Freedom Porn: And now… we turn Five!!!

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And now… we turn Five!!!

Candles are burning, guests are singing, and parents are standing proud. Of course, in this case we are our own parents. After all, Freedom Porn is us, but it is also created by us. But letʼs stop this line of reasoning before somebodyʼs head explodes.

It is very hard thinking about all this time… the amount of energy and effort that was spent on the site. And all that energy was generated by the desire to spread oneʼs own creation and to combat the world of anti‐sexuality and censorship. One can only hope that all that was done wasnʼt in vain and somebody somewhere found Freedom Porn and was inspired by it to do something positive.

Unfortunately it seems that recently we had a few people who joined with the intention of contributing, but none were able to contribute for their own reasons. It is, of course, perfectly all right; and it is much better to contribute nothing, than to contribute when is not ready. However, it is possible that somebody may simply find it difficult to figure out the upload process, and thus the video guide, explaining picture upload process, was created (others may follow soon):
: http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Video:Volodya_-_You_can_be_a_porn_star

If you canʼt contribute content to Freedom Porn, but you want to help our anarchist porn portal to develop, you can simply chose to blog about us. When more people come along there is a greater chance that some may decide to contribute.

Things you can mention about Freedom Porn:

* We are an anarchist project and donʼt link ourselves to any government or its subpart.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/anarchism

* We oppose all sorts of discrimination and all sorts of censorship, we make our views clear and our work transparent.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Freedom_Porn:politics

* We champion the idea of Ethical Smut, which attempts to give some direction to anybody willing to create projects similar to ours.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Ethical_Smut

* We are not scared to provide a list of alternative porn sites to our own.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/list_of_ethical_pornography_resources

* We proactively seek out content that is being censored and preserve it.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Category:preserved_from_censorship

* We encourage people to freely share the content available on Freedom Porn.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Freedom_Porn:copyrights

* We will respect your privacy, and have gone to great length to make it known. We even mirror our content to anonymous networks like Freenet and other may be added in the future.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Freedom_Porn:privacy_policy

* We also, unlike most other sites, fight for the privacy of the submitters of content, even when such position may be unpopular in todayʼs fear‐mongering political climate.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Freedom_Porn:2257

* We use MediaWiki, which means that all the activity is completely transparent.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Special:RecentChanges

* We advertise events of other organisations and individuals, we ask for nothing in return, after all we are all in this together.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Category:events

* We support free discussions about our project, linking to such even when they are critical.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/mentioned_in

* We do our best to share all the technologies that we create, hoping that other similar projects will spring up.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Freedom_Porn:free_technology

* We use free containers like Ogg or Matröska and free codecs like Theora or Vorbis.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Special:WhatLinksHere/Help:how_to_play_Ogg

* We attempt to chose the most ethical hosting available to us on the internet, sometimes making it slightly harder for ourselves, but ensuring that we donʼt compromise our final goals.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Freedom_Porn:hosting

* We think that sex education is very much needed, and that we should be a part of it.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Category:sex_education

* We encourage safer sex and SSC practices, therefore we try to provide information on these.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/safer_sex

* We oppose rape and other forms of sexual violation, but do not give in to hysteria.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/consensual_sex

* We give 100% support for the ideas of free love. It is a wonderful thing and must not be made a thing of the past or something and only hippies do (no disrespect to hippies meant, of course).
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/free_love

* We link ourselves to the ideas of radical perversion, which oppose putting individuals in boxes and forcing them to live false lives.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/radical_pervert

* We clearly allow anybody to help us or to join our project if they agree with our goals.
** http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Freedom_Porn:how_to_help

And, as always, if you can contribute financially, to help with the cost of day‐to‐day operations (hosting), please do consider a donation. So far we have gotten a single donation from anybody other than the founding administrator, and it cannot be stressed just how much it helped at that time.
: http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Freedom_Porn:donations

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pedophiles!

Long live Dr. Pedersen!

misogynists.
pornography is a capitalist industry that is functionally dehumanizing and violating women, hijacks our sexuality, and continues to add to the weight young people feel under the unhealthy and insane beauty/masculine standards, no matter how "positive" or "radical" or "free" you try to make it. The industry is unredeemable.
end porn culture forever.

Pornography predates capitalism. Your politically correct puritanism fails to comprehend the fact that Freedom Porn is not an "industry". And even those women who are in the capitalist porn "industry" are there by choice. Beauty/masculine standards do not originate from within the porn industry, they come from advertising, pop culture and Hollywood. Some porn is dehumanizing, but that's true generally of almost all work.

I'm not sure which fundamentalist church you belong to, but if I can't watch porn I don't want to be part of your revolution.

