have to live with the choices we make.
On the one hand, it's always inspiring to see things set on fire and to see property destroyed. But has the time really come to destroy those who destroy the earth? Is there nothing left but God's Righteousness? Is there really nothing outside of "living our beliefs" or "submitting to the police state"? Are these attacks stopping the destruction of the earth? Are there other things anarchists might do with their time besides hurl themselves into the gears of technoindustry to stop construction for a little while?
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No, they don't work
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 11:23
No, they don't work necessarily in terms of enough material damage.
You'd need to take over an area of farms/industrial to the point you can sabotage external market forces by creating large capital inefficiency. Decrease the need for capital/labor in a large enough area it would really fuck things up to a point that industrial output is naturally sabotaged. You'll gain people to your side through the baseline comforts and less work way more free time.
Propaganda by the deed focused on bigwigs and small players would also be effective but in the shorter term.
Tldr; you need to sabotage the actual economy.
I disagree completely that
historical mat… (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 00:15
In reply to No, they don't work by anon (not verified)
I disagree completely that taking over an area of farms/industrial to the point of sabotaging external market forces by creating large capital inefficiency would do jack shit. Decreasing the need for capital/labor in a large enough area would not, in fact, sabotage industrial output. Why?
Because the majority of economic activity* is useless trinket manufacturing or service work and has little if any impact on our material conditions. No one cares if you opt out. The economy certainly doesn't care. The world will go chugging along just fine without your precious participation in the economy.
But let's imagine for a moment that decreasing the need for labor/capital in a large enough area would "really fuck things up to a point that industrial output is naturally sabotaged."
First, how, exactly, are you going to "take over an area of farms/industrial to the point you can sabotage external market forces by creating large capital inefficiency"? Next, how is capital inefficiency going to "do enough material damage" to stop the destruction of the earth?
Now, if you had said, "take over an area of farms/industrial to the point that you can build capacity to [redacted] then maybe i could see how it would be useful...
* in the context of people reading this website, at least but probably more broadly
- the largest economic
anon (not verified) Fri, 03/15/2024 - 05:04
In reply to I disagree completely that by historical mat… (not verified)
- the largest economic sectors by rev are not trinket manufacturing, look it up, Google.
- the material conditions are having to participate in said economy.
How do you take over a large area? This isn't the TOTW or the point of the comment.
They don't care and "your." The recently built cop armies in every nation state seem to disagree. We are talking about millions of people.
How will it help? Crisis, which is our only real solution right now.
I did suggest building capacity though right?
Anyway, I don't think you or honestly a lot of people understand how precarious the market system is rn.
i think even if not
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 12:25
i think even if not quantitative sufficient, by breaking things they cannot unbreak, they do make an irreversible effect that has its non-negligible impact. the question then becomes "at what cost?" and "is it worth it?" which is for each to decide.
what do you mean? it’s always
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 16:58
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what do you mean? it’s always worth it for the street cred. how else will you get street cred?
violence
anon (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 00:35
In reply to what do you mean? it’s always by anon (not verified)
violence
breaking things they cannot unbreak
cost analysista (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 00:34
In reply to i think even if not by anon (not verified)
Is it true that they cannot unbreak what you break?
When you break it, it just makes more jobs. When you destroy property, they hire new people to rebuild it, as well as provide justification as to why they need more police to enforce its boundaries.
Setting this aside for a moment, the questions of 'at what cost' vs. 'is it worth it' are quite 'valuable' (are you noticing a trend yet?)
It's interesting that it's difficult to even speak about these questions without using language like 'cost' and 'worth.'
maybe?
yes, physics imply that
anon (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 07:42
In reply to breaking things they cannot unbreak by cost analysista (not verified)
yes, physics imply that things cannot be unbroken. they can repair and build again. this costs them, and to the degree that it does, it may become unprofitable and they may go out of business, or take their business elsewhere.
i do employ economic terms. arithmetic and accounting for resources existed long before capitalism. i quantify my personal resources and evaluate things according to my values.
"Are there other things
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 12:33
"Are there other things anarchists might do with their time besides hurl themselves into the gears of technoindustry to stop construction for a little while?"
Yes, & in fact they are doing so in the very campaigns this post highlights. Lots of sabotage is quite far from the self-sacrificial spirit this post implies. Lots of action taken by liberal progressives in the movement, like lockdowns that wait for arrests, are closer to this image. While attack of course involves risks, it also involves excitement, inspiration, etc.
