AGF: Fire To The Condos!

Last night we burned down a yuppie development on 1st ave near Victoria. We are tired of seeing our lives and memories being torn down one development at a time. We wish and will create fear for developers in East Vancouver. The class war is heating up. We have no intention on stopping. If we, if you, allow this continue you will be pushed out of East Vancouver due to rising rent and gentrification. If you are the cause of gentrification you should never feel safe

For a world where no one is homeless, hassled by police, the state or capitalists.

(A)GF

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Pics or i didn't happen.

Pics of Derrick Jensen's penis or it didn't happen.

I definitely think that targeting a structure that close to other residential dwellings is a wee bit irresponsible to say the least. I generally support arson as a tactic if it's done in a responsible manner (ie. avoiding harm to innocent people). Maybe the folks who carries out this act did take precautions and the media is just spinning this (which they usually due). I hope folks stay safe and free, but I gotta say this action makes me a little nervous. Hopefully folks can learn from their mistakes and continue forward.

The houses on either side of the condo were also apparently damaged, which sucks. Hopefully they'll be more careful next time.

shut the fuck up

yeah, people can't be supportive and critical at the same time right...

i was really hoping for a penis pic. i am dissappointed. i guess i'll find some other penis pic and just pretend it's DJ's.

“It delays everything. I guess that’s the main objective, just to stop everything from moving,” Dhaliwal said. “They don’t want to see change.”

wait, anarchists hate chaos now?

What is it you call "chaos"? You mean banker's nihilism, enforced and protected by the social order of a Police State?

No, that's nowhere near chaos. Chaos is indiscriminate, just like anarchy.

And... there is more to come. For instance, me and my gentrification buddies have been crapping in the urinals of every yuppy restaurants we find. You know why? because we are the COOLEST antie gentrifizing front ever! That's right we are too cool for skool. That's what I told my grade 9 teacher before jerking off and leaving skool for evah!

I definitely speak for all members of the AGF when I say, all you upper class peoplse are dum, we r smart and cool! We dont need to work and shit because being cool is the most important thing in the world.

So anyways we are practicing a drive-by "smear" campaign against the local capitalist yuppy wal mart. Basically my buddy will drive his car while I stick my butt out of the window and try too poo on everyone and everything. This will be our greatest stand. I spent all night thinking of the smartest way to get back at these yuppys, and I have to admit that I am pretty proud of myself for coming up with this brilliant plan in less than 45 hours

I tried testing this but I ended up crapping on the side of my friends car cuz the poo did not shoot far enouf, note to self, gotta eat more mexican. Btw, we need gas for our car for the "smear" campaign so I am hoping anyone who reads this will kindly donate to our cause cuz gas is expensiv yo. plus my mom won't give me any money and I already spent all my welfare money this month. btw if you guys know of ways to get money without working, let me know. If you dont donate than you are a capitalist fashist

(A)GF

also, heres me with a sign I stole.

no matter how hard you capitalist yuppys try, you will never be as cool as I am.

http://scoutmag.s3.amazonaws.com/2013/03/Screen-Shot-2013-03-20-at-11.58...

(A)GF

the shitty thing about comments like this is that a potentially valid point gets completely mired in its reactionary garbage (hope the cops find you!), allowing folks who maybe should read it to instead just ignore it.

hope the cops find you!

IGTT 3/10

They were quoting the post above.

IGTS 2/10

(that stands for "I Give This Sheep 2 out of 10")

The next door neighbours have homes, so that means they have jobs, so they are supporting the capitalist system and therefore are guilty of gentrifying the neighbourhood. Who cares if their house burns too?

Or they were low-income tenants like the ones AGF is trying to defend. Not sure if you're being facetious, but if not, recklessly hurting people without regard for who they are is obviously insane. There could have been children, animals, elderly people in there, who knows. We don't, and the AGF certainly didn't either.

I hope you're being facetious. On the chance that you're not, I can only say:
. . . if they have jobs they are supporting the capitalist system and so guilty of gentrifying. . . and so who cares about them. . . really? So your problem is people with jobs? People who work hard supporting their families, providing for their children, supporting the causes they believe in? People who work hard to try and improve the world, improve their communities and make a difference? These are the people you want to see burned to the ground? So who pays for your welfare cheques? Who pays for your food? Who pays for the bottles of whatever you drink? Or is your hatred for the 'capitalist' system so strong, so pure, that you don't use or accept money (not from the state, not from a friend) for anything? That would be interesting -- if that was the case I'd suggest you write a book, tell us all how you manage, then give it away for free. . . But it doesn't sound like you'd be too interested in doing anything that productive or socially helpful.
If you are being facetious, I think my comment goes out to the entire AGF, a group that can be understood by its motto: 'pay our welfare but if you offer us a job we will burn you down'.

I doubt you'll find many anarchists who are happy with the prospect of a welfare state.

without welfare you'll have to get a job, or live on rabbits and sleep in a straw hut.

All the anti-civ people I've met don't seem like hunters or gatherers to me, and many anarchists seemed allergic to work.

It is sometimes said that in military strategy that what you can get or take from your enemy is worth 10 times what you can get from your supporters. I'd say anarchists would gladly take welfare - it's free money.

It takes money to pay for all them books and records and stuff.

"many anarchists seem allergic to work"
Also, we hate capitalism, and the state, and patriarchy, some of us hate civilization too.
I wonder where you finally stumbled upon this notion?

Don't worry. People like that commenter usually give up their vaguely understood ideals after a couple of years, and then they become yuppies themselves.

I actually care if people get to burn alive in a neighboring house. Putting buildings on fire with people inside is exactly what capitalist thugs and FASCISTS do, and I don't see where we are better than them if we do the same. U

We seek to destroy civilization, not people. If you're too cowardly to find a way to separate those two already independent issues, you are part of the problem. For as much as yuppies are despicable, to say that they deserve to be killed in the most painful, cowardly ways is beyond insane, and it's got NOTHING to do with anarchy. It's just terribly sociopathic.

I wouldn't for sure call the cops on a nutjob like you, but I wouldn't mind at all if you get removed from circulation.

baka baka

I googled news for east Vancouver fire. Nothing came up within the past 2 days, however a woman died on the 12th due to a fire in Vancouver. Is this the result of your valiant action, you fucking jerk-off?-----or did you start a fire in a vacant building that is under construction, got your rocks off, and ran away as it fizzled out.......-----like a a 9 year old child. By the way, if you have any questions about what anarchism is about, perhaps you should ask an anarchist before you feel justified to potentially destroy lives by starting fires.

Do you get your rocks off seeing families being displaced by gentrification? What about the thousands "women" and "children" who lose their homes do to foreclosures? What about all the lives and cultures destroyed by development and colonialism? It's capitalism and gentrification which destroys lives on a systemic scale, not anarchists.

