by thecollective Sep 8, 2024

From Abolition Media

In response to the call for action for Palestine, we put up this banner in Queens, New York to connect the struggle here to the valiant resistance in Palestine. While this may be a small symbolic action in comparison to what the fighters are doing in Gaza and the West Bank, we hope they will see this as a salute to their efforts. The work they are doing on behalf of the Palestinian people is felt around the world in struggles that have not yet blossomed, but see the potential in fighting for those who have been systematically oppressed by the United States.
Long live the resistance!
Let the flood of Al Aqsa drown all settler regimes!
Death to the US!
Death to the Zionist entity!
Anarchists in New York

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anon (not verified) Mon, 09/09/2024 - 15:26

"Let the flood of Al Aqsa drown all settler regimes!"

Ob really!? Glorifying the Hamas/Islamic Jjhad attack of October 7th?

This ethno-national liberation shit is such an embarassment to anarchism.

anon (not verified) Tue, 09/10/2024 - 10:59

Maas murder and rape is fiiine... as long as the targets are JEWS and it's against colonialism. /s Mass shootings in the US are really just anti-colonial resistance! Support your local Neonazi and/or Jihadist psychopath.

anon (not verified) Tue, 09/10/2024 - 12:35

Would you kindly provide a few sources undisputedly proving a single sexual assault was carried out on October 7th? Preferably from a survivor?

anon (not verified) Tue, 09/10/2024 - 14:48

Okay, if you're so lazy making web searches, here you go...

From the "ZIONIST MEDIA":

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/04/middleeast/sexual-assault-october-7-…

https://apnews.com/article/sexual-assault-hamas-oct-7-attack-rape-bb06b…

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-israel-witnesses-evidence-show-sexua…

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hamas-rape-israeli-women-oct-7-rcna1…

Then a more balanced look into the few debunked claims, that do not negate all the evidence on the extreme violence that occurred:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-2-debunked-accounts-of-sexual-vi…

The thugs who committed these attacks were mostly afaik Islamic Jihad fighters and Mujaheedins, under Hamas command. I don't see how the claims are any surprising.

anon (not verified) Tue, 09/10/2024 - 15:29

I looked at each of these links. There's zero evidence and not a single witness. In fact, a few of the articles even state that plainly.

Anews sure is a weird place for Zionist hasbara...

anon (not verified) Tue, 09/10/2024 - 20:55

This "research" this liberal did here is indicative of the larger problem we have with "anarchists" who are really just bougeois liberals and haven't come to terms with it yet. Many of them are to the right of AOC and are often some of the loudest voices.

anon (not verified) Wed, 09/11/2024 - 21:22

These articles ARE propaganda and its only liberal scum who takes CNN and NBC as their information sources. Its remarkable people like you are considered "anarchist" or revolutionary or anything other than Murican!

anon (not verified) Thu, 09/12/2024 - 07:26

Okay, so you wanted sources coming from your non-liberal outlets approved by Hamas and their networks of Palestinian nationalist groups. I get it now.

Btw not going to defend liberals but fascists, especially of the Islamic variety, have always been very anti-liberal, as well. Hence the repression of Queer people in Palestine, for instance; as well as the support to Nazism and Holocaust denial in the school system dominated by Hamas. So careful with that Venn diagram.

As for the mainstream outlets used above (the last one is surely not mainstream), they aren't without political bias, but anyone feel free to look into the validity of their sources.

anon (not verified) Thu, 09/12/2024 - 11:23

Hey... I ain't the one pushing for PALESTINE here, and accusing anyone who doesn't agree with the Hamas/Islamic Jihad propaganda of being some sort of pro-colonialist liberals (as if pro-Israel sentiment would have a bigger base among liberals than ultra-conservatives in the West, lol). Jihadist or ethno-nationalist fascists have no place on this anarchist website, period.

anon (not verified) Thu, 09/12/2024 - 09:47

"the repression of Queer people in Palestine"

Oh you seem to be saying you care about "Queer people" being repressed. Well then, what about the repression of Queer Palestinians by Israel?

Shanda!