The all-or-nothing, apocalyptic/climactic propaganda works for some people & doesn't for others. It shouldn't be treated as representative of contemporary anarchist engagement, just co-constitutive.
The question though is does
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 13:44
In reply to "Are there other things by anon (not verified)
The question though is does it make an impact halting or partially halting the overall situation. This answer is no.
Now you could argue that attacks inspire (they do) and more anarchists equal more potential for a new path to emerge.
But that comes with a lot of questions itself, specially in 2024 in the USA where most of the anarchist movement is confused, which is the nicest word I can use.
yeah no, your "question" is crap, tho..
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 14:10
In reply to The question though is does by anon (not verified)
What is this "overall situation"? If you're referring to the entirety of the global megamachine, then maybe if you got some nukes at your disposal...
'member the Stuck in the Suez canal? Yeah this was a funny clusterfuck and did partially mess up the world 'economy. For a few days. Then what?
You can temporarily stop the traffic on a motorway, and perhaps if enough people would get the idea, stop many motorways on larger scale... But good luck having a global movement doing that. As the millions of cars are still gonna pollute and endanger lives in some whatever shithole mass consumer economy abroad. Like good fucking luck doing that even in Mexico, lol.
So the best we can do... Is to be harming the expansions and developments where they happen, and also mitigate their consequences to our lives and the lives of those that can't defend themselves against it. That is a tactic of thwarting the economy at its weakest, riskiest, and most unstable.
I cannot see how getting
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 14:46
In reply to yeah no, your "question" is crap, tho.. by anon (not verified)
I cannot see how getting arrested for gluing a lock is going to help my life or anyone elses. Let's be real, it will most definitely not.
So, with the rest of what you are saying its either hopeless, only useful if you enjoy burning a tractor (personal cost vs benefit) or we need to induce an actual economic catastrophe. Great, so, are there realistic things we can do right now that could open a path towards that no matter how distant?
If not might as well just eat chicken wings, drink beer and go out with babes and not risk prison.
might as well not be
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 16:51
In reply to I cannot see how getting by anon (not verified)
might as well not be anarchists, or radicals, or leftists, right? Now let’s go lick some boots together.
The issue with your comment
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 16:26
In reply to might as well not be by anon (not verified)
The issue with your comment is you freely admit you can't conceptualize a path forward not that you completely misunderstand my comment like a pc lib
"I cannot see how getting
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 16:55
In reply to I cannot see how getting by anon (not verified)
"I cannot see how getting arrested for gluing a lock is going to help my life or anyone elses."
Yes it's true. Because you are a normie idiot.
Gluing a lock can be a worthy response in the case when some asshole security agent or landlord uses lock for "theft prevention". So instead of cutting the lock (which can be done as well), it is further pissing them off by spending a longer time messing up with locks to open them at the start of their shifts, convincing them to avoid putting a lock for a while. In the case it works (as it did in my case) that is a direct benefit to me and others.
Ooor it can be used to piss off some bureaucrat you hate, just for the kicks. Cheap, easy, low-risk tactic that won't get you a long sentence even if you get caught.
Sure yes I dont disagree but
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 16:34
In reply to "I cannot see how getting by anon (not verified)
Sure yes I dont disagree but aren't we talking about gluing locks of like a weapons manufacturer hq? I could think of a lot of scenarios where gluing locks would be be beneficial. I don't think this instance is the totw.
I think your comment here suffers from a bit of following the context. Or I'm a normie idiot. Lmao
"Doing anarchy?" Oh hoho NO..
dead inside (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 03:10
In reply to I cannot see how getting by anon (not verified)
"Doing anarchy?" Oh hoho NO... I'm just way too afraid of the cop in my head ("superego") so I'll just SUBMIT to whatever law is telling me not to do!
Nerk.
You have created a character,
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 16:46
In reply to "Doing anarchy?" Oh hoho NO.. by dead inside (not verified)
You have created a character, in your own head that you responded to with gibberish. Like you weren't even able to formulate a response to your own creation.
Ngl, you are probably pretty fun at parties.
Who cares about what "liberal
anon (not verified) Fri, 03/15/2024 - 00:01
In reply to "Are there other things by anon (not verified)
Who cares about what "liberal progressives" are doing?