Of course I do not advocate the inherent destruction of lives and cultures that results from capitalism. However, if someone protests capitalism by violence and by taking away the rights to of innocents to live---whether or not the innocents are stupid, ignorant, smart, or informed---then that protestor is falling into the exact mind-frame of a fascist. To protest civilization through violence is to advocate the means by which civilization exists. Furthermore, you should expand the horizons of what you think of as an atrocity beyond "capitalism" to include civilization itself. Civilization is the violent oppression of the land, the animals who inhabit the land, and humanity itself.

Wait who said anything about killing innocent people? When have anarchists ever killed innocent people? If you want to critique property destruction as a tactic, then fine whatever, but to accuse anarchists of "taking away the rights to of innocents to live" is just really bizarre and out of touch.

I guess I am out of touch with people who dissassociate thier pride in starting fires in a residential zone from violence. By the way, your assertion that no anarchist has ever killed an innocent is bizarre and out of touch with history. I am an anarchist and to me that means that i can not deny the fact that people have committed atrocities based on ideologies---religious fundamentalism, ethnic or racial perceptions of superiority, federalism vs. confederalism, capitalism, communism, anarchism!. Ideology is practically a prerequisite for every historical atrocity in the industrial era. Perhaps belief itself is the problem. All I am saying is, do not take yourself so seriously, because your belief is more dangerous than your reason. ........."Why so serious?"

I know the history of anarchism and I understand that in the distant past anarchists have killed people and carried out actions which could be deemed as unethical. Your comment implies that this action killed innocent people and that anarchists kill innocent people all the time. That is just nutty and out of touch with reality. BTW if anarchists were to carry out actions which targeted innocent civilians, I (as well as all the anarchists I know), would have a huge problem with that, but to my knowledge that is not the case with this action or any other actions being carried out anarchists.

It recklessly endangered the families around it. Setting shit on fire is not a very precise tactic.

Precisely! But 7 billion souls on the planet (or what's left of it) won't survive the end of civilization. Not to worry, the fascist counterpart to violent anarchists provoked into existence will eliminate the competition long before civilization crumbles.

You seem to get yours off by burning families alive, idiot.

Explain to me where those proles living in a flamed house are "capitalism and gentrification". Why it's always the fucking proles who have to pay their lives for the fucking fat cats who enjoy their resorts, UNATTACKED, on private islands and in luxury hotels, all thanks to idiots like YOU and their fucked up reasoning.

There's a world of difference between burning a car with, or without people inside.

You're fucking Cointelpro shill.

Yeah, capitalism sucks. Still, it has done more to bring people out of poverty than communism or socialism. Countries that have used those systems tend to be impoverished, autocratic messes.

But you guys... you guys wouldn't do it that way. No. You would create a workers paradise. Everybody would have enough to eat, and there would be gardens and music and black hoodies for all.

If you guys could point to one fucking thing you actually built, vs destroyed, maybe you'd have an argument, but simply putting on a potluck for your squat mates doesn't cut it when you're talking about creating a system wherein billions of people get what they need to live.

Capitalism sucks, but I trust it a million times more than I do people who recklessly burn down houses in crowded neighbourhoods. You dumbasses think you're acting out of some intellectual drive to create a new world, but really, you are most likely acting because you are young, stupid, and driven by hormones that make you act like retards.

This is the very thing that turns ppl off from Anarchism. smh. I hope hes ostracized from the community

Do you realize that "yuppies" are the siblings of many "anarchists"? Perhaps, instead of destroying so-called "yuppie condos", you should focus on the destruction of all apartment buildings in general. After all, if you do not acknowledge or respect the capitalist system, then you should acknowledge that all apartments are owned by landlords. Perhaps you should burn down the source of landlords' revenue by torching the homes of the poor? That makes perfect sense, right? By setting fire to apartment buildings that house low-income renters, you are hitting the landlords right in the wallet. Plus, you get the added benefit of knowing that you caused someone to die by a flame and I'll bet that makes you feel good..

I want to smack you almost as much as I admire your ability to troll me.....I do not care who you are random Internet guy, but I guess you win this time.

mm... shove it down and push my head so you go deeper.

That was your third post in a row, about oral sex. Is this an absession with you. Have you ever talked with a psychologist about it? And why are your sexual fetishes a suitable form of Anarchist "news"?

people do burn the "houses of the poor." It happens in riots all the time, when the poor "destroy their own neighborhoods" and i think it's fucking great.

total destruction!

You've probably never been poor.

Ain't it the truth. Most violent 'lifestyle anarchists' are spoiled rich kid dilettantes with too much time on their hands attending school on the parent's/state's dime. Only the privileged speak of the 'end of civilization' and the joy of 'total destruction'. The poor and homeless are too busy trying to survive for such nonsense. The sad fact is, nobody knows your a dog on the internet...or if you're over 15.

hahaha you clearly don't know many anarchists. most are the poorest ppl i know. and i know lots of ppl

I don't think that the person commenting was saying that individual anarchist are wealthy but that their families are. It is this wealth derived from sucking the life out of the working class that allows the children of the upper middle class and wealthy to engage in political activities such as Anarchism or Maoism. After years of bourgeois neo-anarchist actions in Seattle it is a strange coincident that whenever a "neo-anarchist" is arrested for revolutionary tactics such as breaking a window out of a public building or a store their parents spring for bail and provide a private attorney along with bringing their misguided sons back to a suburban surrounding.

Many believe it is telling that neo-anarchist have failed to gain any support from the working class and that neo anarchist spend considerable energy attacking working class institutions and/or attempt to exercise hegemonistic tactics over working class organizations.

Maybe the police only choose to arrest the sons of white upper middle class parents who proclaim their allegiance to anarchist principles and in that case the person commenting would be wrong.

I think that is what he was saying.

True, so that the capitalist landlords cash-in from their fat insurances while getting millions in funds for building a new condo development at the same place. And you get your cut from him to go get your well-deserved dose of Crack.

Perfect loop.

Fucking bravo, wingnut "anarchists"!

"Total destruction... hell yeuuuah!!!"

- random orc sitting at his bulldozer

slay slay

That is the ultimate goal of our Anarchist group. Once all the apartment buildings in Vancouver are burned and we have smashed the state, then we will live in an egalitarian society where we can all squat on whatever land we like. Not like now where only people with jobs can rent apartments, soon we will all be able to make our own shacks on land anywhere we like in the city - because the land is owned by the people, not the Capitalist State.

Sounds good to me! But I call dibs on 3rd beach.

Typical B.C. Leftist pipe-dreaming.