TranslationShanda! (not verified) Thu, 09/12/2024 - 12:44

"I'm perfectly find with the IDF (and IDF-backed settlers) killing queer Palestinians but it's tOootally unacceptable when queer-phobic Palestinians do it."

anon (not verified) Fri, 09/13/2024 - 10:00

People like you desperately need to educate yourselves on anti-colonialism, Fanon and the liberation movements of the 20th century. By your logic the entire Black freedom struggle in the US would have been enemies to you and anarchists. One could go on and on. Nat Turners rebellion would be denounced more than slavery, Jewish resistance to Germany... Oh well those jewish people are religious. There are important nuances (albeit nuances that are pretty obvious to most people on the planet) that anarchists lately seem to not understand. This is clearly partially due to white supremacy and due to the infectious liberalism that has run rampant here.

For instance, you post bourgeois propaganda without even realizing it, and view that as neutral information. Years ago it was common knowledge to most anti-capitalists that capitalist institutions are not inherently reliable forms of information. Independent and alternate views are way more common now, and the fact you went to CNN as a source, or PBS, explains it all.

One step further, since you don't look at this information closely. CNN published its own report that its news (and actually most bourgeois US news) on Palestine goes through "Israel" military propaganda censorship before you get to digest it. You'd think that would go into an "anarchists" calculations! Or would you?

One quote from a document since you probably won't actually read any of this.

“In light of the current security situation and the intensive media coverage, we wish to encourage you to submit to the Censorship all materials dealing with the activities of the Israeli Defense Forces (I.D.F.) and the Israeli security forces prior to their broadcast,” the order says. “Please update your staff of the content of this letter, with an emphasis on the news desk and field reporters.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/cnn-staff-reveal-how-israel-is-c…

https://theintercept.com/2023/12/23/israel-military-idf-media-censor/

One last point. Even if one assumed independent, reasonable information, why would anyone assume that these institutions which are beholden to the capitalist system would remain neutral in a conflict that is undermining the world system they rely on for their survival? The entire basis here is flawed bourgeois logic.

anon (not verified) Fri, 09/13/2024 - 21:52

True, Islamic theocracies are not capitalist, so anarchists muat support them or else.

Nazis were also anticap in their own special way, so they fiiiine!

...all those wonders you produce out of pure reliance ob externalized antagonisms! After all, where would you be without them!?

(btw... it's really fucked how up how can you're comparing Palestinian ethno-nationalism with the Black liberation movement; as not only they got zero historical relationship, but the former is historically rooted in the White supremacy of British, Nazi German and Russian imperialisms)

anon (not verified) Fri, 09/13/2024 - 22:46

21:52

You don't know what you are talking about. Islamic theocracies are as capitalist as they come.
And no, you US of Aye savant, the Nazis were not anti-capitalist!

anon (not verified) Sat, 09/14/2024 - 08:15

The Nazis were National-Socialist, like literally. A consolidation of business and state power in support of an ethno-nationalist cult, and that included a planned, controlled economy. That's not capitalism, or at least capitalist in the sense of Adam Smith or even Ayn Rand's capitalism.

Furthermore the very meaning of the Third Position implies a rejection of communism AND capitalism, while recuprating some of their aspects, like workerism and industrialism. The Ba'ath movement as well as the so-called socialists of the Palestinian groups related to Iran are not stranger to these tendencies, and conveniently have enjoyed support from post-war Nazis (in the case of Iran, Saddam and Assad regjmes, the early PFLP as well as even the early Nasser regime.

lumpy (not verified) Sat, 09/14/2024 - 12:55

saying they were "anti-capitalist" is just pointlessly confusing tho, taking the literal nazis at their word for some reason.

they used some completely cynical and dishonest anti-capitalist rhetoric to appeal to the german working class at the time, as fascist movements tend to do. they say whatever they think will be appealing to the majority of reactionaries, so if that's what you mean by "in their own special way", that's also called lying. lying isn't really a political position, however common it might be

anon (not verified) Sun, 09/15/2024 - 22:55

It wasn't cynical, lumoy... it's just that anti-capitalism is a vague term that can be used by monarchists and other kinds of fascists, not just the Radical Left.

lumpy (not verified) Mon, 09/16/2024 - 13:41

disagree, here's why: anti-capitalism is fundamentally about challenging the validity of hierarchies based on who has the most materials

if it isn't, there's a terminal incoherence, therefore, other systems of dominance hierarchy are adjacent to monarchism or slightly modified forms of it, only. the would-be king who wants to usurp the old king isn't making a significant change to the theory, they're just making the case for why they would be a better king or a different sort of king. that's the cynicism, which i don't actually have a problem with. my problem is with the dishonesty of the new boss, same as the old boss

do i really need to explain to you why we shouldn't just take fascists at their word? why even focus on the cynicism? we're all probably cynical around here...

anon (not verified) Sat, 09/14/2024 - 19:04

Whats fucked up is that your entire understanding of the Palestinian struggle comes down to neocon propaganda. Or that you are comparing victims of European settler colonialism to Nazi's when it is actually your Euro-nationalism that is closer to that paradigm.