Just personally, I've
fuckyou (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 17:18
Just personally, I've believed for a long time that there's 3 ways to fight against something you don't like:
1) don't participate in it
2) attack it
3) create alternatives that make its existence unnecessary
People vary on their interest in those 3 (refusal, attack, creative substitutes). I enjoy all 3.
Refusal ranges from subtle things like slow work, boycotts, or strikes to refusing to work or participate in the economy in any way (because all problems are intertwined in the functioning of the capitalist system).
Attack can range from critique to sabotage to armed conflict. (Imo "without a trace" has the best guidelines for which is most appropriate depending on the circumstances)
Creating alternatives ranges from new friend groups and social relations to entirely new economic modes that do not require the undesired thing (nomadic solarpunks, primitivist communes, whatever is happening in Chiapas and Rojava).
Refuseniks only seem to get be aware of 1
Militants only think 2 is worthwhile
And lifestyleists think everything other than 3 is strugglismo
Nobody knows what will work.
I personally think it's worth experimenting. The freedom to experiment is an essence of Anarchy. By trying things out that we enjoy, means and ends unite.
Power to those trying something else, from shoplifting to flames to lying flat.
In terms of the totw I don't
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 16:50
In reply to Just personally, I've by fuckyou (not verified)
In terms of the totw I don't think 2/3 are completely different. Your example is perfect in this context.
"Escape from the bad smell!
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 19:21
"Escape from the bad smell! Escape from the idolatry of the superfluous!
Escape from the bad smell! Escape from the steam of these human sacrifices!
The earth is free even now for great souls..
A free life is still free for great souls.
Verily, whoever possesses little is possessed that much less..
Only where the state ends, there begins the human being who is not superfluous: there begins the song of necessity, the unique and inimitable tune."
But has the time really come
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 22:49
But has the time really come to destroy those who destroy the earth?
YES
Is there nothing left but God's Righteousness?
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GOD OR RIGHTEOUSNESS. FUCK OFF WITH YOUR BULLSHIT.
Is there really nothing outside of "living our beliefs" or "submitting to the police state"?
WHY ESPOUSE TO HAVE BELIEFS IF YOU DON'T LIVE BY THEM?
Are these attacks stopping the destruction of the earth?
IS WRINGING YOUR HANDS ABOUT ANARCHISTS ATTACKING POWER?
Are there other things anarchists might do with their time besides hurl themselves into the gears of technoindustry to stop construction for a little while?
WRITE PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE TOPICS ON ANEWS AND BE SALTY DO-NOTHINGS FULL OF SEETHING RESSENTIMENT? MINECRAFT?
you seem to be missing some
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 23:28
In reply to But has the time really come by anon (not verified)
you seem to be missing some of the points. for example, the point about espousing belief vs submitting, is about the simplistic binary of only those two options.
i agree that this is not the most nuanced write up of the topic, but it seems like the writer is trying to get at some things that are worth talking about.
or you can just yell and be defensive. that works too.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
anon (not verified) Sun, 03/10/2024 - 23:47
In reply to you seem to be missing some by anon (not verified)
BLAH BLAH BLAH
"BLAH BLAH BLAH" -ing is a
anon (not verified) Tue, 03/12/2024 - 01:26
In reply to BLAH BLAH BLAH by anon (not verified)
"BLAH BLAH BLAH" -ing is a form of seethingness brah, careful....
It may have taken you 2 days
anon (not verified) Tue, 03/12/2024 - 08:36
In reply to "BLAH BLAH BLAH" -ing is a by anon (not verified)
It may have taken you 2 days but..... gotem!
Good job, brah
If you're not seething you're
triviabot (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 21:25
In reply to "BLAH BLAH BLAH" -ing is a by anon (not verified)
If you're not seething you're not breathing.
do whatever. everyone can do
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 09:10
do whatever. everyone can do something different. we don’t agree anyways. express yourself through sabotage to your heart’s content, or do anything else, like stamp collecting.
There is no such thing as
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 09:26
In reply to do whatever. everyone can do by anon (not verified)
There is no such thing as anarchist stamp collecting. There is such a thing as anarchist sabotage.
