by ArtxmisGrahamThoreau
Oct 27, 2024
Artxmis and Brady discuss the upcoming American election, anarchist perspective(s) on elections, and the issues involved.
Mentioned / relevant links:
1. Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
Comments
really? the election? voting?
anon (not verified) Mon, 10/28/2024 - 08:46
really? the election? voting?
that is just some tired-asses stuff right there.
do we really need to talk about inventing the wheel over and over?
Oh no! People are talking
TranslationBot (not verified) Mon, 10/28/2024 - 13:16
In reply to really? the election? voting? by anon (not verified)
Oh no! People are talking about things I do not think they should be talking about I will tell them about it! I am a very smart anarchist participant.
8:46
anonymous (not verified) Mon, 10/28/2024 - 09:52
8:46
new people all the time. someone has to show them the ropes. doesnt' sound like you're gonna do it...
oh yeah, i was waiting for
anon (not verified) Mon, 10/28/2024 - 14:19
In reply to 8:46 by anonymous (not verified)
oh yeah, i was waiting for that perennial response that sounds dumber every time i hear it. it is why it never gets any better.... once again for the new folks!!! how did they ever find their way here?
... why do you need to keep
lumpy (not verified) Mon, 10/28/2024 - 15:04
In reply to oh yeah, i was waiting for by anon (not verified)
... why do you need to keep asking a question where the answer "sounds dumber" every time?
so you hang around the front door, heckling anyone new and anyone who tries to help them?
extremely cool story!
no, i also love to poke fun
anon (not verified) Mon, 10/28/2024 - 15:35
In reply to ... why do you need to keep by lumpy (not verified)
no, i also love to poke fun at the one's who have been here way too long as well...
look. seriously. as long as anarchists feel the obligation to stay 101 endlessly, it will remain that way.
there has been enough said along those lines, say something new and controversial, that's what anarchists should be doing, pushing not pulling.
i agree that "staying 101"
anonymous (not verified) Mon, 10/28/2024 - 15:49
In reply to no, i also love to poke fun by anon (not verified)
i agree that "staying 101" endlessly is ridiculous. but not all projects do all things. some people can be doing 101. other people can be doing other things. and the people who do 101 can do it well or badly. is your actual problem that you think this conversation about voting is not a good one?
yes, this conversation is not
anon (not verified) Tue, 10/29/2024 - 08:47
In reply to i agree that "staying 101" by anonymous (not verified)
yes, this conversation is not a good one. why single out one of so many reformative ways every 4 years to criticize, as if it is any different or more important? policy, politics, and politicians are not ours to respond to. they are all enemies of the same lot. move on. but anarchists can't because they are too knee-jerk and at the end of the day still want to be part of society.
i'm irritated that i feel the
anon (not verified) Tue, 10/29/2024 - 09:57
In reply to yes, this conversation is not by anon (not verified)
i'm irritated that i feel the urge to respond to your simplistic offers here, but so it goes. first, not ALL anarchists do this.
second, one singles out some things because they are relevant to the times, or to some of the people you think might be open to different ideas, or because you're tired of people making bad arguments and you want to refute them all coherently in one place.
i bet you can come up with some reasons yourself, if only you weren't playing simple-minded for the internet.
yeah, like i implied before,
lumpy (not verified) Tue, 10/29/2024 - 14:01
In reply to i'm irritated that i feel the by anon (not verified)
yeah, like i implied before, it's completely bad faith or else it's asinine but i guess the mods felt i was being "mean" or whatever, which is also not the point but here we are!
101
Artxmis (not verified) Mon, 10/28/2024 - 17:18
In reply to no, i also love to poke fun by anon (not verified)
Endless 101 or fast food theory can be frustrating, but the Uncivilized project does far more than that. Occasionally revisiting the basics is important and we explain that early on.
Should Anarchists Vote is Not the Right Question
Wayne Price (not verified) Wed, 10/30/2024 - 14:18
In reply to 101 by Artxmis (not verified)
I agree that revisiting the basics is often useful. After all, it isn't like too many people have heard the arguments for anarchism! whether on voting or anything else.