And if you knew something about the Black liberation struggle you would know that the Palestinians were the closest allies of the Black Liberation struggle in the US. The connections run super deep, but of course you don't know anything about this. Furthermore, the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X, and Nat Turner would all be called theocrats or fundamentalists by your standards and would be probably viewed worse than the Klan. That is the exact paradigm you laid out.

anon (not verified) Sat, 09/14/2024 - 20:13

Woah wait... The fucking Nation of Islam!? I kinda dig Malcolm X but the NoI have always been a fascist organization, and openly antisemitic. You're the one saying that they're worse than the Klan or something. Pick better examples.

anon (not verified) Sun, 09/15/2024 - 20:22

The Nation of Islam isn't an odd example. That is an important historical example from Marcus Garvey's UNIA, to the Nation, to Malcolm, then to the Panthers. One can choose to ignore colonized people's history. But Black people, and other colonized people understand, and attempt to understand these nuances. Without Malcolm X joining the Nation of Islam, it is likely the Panthers would not have come into being. So again, there's a willingness here to not engage with oppressed people's traditions and look at the world with an ideological rigidity that ensures "anarchism" will stay where it is.

anon (not verified) Sun, 09/15/2024 - 20:53

Peace God.
Ignore these crackers and their cracker-ass demands working overtime for Yakub's IDF.
Peace.

anon (not verified) Sun, 09/15/2024 - 22:19

Oh? But perhaps anarchism should evolve into suppoeting fascist and nationalist organizations... and fight as petty soldiers of demagogues and despots?

WHY NOT!?

Anything less would be "Purism", rite?

anon (not verified) Sat, 09/14/2024 - 20:28

I don't see where Nat Turner could be considered a theocrat, or how he's got any relationship with the Palestinian movement.

Pan-Arab (then Palestinian) nationalism is a byproduct of British imperialism in the region, and then Nazi German imperialism, before it was resurrected in the '60s. There's zero instance of any ethno-national liberation movement prior to the '60s, besides the historical revisionism of some privileged Columbia Uni professor who rebrands every Arab movement in the region as "Palestinian".

Mandatory Palestine was called that way, not because there was already a "Palestine" there, but because the British were calling their colonial mandate in accordance with the Roman Empire's province of Palestina, which was the last existing iteration of Palestine as a political territorial designation. Phillistines have always been there, for sure, but Palestine was ALWAYS the political product (and vehicle) of some foreign power. And as of now, it is the vehicle of Russia and Iran.

anon (not verified) Sun, 09/15/2024 - 20:30

Nat Turner was referenced not cause he was a theocrat but because he was deeply religious and believe he was acting on a religious basis in his actions. His rebellion is hardly look at as unprecedented today, which is how Palestinians actions are viewed by those who aren't beholden to Euro-nationalism.

Lastly, you can continue to attempt to justify colonialism as you chose. Just be aware it is obvious to anyone without a Klans hood what you are doing. The entity of Palestine as a designated nation-state, recognized by other states -- while an integral part of what the resistance groups are fighting for -- is secondary to what everyone clearly understands. Palestinian people are indigenous to the lands they have been displaced from by a European settler colonial project. The reestablishing of their autonomy, on their own terms, is what revolutionaries and others should be fighting for. Your attempts to disguise that argument are obvious.

anon (not verified) Sun, 09/15/2024 - 22:42

And I, like other antiauthoritarians, will forever be fighting dogshit brutish demagogues that rely solely on the use of ressentiment-driven historical revisionism to send the gullible and the poorly-informed to the battlefield. This counts for you... this counts for UkWaynians, as well as all the other ID pols manipulators.

I don't care about your contrived view of colonialism and that weird narrative about racial oppression interconnecting Black people in the US with Palestinians, and ain't got no liberatory project up against this society.