Collect stamps if you want but don't call it anarchist and think you're fooling anybody but yourself.
i didn’t say stamp collecting
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 09:48
In reply to There is no such thing as by anon (not verified)
i didn’t say stamp collecting was anarchist. being anarchist is not mandatory. anarchism means nothing is mandatory, except not being a boss or a slave, and respecting people’s freedom and dignity equally, which implies different things. but neither sabotage nor stamp collecting are mandatory, and non-anarchist can do, do do (doodoo, lol) both.
Sir, this is an anarchist
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 10:29
In reply to i didn’t say stamp collecting by anon (not verified)
Sir, this is an anarchist website. Being an anarchist is expected.
stamps
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 11:54
In reply to There is no such thing as by anon (not verified)
"There is no such thing as anarchist stamp collecting."
What if you collect anarchist stamps?
https://freedompress.org.uk/product/stamps-designs-for-anarchist-postag…
in my view, anarchism is a
lumpy (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 10:27
in my view, anarchism is a combative political position, it rapidly loses all meaning once that possibility has been rationalized away.
i part ways with a lot of the "anti-politics" perspectives because of their ontological problem with "politics is everything i don't like or do, therefore whatever i say isn't politics, might be anarchy" <--- that crap makes no sense to me
an anarchist rejects the idea of political representation, therefore, combative anti-authoritarian action on a personal level is primary. beyond that, it's a blank canvas, do your thing!
so to answer the prompt "are there other things anarchists might do with their time?" yes, of course. but if they don't do much of anything combative with at least some of their time, eventually they will lose their anarchist joie de vivre and become normie sauron's ring wraiths, slaves to his normie will
""politics is everything i
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 10:32
In reply to in my view, anarchism is a by lumpy (not verified)
""politics is everything i don't like or do, therefore whatever i say isn't politics, might be anarchy" <--- that crap makes no sense to me"
It makes no sense because nobody from the anti-politics position says this and you conjured it up to make some kind of weird point about your opinions on things, maann.
actually i was taking the
lumpy (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 10:36
In reply to ""politics is everything i by anon (not verified)
actually i was taking the piss, from you perhaps? :)
What do you mean by combative
anon (not verified) Mon, 03/11/2024 - 16:56
In reply to in my view, anarchism is a by lumpy (not verified)
What do you mean by combative though?
well i don't mean shit
lumpy (not verified) Tue, 03/12/2024 - 11:59
In reply to What do you mean by combative by anon (not verified)
well i don't mean shit posting, that's fer sure!
beyond that, there are many ways to fight fight fight!
football?
anon (not verified) Tue, 03/12/2024 - 18:12
In reply to well i don't mean shit by lumpy (not verified)
football?
... many ways! yep! the issue
lumpy (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 10:21
In reply to football? by anon (not verified)
... many ways! yep! the issue is not a lack of things that could be described as "combative"
you don't need me to draw you a map
important context for the attacks
anon (not verified) Tue, 03/12/2024 - 11:43
While it is true that the struggle against the police training facility in Atlanta has not managed to paralyze authority or disrupt capital in any meaningful way.
It is one of the most inspiring, promising, inciteful, innovative, struggles of autonomous insurgents in the past decade. A struggle that has time and time again breathed new life into the fires of night-time sabotage, holding a blessed black flame to nurture the combativeness, tending the fires of rebellions through constant attacks and innovation in them.
Three of the attacks mentioned (Bank Of America, the police car infront of an officers home in ATL, and a Home Depot Distribution Centre trucks) were in response/retaliation to repressive actions of the state or solidarity with comrades who were/are targets of the repression.
https://scenes.noblogs.org/post/category/communiques/
The attack on the electrical pylon that serviced the Tesla gigafactory is connected in part to the Switch Off! campaign that says
"We can scarcely blockade and sabotage as radically and uncompromisingly as climate change made by capitalism requires. But we should not be discouraged by this. In the fight against exploitation, let us challenge, sabotage and sustainably attack the infrastructure of capitalism. So that another world becomes possible! Let us cooperate with each other in solidarity to be able to live a dignified life. Let us realize our ideas in the here and now and within our struggles and actions."