I get the feeling that before that happens, you're more likely to be squatting a prison. Or those Downtown Eastside's sidewalks, once you've got most of you brain destroyed by bad drugs in jail.

No worse strategy than a nutjob's tactics.

baka!

I think we could all use a little more radical patience.

Stop being reasonable! You can either advocate killing innocent people in the name of anarchist ideology or a fascist who murders the disenfranchised! Either way you are a muderer, so are you a benign murderer or not?

ANARCHISTS KILL INNOCENT WOMEN WITH PIES AND MAGIC MARKERS!

burritos?

If you got a burrito your not a woman. If you got a burrito your a man. Burrito = Man

Actually the headline should read "Racist White Suburban Upper Middle Class Twenty Somethings Attack Minority Community Investments". Or maybe, "Racist White Suburban Upper Middle Class Twenty Somethings Attempt to Burn Minority Families out of Vancouver's East Side". or maybe "Upper Income White Youth Burn and Attack Minority Communities While Hiding Behind Revolutionary Politics".

Yeah, I bet the poor people of Vancouver are all really disappointed their real estate investments aren't going to bring the returns they were hoping for as they were kicked out of another bedbug-ridden hotel.

If a few people die while we are lighting fires, so be it. It is called collateral damage and some people will just unfortunately have to die before we have a new, glorious, Anarchist state.

Seriously? People have already died fighting these sorts of battles. You are merely stating an obvious fact.

Now you're just trying to push people's buttons... facist troll!

When you say "fascist troll!" my drug addled mind pictures a meter tall Mussolini living under a bridge extracting tolls from people crossing the bridge.I ask my self where would he buy his uniforms?

it's the cnn 9 o clock news troll crew. why are you here? isn't harassment illegal? Isn't it illegal to instigate or encourage violence? Also, by crew I mean one fart dude who thinks he's a hacker because he's heard of irc and uses proxys.

Fuck off and die - this is our website and we can censor anyone we want because - WE'RE ANARCHISTS!

This sounds like DGR reasoning.

Didja made a vow to Ascended Master Jensen to go to jail for Him?

In British Columbia at least, condos are not always bought by yuppies, but often by low income working people. The idea that condos are always yuppie shelters might have been true statistically 25 years ago, but that is no longer the case. Condos are usually half or two thirds less than the price of a house, so lower income/single income working families usually buy them because they are all they can afford. The "yuppie" label is often just a morally driven distraction from focusing on/identifying the real enemies of social freedom. We might want to keep in mind that poor radical artists, hip radical poets and rebellious sounding radical philosophers, all apparently allies of anarchists, are as much a vanguard of gentrification in many neighborhoods as urban professionals because it's the culture (cafes, bookstores, used clothing boutiques, vegan restaurants, indie film showings, street performers, etc.) associated with their scenes that make these neighborhoods interesting to yuppies in the first place. But the hip radical sub-cultures, unfortunately, don't spring up from among the residents of the neighborhoods they live in, but are typically created by outsiders themselves invading an ethnic or working class neighborhood. East van, for instance, was for a long time a grouping of working class, primarily immigrant neighborhoods. I guess i'm wondering what types of tactics and activities are most appropriate there in terms of the civil war/war against nature that defines this era.

I appreciate your comment, well put. Unfortunately, it's most likely lost on most of the pathetic, dressed in black sheep found here.

Gentrification isn't driven by consumer preference, it's driven by market forces - the "first wave" (artists, drop outs, poor whites) are a symptom, and not a cause.
Of course, for this same reason, firebombing condos needs to be understood as propaganda, and not actually a means to stop gentrification in and of itself (can't blow up a social relationship, etc.).

Anyway, I don't know what planet you live on where "low income working people" can afford to own condos or houses in Vancouver. Have you been to Vancouver in this decade? Really, condos are def. exclusively yuppie shelters there, unless you have a horrendously skewed notion of what constitutes a "low income".

"poor radical artists, hip radical poets and rebellious sounding radical philosophers, all apparently allies of anarchists, are as much a vanguard of gentrification in many neighborhoods as urban professionals because it's the culture (cafes, bookstores, used clothing boutiques, vegan restaurants, indie film showings, street performers, etc.) associated with their scenes that make these neighborhoods interesting to yuppies in the first place."

...except that's not at all how gentrification has proceeded in East Van. you don't know what you're talking about. associations of condo owners have consistently lobbied the city to close down artist galleries, music venues, 'hip' bars, and anything that attracts poor people. how did the Cobalt get shut down? What happened to the countless other spaces that were aggressively shut down by the lobbyists and the city they run?

There was even a fucking documentary made about how shitty vancouver has become due to its anti-cultural gentrification.
http://www.nofuncity.org/

so stop trying to apply the formulas from other cities to Van, idiot.

Compared to other cities your art is shit, your bands are shit, your poetry is shit & the culture you think you're spawning is watered-down, wack & corny.

Mass Grave is from vancouver and their fuckin sick

Actually their bands are pretty good. Sorry dude.

seriously. anarchists need a much better platform of ideas for discussing gentrification. to think that it is the same in Los Angeles, SF, NYC and Vancouver is just indication that our shit is just not thought out in this regard.

I take issue with comparing Vancouver with Los Angeles, SF, NYC. Los Angeles, SF, NYC are real cities while Vancouver is just a cheap Canadian imitation of Los Angeles, SF, NYC built with Chinese money. Vancouver gets recognition due to the movie industry but in reality none of that industry is indigenous to Vancouver. It is in Vancouver due to the predatory nature of the Canadian government and their subsidization of the film industry in Canada. Vancouver is simply the American South of the film industry.

Adam Smith is dead. As the other commenter said, the economy is driven by market forces, that are in great parts political and planned. The invisible hand is not that of the free markets, but the invisible empire.

"I guess i'm wondering what types of tactics and activities are most appropriate there in terms of the civil war/war against nature that defines this era."

Anything that will disrupt the good functionning of the factory-prison society. Especially everywhere it seeks to expand, develop or renew itself, from a forest to a poor neighborhood.

I can confirm the fire last night. I lived across the street last month and stopped by today and that was the first piece of news I was greeted with - the house across the street had burned down overnight.

I saw it too, I live in east van. It burned and big. I was hoping it was an action. As someone who lives in that neighbourhood and is getting renovicted, fuck the fuck yeah, total solidarity. PS no one was hurt, it was under construction and the neighbours were evacuated, neighbouring houses looked completely unharmed.

The 'true' anarchists NEVER talk about such action, even to their closest friends/family. Yet it happens all the time. Ask any underwriter. It's called insurance fraud. Anarchy abounds, but the kids are too wet behind the ears to know it. Juvenile delinquents *DO* talk about their vandalism. Their judgment, of course, is 'radically' impaired. Any assault against an all powerful enemy, to be successful, must be below the radar screen before, during, and after the attack. One does not, for instance, announce an intended bank robbery, or post a successful burglary of the vault/safe deposit boxes.