I did try to discuss the election issue from another angle: "Should Anarchists Vote? is Not the Question"
https://www.anarkismo.net/article/33032
thanks wayne
anon (not verified) Wed, 10/30/2024 - 16:31
In reply to Should Anarchists Vote is Not the Right Question by Wayne Price (not verified)
thanks wayne
Your welcome. Wayne
Wayne Price (not verified) Wed, 10/30/2024 - 23:10
In reply to thanks wayne by anon (not verified)
Your welcome.
Wayne
Anarchist anti-electoralism
anon (not verified) Thu, 10/31/2024 - 15:40
Anarchist anti-electoralism typically falls into the same limited box as most anarchist activism: appealing (implicitly if not explicitly) to liberals and leftists while missing the point almost entirely. Every time the bourgeois electoral circus rolls around, plenty of anarchists can be found to debate one side or other of the “question” of voting (usually with arguments at least a century old); I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anarchist anti-electoral propaganda addressing the huge swath of the public that *already doesn’t vote.*
"I don’t know if I’ve ever
anon (not verified) Fri, 11/01/2024 - 09:35
In reply to Anarchist anti-electoralism by anon (not verified)
"I don’t know if I’ve ever seen anarchist anti-electoral propaganda addressing the huge swath of the public that *already doesn’t vote.*"
Hello, fellow anarchist. Tell us you've never heard of CrimethInc. without explicitly saying it.
Crimethinc stopped being
anon (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 04:33
In reply to "I don’t know if I’ve ever by anon (not verified)
Crimethinc stopped being relevant a long time ago, and in the era youre referring to it was basically only aimed at punx, so I don’t really get your point.
ahh yes, relevancy gatekeeper
lumpy (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 08:12
In reply to Crimethinc stopped being by anon (not verified)
ahh yes, relevancy gatekeeper annnd here you stand!
in the abandoned, dusty, derelict mining town that is the @news comments section
lumpy, sometimes your
anonymous (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 09:03
In reply to ahh yes, relevancy gatekeeper by lumpy (not verified)
lumpy, sometimes your responses are worse than what you're responding to. i call it the bob black syndrome.
it's sad.
if my humour isn't to your
lumpy (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 09:09
In reply to lumpy, sometimes your by anonymous (not verified)
if my humour isn't to your taste, there's the entire internet to choose from!
another fantastic response. i
anonymous (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 09:53
In reply to if my humour isn't to your by lumpy (not verified)
another fantastic response. i belong here as much as you do
i'm not telling you to leave
lumpy (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 10:39
In reply to another fantastic response. i by anonymous (not verified)
i'm not telling you to leave ... i'm saying i don't care if you don't like my jokes ...
my jokes are for ME ;)
you don't seem to understand
anonymous (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 10:50
In reply to i'm not telling you to leave by lumpy (not verified)
you don't seem to understand how words work, but since you just owned yourself, i'll leave it at that.
baseless assertion to make
lumpy (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 16:12
In reply to you don't seem to understand by anonymous (not verified)
baseless assertion to make yourself feel better <--- know what those words mean?
Not gate keeping shit I just
anon (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 09:16
In reply to ahh yes, relevancy gatekeeper by lumpy (not verified)
Not gate keeping shit I just never hear about them anymore vs. twenty years ago their stuff was everywhere. And it was very punk oriented even though they took the aesthetic in some different directions. I know they got into writing really long boring essays for a while after that. Are they really still active?
well they were purged from
lumpy (not verified) Sun, 11/03/2024 - 10:38
In reply to Not gate keeping shit I just by anon (not verified)
well they were purged from twitter by elon so that seems to indicate relevancy from his perspective
Why?
Buddy Baker (not verified) Thu, 10/31/2024 - 20:46
Why?
Coz you don't know how to
anon (not verified) Fri, 11/01/2024 - 05:48
In reply to Why? by Buddy Baker (not verified)
Coz you don't know how to thread your replies.
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