https://actforfree.noblogs.org/2023/08/15/switch-off-call-for-revolt/
https://actforfree.noblogs.org/2023/08/04/switch-off-the-system-of-dest…
https://switchoff.noblogs.org/post/category/aktionen-sabotagen/
https://scenes.noblogs.org/?s=switch+off
The Switch Off! call has been repeated under the following and many more that seems promising
- arson of rail signal boxes ( 6 instances by one group as of this particular communique): https://actforfree.noblogs.org/2024/02/23/dusseldorf-germany-incendiary…
- arson of the cables that power and signal the tracks to one of Europe's largest ports: https://actforfree.noblogs.org/2023/09/19/hamburg-germany-sabotaging-th…
- the arson/destruction of a cement factory https://actforfree.noblogs.org/2024/01/26/berlin-germany-against-enviro…
- Coalfield power cabling arson: https://actforfree.noblogs.org/2023/07/31/rhine-coalfield-germany-coord…
"Are these attacks stopping the destruction of the earth?" Only one way to find out
"Are there other things anarchists might do with their time besides hurl themselves into the gears of technoindustry to stop construction for a little while?" ........... sure, I guess you can focus on something else.
OP - correction
OP CORRECTION (not verified) Tue, 03/12/2024 - 11:54
In reply to important context for the attacks by anon (not verified)
[...] autonomous insurgents [in the U.S.] in the past decade. [...]
classic anews pacifism
anon (not verified) Tue, 03/12/2024 - 12:00
classic anews pacifism
Ya'll are an embarrassment
"we create the anarchy we'd like to see in the world" is when you want people to settle and give-up because you're a sad shell of who you maybe once were and can't find a reason to fight anymore.
wha? classic? how is it
anon (not verified) Tue, 03/12/2024 - 13:21
In reply to classic anews pacifism by anon (not verified)
wha? classic? how is it classic?
and what do you think you know about the totwa topic writer that makes you presume things?
and how is questioning the efficacy of actions and the rigiiditywith which people imagine interventions something about pacifism?
seems like maybe you're exactly the person the topic is for...
Why though, why did you write
anon (not verified) Tue, 03/12/2024 - 16:27
In reply to classic anews pacifism by anon (not verified)
Why though, why did you write this response? What exactly are you responding to, spell it out for all of us please.
the prompt itself, and
anon (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 08:30
the prompt itself, and certainly majority of the comments, are actually symptomatic of a deep and protracted crisis of theory within contemporary anarchism going back probably at least 30 years.
anarchism is a combative practice and theory for the physical destruction of state power and the systematic and global suppression of capitalism, patriarchy, race, metaphysics, and all constituted authorities on earth, in this lifetime. it is not a moral principle, not a code of ethics, not a lifestyle, not a beautiful idea.
anarchism is one of many such liberatory theories and approaches in the history of our species and it has observable qualities and attributes, strengths and weaknesses.
in the end, in order to overthrow the state and to destroy capitalism, the self-organized efforts of billions will be required to take control of productive, distribution, land, and culture.
to do this, those billions confront an incredible adversary in the modern nation-state and its armies, which must be literally toppled in the course of the self-discovery of our species.
this requires an insurrection -- in other words, humanity in arms against authority.
the insurrection alone creates the conditions for the cultural, international, social, and creative revolution against authority and exploitation.
without a semi-cohesive theory like this, anarchists revert to all kinds of activist criterion such as "effectiveness" and like random moralistic ideals about what is "worthwhile" in a completely inane and individiualistic way.
anarchists! one last chance if you want to be anarchists.
no u
anon (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 09:22
In reply to the prompt itself, and by anon (not verified)
spoken like a true authcom
have you ever studied anarchy
anon (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 11:37
In reply to no u by anon (not verified)
have you ever studied anarchy?
Yes...
anon (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 14:26
In reply to have you ever studied anarchy by anon (not verified)
but not from Marx. Or any other populist who's into taking control. I did study Bakoonin and Krapotkin for a while, but even they weren't really about this taking control of mass production absurdity.