Consider: Did the Soviets (or Americans) post/publish each successful act of espionage against the other during the Cold War? The public boasting about these crimes is a measure of the immaturity and unreliability of the perpetrators. i.e. This isn't a 'revolution' at all, or a serious political effort. It's the antics of juvenile petty traitors. And yes, they must be caught before they play with matches in YOUR neighborhood. That's no joke!

please don't generalize

The 'true' anarchists NEVER talk about such action, even to their closest friends/family., Please define true Anarchist?

Your comparison with Cold War-era espionage is irrelevant. Anti-State asymetrical warfare is what anarchist struggle is, but the CIA fascists were not about. Anarchists never bombed Third World slums with TV tubes for propaganda, neither did they set up bloody dictatorships to spread Cola-Cola, McDonald's and the American Dream.

Making your exploits public while staying anonymous is not only okay for the movement, it's powerful. "Juvenile petty traitors" is what the Luddites were accused of being by many of the reactionary proles and the snitches. I can see the cop through your comment, sitting at his desk with coffee and DONUTS.

What a brave bureaucrat, doing keyboard wars against all those atheist savages!

please don't generalize

Every time I see a fire I think how excellent it is that another Capitalist scum who works hard and pays taxes to the capitalist government is finally getting punished for think he's so much better than us Anarchists.

Sorry you're getting renovicted. Do you want us to come over and burn down your apartment too?

I got my condo in one of those glass towers, Downtown Westside. Yeah sure you can come, smash the whole thing.... I don't care since I'm a soulless conformist with a meaningless life who doesn't know what to do with his/her money.

It's true that, in Vancouver, the working class are the a good majority of people who are buying the condos and it's also true that we shouldn't have to be renting or buying buildings on property from companies or landlords at all. What ineedrolaids was very succinct and I just moved out of that neighbourhood, and out of town, after 3 years living down the street, there's an elementary school a block or two away and though it's close to "the drive" it's a very family oriented place since it was the immigrant laden Little Italy back when my old landlord moved there in the 50s and was gentrified long ago to be the "hip East Van hot spot" that it's been for so long. While I will be anti-gentrification and anti-renoviction (can Spartacus just stay in one place for forever please?) until I die I will also be against these sort of tactics to get the message across, but that's why I'm reluctant to call myself an anarchist to non-comrades it since they hear that word and see this b.s. on the news then lump us all together but the struggle rages on.

Good cop, bad cop. Good anarchist, bad anarchist.

Typical manarchist manswer

^^^^^^^^^^ go fuck yourself.

So, just kill the messenger/reporter/photojournalist. Isn't that all the rage just now?

If the working class are earning money, paying taxes, and contributing to the Capitalist System, then they are capitalists by association and deserve to have their homes burnt down like the rest of the capitalist scum. ESPECIALLY if they are renovating their homes. We don't need renovations in East Van, that's why we're going to burn it down.

(whispered) Pssst! Jimmy! You are responding to a troll. Shut up and stop embarrassing yourself with your utter lack of understanding. You are welcome! (/whispered)

Duly noted, recorded, and disseminated!

If you don't renovate those houses, eventually they fall down. That's kind of a basic fact. I know, because I rented one for 15 years and watched the place slowly fall apart around me. You can do minor fixes, but ultimately, unless you occasionally put in a load of work and new materials, the place will fall down. No shock that it's wasted on an intellect like yours. You're too busy shouting "smash the state" to deal with practical things such as what to do with a leaky roof.

fucking right on

Hey guess what? Most developers have a crazy amount of insurance, I understand your frustration with gentrification but the only message you're sending is that developers can get free money easy cause "anarchists" will burn down their developments for them while their overhead is still quite low. Also not sure what kind of message you're sending, burning down developments is reactionary (look up the word stupid) and will do NOTHING besides give your cause a bad name. The world is changing faster than any fire can keep up with so maybe devote a bit more thought to your actions rather than copying a historical model that obviously didn't work in the past. The only response you're going to get from this is a governmental shift that makes it more and more illegal to be dissident. As a result of people like you it will soon be considered terrorism to protest so thanks for fucking things up even worse.

^liberal

"Today, what passes for anarchism in America and increasingly in Europe is little more than an introspective personalism that denigrates responsible social commitment; an encounter group variously renamed a 'collective' or an 'affinity group'; a state of mind that arrogantly derides structure, organization, and public involvement; and a playground for juvenile antics."

Who the FUCK are you quoting liberal

probably some real anarchists. lol.

Your mom; she wants you to go back to grad school & calm the fuck down before you hurt someone. Also she loves you.

I call it bourgeois libertinism.

Exactly! It can be argued this was an idea of a provocateur following Hitler's model of burning down the Reichstag in pre-WWII Nazi Germany. By thus manipulating public sentiment, he was able to target Marxists/Communists and eliminate them as a political force. Whether that was the intent of the East Vancouver arson or not, it has the same net effect. The populace will cozy up to a totalitarian state for safety. It has always been thus and serves to explain how (besides religion) people gave up their autonomy to powerful warrior kings. Without the Vandals, pirates, Vikings, and marauding armies, perhaps an anti-hierarchal world would exist today. It does not for precisely the reason demonstrated with this arson. The story of the Frog King, his Pond and the Stork is not lost on folks.

Curiously, neither Vandals, (Pre-Christian) Vikings, nor Caribbean pirates had any "hierarchies". And if you were reasonably well-educated, you would know that class-stratified societies go back at least 7,000 years!

Ships at sea always require a captain, the hierarchy is comprised of captain, officers, navigator, bosun (nautical term for foreman), seaman (proles). In other words, a hierarchy. And if you were well educated you'd know that imperialism goes back 7,000 yrs

I didn't know Imperialism went back 7,000 years? I always thought it was a stage in development of Capitalist societies? Are you saying Capitalism existed 7,000 years ago?

No! You've listened to too much Maoist dogma, imperialism is the socio-political inauguration of a conquest methodology by any group or clan intent on expanding their territory. I understand your confusion, colonialism is its most recent form,,,,, but let's expand our historical knowledge and become,,,,,intellectual imperialists. Context and nuance aside, the term is rarely heard these days.

Wow! You mean somali and Caribbean pirates had all that stuff??? Gee, wally, you're reeeeal smart!

Umm, wow, I missed you Beaver during my adolescence , sad huh!

If we keep burning down buildings, eventually we will bankrupt the Insurance companies and then we will have that victory as well as running all the liberals and capitalists out of East Van.

If you believe that, you're brainwashed and can't think for yourself.