You are denying the Holocaust, accusing any kind of Zionim of being White supremacy and are in complete denial also about the non-existence of the Palestinian movement before the '60s. Then you are expecting anarchists to take you seriously.

Gtfo brow, and read some different books. This is not antizionistnews.org, Captain!

anon (not verified) Sun, 09/15/2024 - 23:56

"accusing any kind of Zionim of being White supremacy"

Shalom. Different anon here. Let me make this very clear for you: Zionism, every single "kind" of Zionism, is white supremacy, is authoritarianism, is completely incompatible with anarchism.

Shanda!

GiggyMantis (n… (not verified) Mon, 09/16/2024 - 06:42

I can't even begin to describe how wrong this is. "The non-existence of the Palestinian movement before the '60s"
You literally sound like a fascist talking about the queer liberation movement.

anon (not verified) Mon, 09/16/2024 - 15:07

Okay, fucktards... Giving you one more chance to prove me evidence of a proper Palestinian national.liberation movement predating the '60s. Also whishing you good luck on your one-way trip to explore the Sun.

anon (not verified) Tue, 09/10/2024 - 15:03

Wait hold up...

...am I to gather that you would ONLY take issue with the attack of October 7th ONLY IF it involved a sexual assault?

So, senseless indiscriminate mass killing of random people is totally fine in your view

But if it involves a non-consensual groping.... all of a sudden.... "REAL SHIT!"

????????

anon (not verified) Tue, 09/10/2024 - 15:33

Kibbutz were formed as a way to socialistically exclude non-Jewish farm labors from the Zionist economy. They did not want to become dependent on non-Jewish labor because they saw that outcome as a form of collaboration with non-Jews. A kibbutz is a tiny little ethno-state.

It's also extremely hard to tell who killed who when 28 attack helicopters completely emptied their munitions and reloaded and kept firing on positions with civilians, outside of any chain of command.

anon (not verified) Tue, 09/10/2024 - 21:23

Wanna read something fresh to shake up your ideologically mindfucked braib!?

If you're brave enough, do a web search for pre-1948 pogroms in Mandatory Palestine and way before as well. Look it up!

But it's blatantly falwe that non-jewish people weren't included in kibbutzes.

anon (not verified) Wed, 09/11/2024 - 06:24

Does it get more indiscriminate than 11 months of 2,000 lb. bombs and endless tank shelling dropped on non-combatants?

anon (not verified) Wed, 09/11/2024 - 06:55

Yes, Russia is being way more indiscriminate in Ukraine, done it for two.and a half years now. They aren't as pressured by US Democrats, Egypt and other parties to limit their onslaught.

anon (not verified) Wed, 09/11/2024 - 08:04

Israel killed more CHILDREN in Gaza in the FIRST MONTH off their genocidal offensive than have died in Ukraine during the whole conflict with Russia.

Who the heck comes on Anews to spread lies like this? This is some of the weirdest trolling I've ever seen here. Pro-genocide trolling is truly on another level.

anon (not verified) Wed, 09/11/2024 - 09:06

Hamas and other Jihadist groups openly enroll children to die for the Cause.. so that ain't any better. The pattern's been happening since the '70s, as Palestinian factions are capitalizing on mass death stats for the PR and foreign funding. Likely why the median population age in Gaza is so low.

Once again your predictable one-sided dead angles are showing.

anon (not verified) Wed, 09/11/2024 - 09:39

Hold up. Are you saying this feeble "good luck" because the mods don't support Hamas or the establishment of the State of Palestine through their selective authoritarian moderation practices? Few people despise them as much as I and even I find you peepee poopoo a little ridiculous.

Also, you do realise that there are MANY Arabic speaking people that do not support Hamas, right?

anon (not verified) Wed, 09/11/2024 - 11:49

Ah yes... ALL Arabs must be aligned with whatever Palestinian statist or jihadist organization, and also are Islamists by default...

Here you have, anarchists and especially the anarcho-curious... on full, clear display, the absurd, brutish retardation that religious fanaticism has effected upon minds for ages, with zero trace of any historical variation. From people that never read anything else than their Good Book.

anon (not verified) Tue, 09/10/2024 - 13:33

Whoever did the banner is probably very young, so people should not be too harsh with them.

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