The tools and means are the product of a system. Anarchy is not a system, and was never meant to be. Let's not confuse it with socialism, as you Lefties so much like to do.
i do not study marx and i am
anon (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 20:28
In reply to Yes... by anon (not verified)
i do not study marx and i am not a leftist.
i absolutely subscribe to the blag flag anarchy of real insurrectional anarchism, not the radlib crap and def not socialism.
when i said take over production i meant what almost eveyrone means when they say that, not what zine-readers think people mean. we have to seize farms, take over factories, occupy universities, etc. most of those things have to be closed forever, many have to be reinvented in a totally new way. many new things that are impossible to imagine now have to be invented.
this is not a refutation of the concept of real anarchy.
classical insurrectional anarchism was always denounced as a form of vanguardism by the utopians and syndicalists....and it still is. but that does not make it so.
spread anarchy, live communism
invisible (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 07:57
In reply to i do not study marx and i am by anon (not verified)
by “spread anarchy” i mean pose as anarchist online. by “live communism” i mean leaving comments on anews. everybody agrees.
we have to do things. obligation compels us collectively, comrades.
I study the blade
Bill Gillis (not verified) Fri, 03/15/2024 - 04:06
In reply to spread anarchy, live communism by invisible (not verified)
I study the blade
So yes, I did study Marx and
anon (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 15:52
In reply to i do not study marx and i am by anon (not verified)
So yes, I did study Marx and some of his contemporaries, including Jacques Camatte. And you haven't. Which is why, apparently, you can't realize that...
"we have to seize farms, take over factories, occupy universities, etc. most of those things have to be closed forever, many have to be reinvented in a totally new way. many new things that are impossible to imagine now have to be invented."
...is totally what the Marxists were about, and what the Bolcheviks did, to some extent.
But your beliefs being Marxist or not ain't the primary concern I have here. As your view, like that of most ancoms I'm reading, is badly outdated.
It doesn't look at the developments of capitalist society since WW2. You are still stuck into the Fordist critical analysis, which ended during that pivot moment, where a democratic, mass consumer neoliberal order has arisen from the war industry and its economy...an economy where now everyprole can be a successful petty capitalist -and a lot of them are- and where the means of production aren't in their hands anymore, for the most part. Because massive outsourcing to distant countries where your rev won't likely spread. Because high skilled workers are cut off from the interests of some agro farmers. Coz you can't just fucking take down Facebook, Amazon, X and Google , when your revolutionaries are already giving away their lives to these. Society is now a schizophrenic mess. Read D &G.
So if you want an anarchist society, create it, build it. That is the option still on the table but was left over. Freemaskns, Scientologists, Sikhs and even damn Theosophists had it going, so why can't "we"?
yeah i used to believe all of
anon (not verified) Fri, 03/15/2024 - 17:44
In reply to So yes, I did study Marx and by anon (not verified)
yeah i used to believe all of that mumbo jumbo. i actually got "on domestication" from a zine table at a folk punk show when i was like 16. and then D&G i of course spent more than a decade pushing.
in the end, although there are lots and lots of good kernels buried beneath the post-modernism and franco-chauvinism, it is mostly just not true. we should try to build a people's army to overthrow the government, win the revolutionary war, and reorganize human society around creativity and individuality in an abundant and interplanetary anarchic communalism.
there is not an inch of this earth that the imperialists will not bomb to hell if it poses an actual alternative or "autonomous" frame of life. the last few years has proven this already in rojava (despite the heroic, correct, worthwhile, and ongoing resistance there)
Yeah brah but you gotta admit
anon (not verified) Fri, 03/15/2024 - 00:51
In reply to i do not study marx and i am by anon (not verified)
Yeah brah but you gotta admit Marx's critique of capitalism, the shared enemy of anarchists,, makes his ideas slightly more compatible than ones from a fascist?
where do you think nihilists
anon (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 17:36
In reply to the prompt itself, and by anon (not verified)
where do you think nihilists come from?
our species-members have the same individual-subject risk-reward assessment protocols as many other semi-social animals. your line of flight is kinda up a creek rn
Well let's be honest and come
anon (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 14:16
Well let's be honest and come down to the fact that there's no way that a few attacks done by some misfits will cause any serious, lasting damage to the megamachine that's killing the planet. And there's no one who should feel ashamed, or a loser, for it.
On the other hand, tho... I did help stopping some real estate development projects, just with some more or less regular vandalism. These projects were causing a clear, direct harm to local ecosystems, and these were humid wild forest areas, and part of these were even old-growth forests. That was pretty insane to do these things on my own, without being able to connect directly with others through it and then have moist orgies or yadyada... but the very cool part of it, tho, was the fact of having this vandalism in full public display, which incited other unknowns to do the same type of stuff. That did cause some drama to a point it was talked about in local press, with the cops doing their usual sermons.