No, just wrong argument but the assertion is correct. Investments will stop flowing in if too many developments are burning.

Pizza Troll! is that you? Man, we missed your insightful ( albeit pedantic and simplistic) liberal analysis. Your world view is well represented elsewhere by the media and bloggers , but howdy and welcome back! Your universe seems so well populated with "innocents" and "victims" and mean reactionary blackclad vandals. It must be comforting to have such a calm and predictable existence.

Oh! and if that's not not the Pizza Shop Troll, er... sorry but welcome all the same, Developer Troll. Maybe you and Pizza could hook up and create a liberal/ business paradise.

Thanks for the info!

in case you missed that - john wood is saying he's thinks the people that made the fire were wrong. not that he set the fire.

We are going to continue burning down homes, smashing windows, stealing signs, and other noble forms of violent protest until all the capitalist/liberal/yuppie scum leave East Van and we will finally have an Anarchist Utopia where everyone is equal because all the business and development has moved to Burnaby.

You make a mockery or anarchism.

well, WHICH ONE IS IT? I AM DYING OF SUSPENSE

BOTH!!!

Let's put things in perspective here - developers burn a lot more of their own buildings down than any of us could manage, and are rarely anywhere near as safety conscious about it.

So, gentrification. As values go up with demand, areas are considered to become gentrified. This is a result of many people wanting to be in the same space. The housing market does a pretty good job of keeping it a civilized affair by awarding space to those that have the money. The idea is that if you work and earn and save, then you have earned the right to occupy the space. As life isn't particularly fair, this does mean that some people have an easier time of getting that space than others.

My question, dear anarchists, is what is your realistic, actually viable alternative? How would you go about awarding space to one of many interested parties, and how would you keep it non-violent, and fair?

First off we don't own the earth. If a community is willing to accept you, i guess you can participate in all that comes with that community. hope that answers your question

People buying those Condos, don't really want to. They just can't afford anything farther west or with greater square footage because our Municipal Government sold us out on the westside. Go west, find a block of houses littered with real estate flyers and month old Couriers and put a tent in the back yard. See how long it takes before any one notices. Set up a tent in the empty neighbours yard and again see if anyone notices. Create a community where one is lacking. Instead of the West taking over the East. The East could take over the West.

I can see the signs and t shirts in my head.

You could say it was your Uncle "fill in the blank" 's house. And that you were house sitting. It would take weeks for authorities to find out if it was true, if the house was owned by company name. Would really make a point about it being a nameless, personless house.

the point for anarchists, from my perspective, is to escalate conflict. to spread dissent and revolt by example. to introduce tactics that will stay in the public's mind until something sparks serious social unrest.

the people in the neighborhood pre-gentrification tend not to be the ones in the neighborhood post-gentrification. in between, usually there's a lot of tension, confusion, shit tons of lies and a whole lot of really nasty tactics by feds and police to make sure people keep repeating ignorant shit such as you just posted. I say that because obviously you can read and write and hence obviously you shouldn't be that ignorant so it is kind of offensive and says a lot about the school system or your honesty.

To buy a condo in east van you need to earn around 50,000.00 a year. that's two low income working people, typically a couple, each earning 25,000.00. Truck drivers, retail clerks, trades people, recent immigrants, etc. All those condos aren't for single young lawyers and pharmacists and engineers, who are the definition of yuppie. I don't understand the distinction you are making between market driven and consumer driven in this case. All roles are symptoms of capitalist civilization. Everyone reproduces the social relationships that constitute the present social order. In many ways, a young, white, shrill, self-important anarchist with little analysis but plenty of rage, is just another character created by the "invisible hand'. But then again so is the mature, cautious, analytic anarchist. I'd appreciated it if the communique had read: ": We are angry. We don't understand the world we live in, we hate it, we want to destroy it. Fuck all new housing developments in east van." That would be inspiring on many levels. Anarchism is to a great extent a negative project. But presenting themselves as lucid revolutionary warriors probably makes a lot of people, comrades and local residents, want to consider their actions on an intellectual level rather than appreciating the visceral, emotional impulse. Revolutionary emotions, but the analysis in the communique is weak. The market is the enemy, not a really small percentage of young professionals who like the authenticity provided by the culture of drop outs and radicals so decide to move to east van. So far the settler state/ruling class took it from the indigenous and put workers there to build the city. The workers, mostly Italian, made it a community to the extent that this is possible under civilization. Then the drop outs took it from the Italian working class and tried to make it their own unique neighborhood. Now low level workers and a few higher income workers/professionals want to take it from the drop outs. But everyone but the indigenous were just social classes manipulated/pushed by civilization, they weren't/aren't really acting collectively as free agents in any of this.

The *cheapest* condos - like, on East Hastings - I could find doing a bit of quick research were still pushing $200,000. I'm pretty sure you're full of shit.

The author meant you need an annual income of $50K, not the purchase price. You should learn a thing or two about the economy you want to smash.

I don't mean to insult anyone, I am just interested after reading the posts. If you are against the capitalist system and having a job, how do you support yourselves in the City? I understand that one can live off the land somewhere, hunt, fish, grow crops and so on. Maybe even just set up on some crown land, create a society/commune, and see if anyone bothers you. I suspect they wouldn't.

But I don't understand how/why you want to live in the City? Pretty much everything around you is a product of the Capitalist system, isn't it? Not to mention, schools, hospitals, parks, roads, sidewalks, etc. are all paid for by monies taxed from those who generate their income through capitalism. Doesn't that pretty much taint everything around you.

I'm not judging, just wondering how you can reconcile these things. The old homes you want to protect were originally built by a "developer" of some sort back in the day. Today's new homes will be tomorrow's old homes...?

Most of all, if you are against jobs because they support the capitalist system, how do you live in the City? Welfare? Stealing? Charity? Non-capitalist work of some kind ? For those of you who went to school/college, how did you pay for it?

I'm truly interested... thanks

most anarchists have a job, it can't be helped

~Pretty much everything around you is a product of the Capitalist system, isn't it?
everything around me is the universe expressing itself

~Not to mention, schools, hospitals, parks, roads, sidewalks, etc. are all paid for by monies taxed from those who generate their income through capitalism
who gives a shit

What have the romans ever done for us?

Xerxes:
What exactly are the demands?

Reg:
We're giving Pilate two days to dismantle the entire apparatus of the Roman Imperialist State and if he doesn't agree immediately we execute her.

Matthias:
Cut her head off?

Francis:
Cut all her bits off, send 'em back every hour on the hour... show him we're not to be trifled with.

Reg:
Also, we're demanding a ten foot mahogany statue of the Emperor Julius Caesar with his cock hanging out.

Stan:
What? They'll never agree to that, Reg.