So yea, I guess if you adjust your aims to your means and scope, you can cause some fun mess.
Action Cat
Gerard Way (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 17:35
In reply to Well let's be honest and come by anon (not verified)
[Verse 3]
We want action and decision that we can't fake
We got firecracker wishes that we can make
[Chorus]
We can make it up again
We can make it up again
And we don't care, we just pretend
With our faces on the mend
And don't ask a lot and you won't lose a lot
Don't ask for much
Oogles of yor romanticized
anon (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 17:03
Oogles of yor romanticized the idea of moving to the desert and living on the margins where the State was unable to wield influence over our lives. Flash forward to now when most the oogles of yor have instead moved to the suburbs and gotten jobs. The self-proclaimed "life-style" anarchists have traded in their studded battle jackets and butt-flaps for dad sweaters and khaki pants. They replaced riding dirty face on a straight shot to Asheville for a hour long commute to the Amazon data center to work a 9 to 5. Life-style anarchism? Not in this economy
If you think that's bad you
anon (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 04:09
In reply to Oogles of yor romanticized by anon (not verified)
If you think that's bad you should see what's become of the academics!
grow up
adult (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 07:47
In reply to If you think that's bad you by anon (not verified)
in the end, all that matters is financial independence and stability, having health insurance, and saving for your retirement.
get a job, pay your taxes, go to sleep early, eat your vegetables, exercise regularly.
one source of dignity for
anon (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 09:58
In reply to grow up by adult (not verified)
one source of dignity for anarchists is bearing indignities with chin held up high while not losing integrity. some people choose to sidestep the indignities of anarchist integrity.
proudly dressed in rags,
lumpy (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 10:45
In reply to one source of dignity for by anon (not verified)
proudly dressed in rags, proudly patching boots with duct-tape, proudly attempting to get the mildew smell out of everything, proudly showering in the gas station bathroom and so on and so on
Yes, I would die in the
anon (not verified) Sat, 03/16/2024 - 09:48
In reply to one source of dignity for by anon (not verified)
Yes, I would die in the gutter before I sidestep the indignities of anarch integrity, but a meat burger with lettuce, onion and tomato would be nice.
See... That's the part your
Brain Helper (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 16:25
In reply to grow up by adult (not verified)
See... That's the part your bird brain missed with this religious convition of yours:
When the only way to "grow up" and become what you *perceive* as an adult is to submit and conform to whatever is the norm and the Laaaauuu; then not only all you gotta offer to kids is being mindless, selfless, tasteless and *bland* slaves 'til they die; but it's also a great way to get what they now call "early dementia". Maybe not a great deal offer after all.
Damn, yo. Battery fires are
anon (not verified) Wed, 03/13/2024 - 17:53
Damn, yo. Battery fires are hard to put out. Especially those lithium-ion electric cars use.
Humans don't have the capabilities to destroy and kill the Earth. They can make it uncomfortable for themselves and some animals, but not kill it. If huge asteroids can repeatedly slam into Earth can't do it, then humans mining shit, burning oil, cutting down trees, dumping chemicals in the ocean, farming...etc is chump change in comparison and sure as fuck won't do it. The pace of evolution to and around man and capitalist man actions is insane. It's like a mass speciation's event.
It's not feasible for anarchists to play the environmental police.
there's a lot of space rocks
lumpy (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 14:29
In reply to Damn, yo. Battery fires are by anon (not verified)
there's a lot of space rocks out there with no life on them, there's probably not very many like this one and you can't really "kill" a space rock at all so ... "make [life] uncomfortable" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your logic
anon just wants a endless
anon (not verified) Thu, 03/14/2024 - 15:20
In reply to there's a lot of space rocks by lumpy (not verified)
anon just wants a endless free pass for pollution and never mind the externalities. and plus, all we care is living comfortably anyways. it’s not a consolation prize fore me if the world’s cutest species of bacteria survives and thrives anthropocene, if all the biodiversity becomes extinct.
you know what else is cute?
lumpy (not verified) Sun, 03/17/2024 - 10:03
In reply to anon just wants a endless by anon (not verified)
you know what else is cute? reframing any desire for more than a dead space rock as "the environmental police"
that's really fukin cute, i could just pinch anon's cheek!
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