Reg:
That's just a bargaining counter. And of course, we point out that they bear full responsibility when we chop her up, and... that we shall not submit to blackmail.

Omnes:
(Applause) No blackmail!

Reg:
They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers.

Stan:
And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg:
Yes.

Stan:
And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg:
All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?

Xerxes:
The aqueduct.

Reg:
Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.

Masked Activist:
And the sanitation!

Stan:
Oh yes... sanitation, Reg, you remember what the city used to be like.

Reg:
All right, I'll grant you that the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done...

Matthias:
And the roads...

Reg:
(sharply) Well yes obviously the roads... the roads go without saying. But apart from the aqueduct, the sanitation and the roads...

Another Masked Activist:
Irrigation...

Other Masked Voices:
Medicine... Education... Health...

Reg:
Yes... all right, fair enough...

Activist Near Front:
And the wine...

Omnes:
Oh yes! True!
F
rancis:
Yeah. That's something we'd really miss if the Romans left, Reg.

Masked Activist at Back:
Public baths!

Stan:
And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.

Francis:
Yes, they certainly know how to keep order... (general nodding)... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this.

(more general murmurs of agreement)

Reg:
All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?

Xerxes:
Brought peace!

Reg:
(very angry, he's not having a good meeting at all) What!? Oh... (scornfully) Peace, yes... shut up!

A mixture of legal and illegal means, varying from one person to the next. Actually not much difference with more mainstream people, who still shoplift in secret and recycle from dumpsters in the night. Autonomous occupations get rid of the need to pay a stupid rent, so does the need for wage slavery.

Condos? Who said anything about condos? This was a Duplex. Eg, two houses. So yuppie!

Why are there so many liberals commenting on this article?

not even liberals, just authoritarian shitposters. i guess a link was posted in a mainstream news site or something.

A few commenters have asked how anarchists "sustain ourselves" and I feel that these questions are asked in good faith.

The answer is that we mostly try to get buy just like anyone else does these days: working shitty part time jobs and using government assistance whenever possible. Some of us squat and shoplift to ease this burden and many of us live together to access cheaper rent. Regardless, we are also dominated by capitalism and the state.

This, for us, is no contradiction. We don't seek to become pure. We are not pursuing an ethical consumer practice. We seek to build an antiauthoritarian revolutionary social force capable of spreading revolt and insurrection. We want to see different sections of society become uncontrollable and ungovernable. During insurrectional openings, we intend to participate in collective acts of communization - when the population appropriates goods and machinery owned by capitalists and begins using it for free - as well as negation - we want to destroy in the literal sense everything that cannot be communized including prisons, borders, most factories etc.

Your question seems to be rooted in the present tense: how do you leave in the mean time? This is a very important question. There is no quick answer but the best one I can offer is: we want to organize our daily lives in a way that makes us more capable of participating in and advancing the real struggle to abolish existing society.

Also...some anarchists want some other dumb shit and believe in prefigurative politics and all sorts of liberalisms. Maybe they can explain themselves.

please don't generalize

Anarchists live in organized communities and use the system to get by. Roger that.

please don't generalize

The thing that bothers me with your screed is by your own admission you're leeching off the society you intend to destroy. I don't see any endgame, you want to make large parts of society uncontrollable and ungovernable, but they can't do that if they're dependent on organized society to survive. If you really want to abolish existing society wouldn't it work better if you simply ignored it? If you fight them then they just think of you as an enemy and society becomes more authoritarian in response. If you simply live on your own and show them you're happier then they're not threatened and start to emulate you.

Its pretty hard to just "ignore" the violence perpetrated by the state and capitalism. I want to free my friends. I want to free the world. I want to free you too, someone.

Endgame = no state. no capitalism. no private appropriation. a world of more freedom, more joy, more spontaneity and improvisation, more enchantment and wonder.

There's state violence in enforcing drug laws but for the most part if you only partake in consensual activity the state doesn't really bother you. As for capitalism, do you mean violence from companies or violence as a result of capitalism? I guess I'm just not sure what you mean by violence, is it actual violence, the threat of violence, or moral offences?

So what can you accomplish with no state that you can't accomplish with a decent sized commune, even an inner city one. As you said " a world of more freedom, more joy, more spontaneity and improvisation, more enchantment and wonder", sounds awesome and I think you'd get a bunch of converts if it worked.

poverty in the age of surplus is violence. policing with a monopoly on force is violence.

Why now?? why not then?? .seems like a bandwagon jump to me.or simply a yuppie trying to win public opinion by running around calling themselves the AGF. this shit has only happened ever since the pidgin picket started.but i know for a fact that those involved in the pidgin picket have absolute nothing to do with the recent events that took place.everything that the pidgin picket protesters have been accused or associated is 100% false.if the AGF really are anarchists. then all I can say is this.read a book before going full retard.

Just another attack that lacks any sense of contextual intimacy. Look folks anarchists were not made for the city anyway, go move to the okanagan region and live something like the bushmen live, and I'm serious when I say this, the halls and alienating corridors of the city have long been enframed and everybody prefigured in city life takes part, top bottom in between with and without astroglide, this is how it is.

Form a fucking bioregion for fucks sake, do something that is affirming and stop defining your enemies directly as I will quote the iching yet again

>>>If evil is branded, it thinks of weapons, and if we do it the favour of fighting against it blow for blow, we lose in the end because thus we ourselves get entangled in hatred and passion. Therefore it is important to begin at home, to be on guard in our own persons against the faults we have branded. In this way, finding no opponent, the sharp edges of the weapons of evil becomes dulled. For the same reasons we should not combat our own faults directly. As long as we wrestle with them, they continue victorious. Finally, the best way to fight evil is to make energetic progress in the good.<<<

Leave the class war to the Marxists, they came up with it, in high class positions no less.

suck.

It's interesting, however, that so much of the Vancouver population is in touch with the attacks of the anarchists. Refreshing, for sure. Hopefully the town is covered with propaganda to justify the actions and to explain them.

you should do something about the oakridge, granville st, marine dr condos being built

i think burning buildings should happen

Anyone want to rent a 1 bedroom and den condo in downtown? $1800 including utils. Pets and smoking allowed. anarchists get a 10% discount.

hm...what kind of restaurant are in the area. are they anarchist friendly? Are they at least vegan?

A couple pizza places with sign boards outside for the taking. Forgot to mention there's a bike storage too. A few blocks from a govt assistance office.

Some anarchist deleted my previous post.......hahahahahahahahahaha. hypocrite.

How so? Putting up with toxic shit (and yes, I understand that's saying something) isn't the goal of this project. Was it ever said that it was?

You fucking douche bags almost killed innocent people!!! Go get a fucking job and contribute to society you disgusting skidly losers!! Nobody loves or wants you. Do the world a favor and burn yourself down.

You're mad because developers are knocking down the old homes and putting up new ones, set their projects on fire and as a result damage the old homes around them. Sound logic. That'll show 'em.

Lol not helping or even scaring anyone sorry guys but you scared people more walking down the street in bloc with torches. Use the fire as intimidation, I like it, it scares people. Create controlled fire spaces and demonstrations, in the winter, maybe try and keep a fire to warm people up on the street.
But lighting a building on fire literally does shit all but destroy property, pose a threat to buildings and homes that actually house low income residents and makes you all targets for prosecution. You lose control of it and it burns down a family home or a housing project or an abandoned building and kills a squatter you literally just did what you were trying to prevent. Smarten up. As for spraying anarchy symbols on buildings you burn out, it makes the rest of us who wear it with pride and respect look like putzes.

A developer going bankrupt burns down his project to collect the insurance money, and you pussies claim responsibility.

I love it.

As you spend tomorrow sitting on the sidewalk asking me for change, please take 5 minutes out of your day to get a clue.

We're not homeless. I think you're on the wrong thread.

I think most people think all anarchists are oogles.

What the fuck did you fucking anarcists just do, you little bitches? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You anarchy faggs are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with destroying people hard earned property? You think you can get away with saying that shit over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, queermos. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable asses off the face of the continent, you little shits. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” actions was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongues. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiots. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddos.

Wow, this is easily the best comment on this thread, and your resume is certainly impressive. But before you go all action hero, you might want to check a map and make sure you're in the right country. Or perhaps you meant Washington, DC, ie, Obama, set the fire?

just made my day. the MUSICAL version is incred

also this:
"What in Davy Jones’ locker did ye just bark at me, ye scurvy bilgerat? I’ll have ye know I be the meanest cutthroat on the seven seas, and I’ve led numerous raids on fishing villages, and raped over 300 wenches. I be trained in hit-and-run pillaging and be the deadliest with a pistol of all the captains on the high seas. Ye be nothing to me but another source o’ swag. I’ll have yer guts for garters and keel haul ye like never been done before, hear me true. You think ye can hide behind your newfangled computing device? Think twice on that, scallywag. As we parley I be contacting my secret network o’ pirates across the sea and yer port is being tracked right now so ye better prepare for the typhoon, weevil. The kind o’ monsoon that’ll wipe ye off the map. You’re sharkbait, fool. I can sail anywhere, in any waters, and can kill ye in o’er seven hundred ways, and that be just with me hook and fist. Not only do I be top o’ the line with a cutlass, but I have an entire pirate fleet at my beck and call and I’ll damned sure use it all to wipe yer arse off o’ the world, ye dog. If only ye had had the foresight to know what devilish wrath your jibe was about to incur, ye might have belayed the comment. But ye couldn’t, ye didn’t, and now ye’ll pay the ultimate toll, you buffoon. I’ll shit fury all over ye and ye’ll drown in the depths o’ it. You’re fish food now."

True anarchists don't fear death, nor do they kill other people like terrorists, unless in self-defence. Social relationships cannot be bombed. Anarchists do not take orders, thus, being neither mercenary nor prostituting themselves to authority as fascists do, they follow an honorable code of respect for most living beings, which is unbiased and truthful. If you come for me, I await with baited breath and an easy conscience, and should you somehow evade my organic canine self-defence parameter, and use cheating methods of sophisticated technologies to enter my beautiful warm home and hold a gun to my head, I request that you allow me 1 cigarette before you deliver the coup de grace! NOW FUCK OFF!

Watch out, y'all - he's an expert in "gorilla warfare." And the top sniper in the ENTIRE american military. He can be anywhere, anytime and can kill you in LITERALLY 700 ways WITH HIS BARE HANDS. Holy shit. He also has a fucking secret network of spies to track us!
And he's the proud murderer of over 300 people, a real stand-up guy!

Us anarchists best watch-out for wannabe special forces guy. He's a master of gorilla warfare and I'm afraid he's going to bring an army of silver-backs down on us like he's going to shit fury after eating five dorrito tacos tonight after he spends a couple hours jerking off to redtube.

The last top sniper of the entire US military, and deemed the deadliest sniper in all History, Chris Kyle, was himself shot by a friend in a stupid shooting range accident. Reality, maaaan!

What's a queermos? Also, "fucking anarchists?" I have a job, a home (yes i bought it), a fiance. We don't all fall under the same category but we're not the kind of people you think we are. Never have I ever had anyone say anything to me close to what you just said. Then again, though we live in such a patriarchal, misogynistic society, I can never doubt that a Navy Pig (also i understand you're not all the same but you're a piece of shit no doubt) could utter such idiotic things to a woman!

Yeeuuuah!!! Comin' to get you... with those banana snipers!

Nazy Seals Gorillaz will level your entire fucking place like at least a 100 Rambo's (or Chuck Norris'es if they tighter budget). It's gonnar be like Michael Bay asplosions!

I'm glad to see that the US Navy has supported their LBGT saliors/marines and included them in the SEAL teams.

...as they just sacrificed Seal Team 6!? You sound like a fan of trans fat ex-Queen Napolitano or Lindsey Graham.

Thank you! My fusion cell will transmit this data to the proper authorities!

Hey Vic pizza shop/developer Troll,

Still haven't answered the question:
Which do you find more threatening, Stolen pizza shop signs or newspaper boxes in the street?!
I'm callin' you out. Be at the flagpole after 6th period Maths class- or you suck!

I thought so.
Wussy! Coward! Poltroon!

What the fuck did you just fucking type about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at MIT, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids with Anonymous, and I have over 300 confirmed DDoSes. I am trained in online trolling and I’m the top hacker in the entire world. You are nothing to me but just another virus host. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on the Internet, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with typing that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we chat over IRC I am tracing your IP with my damn bare hands so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your computer. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can hack into your files in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in hacking, but I have access to the entire arsenal of every piece of malware ever created and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the world wide web, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking fingers. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit code all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

Go tiger! Get them, Rambo!

It set the record straight on how fire is far superior as a tactic than broken windows and graffiti.

Fire forces the mainstream media to talk about it, because since it’s pressured to stay on the edge of the news front, it simply cannot disregard something as shocking as a bank or development on fire in an urban area, one that left thousands of witnesses amazed and mystified. They simply can’t afford such level of disconnection from reality, no matter how much they’re lying everyday. On a societal level, it’s easily comparable with the UFO phenomenon, even if it’s of completely different nature.

Cops, no matter how hard they'll pressure the media, can't do anything to change that.

This is what made the Greek uprisings and the car burnings in French suburbs become so globally famous, and what contributed to radicalize while bringing new blood to many anarchist milieus, and even better, create a real anarchist resistance (instead of a bunch of Libcom/NEFAC petty bourgeois Leftists) where there wasn’t any. This is what place like over-pacified fascist Kanada deserves, not countless nightly demos of tens of thousands pacifist idiots or phony threats of insurrection.

I find it interesting that the comment I posted on Thursday has been taken down. I'm curious what about it caused such offence when I see so much hatred and disrespect in many of the comments on this thread. My comment, for the record, was highlighting that the "yuppie development" targeted by those "tired of our lives and memories being torn down one development at a time" was in fact redeveloping a condemned home that had stood empty for over 10 years, boarded over and with “DANGER DO NOT ENTER" painted on the plywood blocking the stairway. Have a look at what the property looked like before it was redeveloped. I find it hard to believe this long condemned property would inspire nostalgia for anyone. As someone who lives in East Van just a few blocks from where this property was burnt down, I'm grateful for what the developer in this case was trying to do - take a property that wasn't fit for anyone to live in and create a family home out of it. One of the great strengths of this community is its diversity, home to a wide range of ethnic and socioeconomic groups. To be torching family homes of middle income earners is picking a class war with the wrong class. I find it hard to believe that anyone who lives in this community or truly cares about it would do this.

^liberal

I find it interesting why this second comment of yours hasn't been already thrown in the proper trash bin.

I find it interesting that you would suggest the comment was trash bin worthy and yet offer not even a hint of explanation as to why. So not only is free speech and exchange of ideas not tolerated, but others are silenced capriciously. If that's what anarchism promises, I for one prefer other ways of trying to make the world a better place.

Because it's so desperately liberal and citizenist, beyond need to argue with.

Free speech? Yeah, slave. Keep living in the great mass illusion of democracy and sedate yourself. Everything's going to be alrite.

shh

"Liberal", "citizenist", "slave" - in my experience, when someone has no argument of substance to put forward, they resort to lazy labels and ad hominems. Carry on mate.

I've now had three comments deleted in a couple of days on this thread - comments that put forward perspectives that someone else apparently didn't like, yet were not calling people names or making threats like many of the comments on this thread that have survived the 'trashbinning'. What I take away is that those in power over this website are attempting to control the discourse. That sounds an awful lot like totalitarianism to me, with Anarchist News admins playing the role of abusing power to control social life. If that's what anarchism promises, I'll take a pass.

"abusing power to control social life"

You think that deleting comments on a website amounts to that? Wait until you here about these things called the state and capitalism... You're gonna be pissed!

Gosh what an idiot. When you end up in jail by violent cops of "your" government just for attempting to go to a protest, come back here and tell us how you enjoyed the experience of being locked down in concrete boxes, and how we're sooo tyrannical and repressive and all that.

And according to your complaints, if I'd be promoting fascism here (which in a way is what you're doing), that'd be wrong to remote my shitty comments, right?

The amount of name calling on this thread is truly breathtaking. You're calling me an idiot when you are putting forward surreally circular arguments? What I hear you saying is that it's ok for you to delete comments of those you disagree with, at your whim, because police arrest protesters. So you get a free pass on being repressive because government is repressive? How are you any better than government then?

Sir, you remain under the illusion that this is an "Anarchist" site.

It is no such things. We have seen hit pieces on Chomsky, Zinn and others.
Lunatic props for Margaret Thatcher, and endless, maniacal misogyny, and interminable obsession with demonizing and vilifying "THE LEFT" <-as if it even existed.

No, sir. This is not an Anarchist website. This is a fake-ass honey-pot ideological right-wing trojan-horse operation posing as a bunch of Bakuninites, probably well-funded by the Heritage Foundation or your local swineherd. Best to tread with caution, my friend.

Thanks

it wasn't rebuilt for people from the community to live in it was rebuilt to make money and gentrify the area even further. they didn't build low income housing they built petite-bourgeois housing. I know you must be inamered by how pretty it looks, but face the facts, the middle class are oppressors too and are complicit in most of the atrocities of the ruling class.

Why don't you bhurn down the homes of your rich parents instead?

because

So which are we rich trustfund brats or homeless bums? Or are we both? Are we oogle trustfund kids? is that the new stereo type?

For a world where no one is afraid, hassled by thugs, the vandal or anarchists.

cops and capitalists are murdering people and exploiting them...and you're complaining about bullshit.

and you're murdering intelligent discourse and rational thought

kill yourself out of @news

That's 1984, No thank you, and fuck off to North Korea.

This is why a little bit of education is so dangerous

True... coz that's the basic requirement for entering Police academy.

You make us look bad, those of us who are working (yes, actual hard work) to advocate for the poor and improve society`s problems, we get lumped in with you jerks...... thanks for making our job harder....

Lets get Anonymous to find out where these people live, so we can burn down their houses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEEEEAH MOB RULE!!! BURN EM AT THE STAKE

Next you'll be saying RAPE AND PILLAGE THEIR COMMUNITIES! The misunderstood interpretation of anarchism has done more damage to the idea of autonomous self-management than anything else, especially the rantings and dysfunctional mindsets of peasants! Yes, that's right, real anarchists are a Nietzschean aristrocratic class unto themselves. We shall destroy those that try to drag us down to their mediocre level of sheepish existence and rape and pillage those that similarly possess sheepish understanding of the cosmos!

look at the timing and other patterns of authoritarian shitposts

it seems like most of them, especially recent ones, were made by the same guy

yeah making online comments is way worse than burning down houses

lol there are more abandoned luxury units than houseless people in the United States. The war on the condos is a war on gentrification, it's not like it was possible to sqaut them. maybe I'm being trolled...

Worker where are u?

letting shit burn. ignore the trolls.

Lots of windows thar hmm?

should smashed a mac book instead. fucking fascists.

"What stands out most compellingly in today's lifestyle anarchism is its appetite for immediacy rather than reflection, for a naive one-to-one relationship between mind and reality. Not only does this immediacy immunize libertarian thinking from demands for nuanced and mediated reflection; it precludes rational analysis and, for that matter, rationality itself. Consigning humanity to the nontemporal, nonspatial, and nonhistorical -- a 'primal' notion of temporality based on the 'eternal' cycles of 'Nature' -- it thereby divests mind of its creative uniqueness and its freedom to intervene into the natural world."

The offspring of the rich would do the proletariat a bigger favor by engaging in self-immolation.

self-immolate yourself out of @news

Yeah, that may have been a cool song for the 60s, just as neo-Marxism and De Bord were the only alternatives to rampant capitalism during that era, but umm,,,,times have changed dude. Just saying....

Jeezus, you listened to THIS in the 60s? Don't give anymore drugs to the artiste, it will deflect the revolution into a manic leftist compromise!

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