"And even those women who are in the capitalist porn "industry" are there by choice."

I ain't no puritan and like pornography, but "choice" is a funny word to use in regards to work.

Work is not much of a choice, it's true, but what to work at and where is very much a choice. No one is kidnapping women and forcing them into porn (at least in North America). Neither are circumstances forcing women into porn. Most porn actresses come from middle class backgrounds and are not from the San Fernando Valley.

"Work is not much of a choice, it's true, but what to work at and where is very much a choice."

I find this statement just as dubious as the last one.

has been one of the most flexible forms of slavery there is, anarchists should in no way stop people from engaging in what is seen by certain minds as unproductive activity. The pornographic side of sex work could be a very good niche for anarchists to effect some change.

"end porn culture forever."

Here here. Porn culture to me means watching a beautiful woman fuck another guy instead of you fucking her. Porn can eat shit and die. Nevermind the horrible stuff you never hear. Porn culture means you losers masturbate while someone nuts on your dream girl's face. I suppose it's the same the other way around, but not really. Porn can eat my shit. Beauty standard critiques aside, porn culture is why only fugly girls approach you. Death to porn, death to human slavery, death to unwanted relationships and death to all rapists.

and nothing wrong with porn either. End yourself.

exploitation is exploitation. how about you give me my money instead. most sex workers get paid very little. Sex work is ultimately a pyramid scam often in the same vein as contract work of other sorts, few benefits, few labour protection, the to sucking up most of what is made at the bottom, and guess what, the ones making the most don't even do the work, get it?.

You fucking loser, racism, sexism, homophobia, ableism, and bigotry generally speaking doesn't comprise the superstructure. you fucking clown, noone takes you seriously, you aint the man, ideology douchebag! give me my money.

"most sex workers get paid very little." Most workers get paid very little, your last paragraph is incoherent.

First part: no shit
second part: against vulgar economism and postmodern apolgia.

Misogynist?
How? It's entirely voluntary what gets posted there and the VAAAAAST majority of submitters are all male bodied.

As for porn I actually would like to see anarchists get into the production aspect of porn, its actually a powerful media device that if used properly could plant an inception or 2 in the bases mind. I mean a 21st century integrated sexual erotica has to come from somewhere. If Adolf Brand were around now this is the kind of thing he might want to foray into. And a queer base of operations is what should launch this kind of thing.

for porn might be something that radicals with a pornographic agenda might want to look into as well

Dear Porn,
I hate you so much. I want all the porn to die slow and painfully. I really really hate you. When I see a scuzzy obvious white rapist asshole with a beautiful girl, who probably has a bunch of wonderful ideas and is really smart, but that asshole pretty much points a gun to her face to get her to suck his dick, I think, that must be how they make all that porn. Porn, I've never said this to you, I guess because we sort of have a thing together, but I'd much rather actually be fucking those girls than watching some lowlife creep likely rapist do it. And so porn, I guess you've noticed we haven't really been hanging out too much lately. Mostly it's because I hate the shit out of you and I've been hating you and I was just using you for the sex. In reality, I fucking hate you and I want you dead.

Sincerely,
Anarchy

Dear sweet Anarchy,
I'm sorry you feel this way. In this relationship, I've really tried to be honest with you about what I am. I never pretended that I was real as you crumpled my pages while you grunted to a spasmatic and rhythmic stop and looked down on my spattered pages with utter disdain. To tell you the truth, I kind of liked watching you stand there, shriveling and ashamed as I said nothing. Nothing at all.

It was all about you, baby. It has always been about you. I'm not mad and I'll always be here, waiting for you.

Kisses,
Porn

give me my money, you rapist scumbag.

Sounds like a felony confession to me:
(f) Any person who, for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual desire of any person, secretly or surreptitiously uses or installs in a room any device that can be used to create a photographic image with the intent to capture the image of another without their consent shall be guilty of a Class I felony.

Good luck getting the cops to do anything, though. FTP!!!

"I've really tried to be honest with you about what I am."
No, you've misappropriated sex positive feminism to criminalize the denial of consent. You've used sexual desire to extort and rape.

I can't fap to this...

What anarchists should be promoting is healthy sex more then safe sex(its like bolting your doors all the time). Safe sex is a euphemism for a number of inaccuracies such as the the assumption that the germ theory trumps the cellular stress theory of disease(Bechamp). Our prevailing belief in the AID$ mythology along with the billion dollar condom industry is what is preventing a renaissance of human sexuality across the queer/cis spectrum. Porn could be that enframing device that brings sexualities together(look what it did for girl/girl) but it will not happen as long as we are spooked by germ theories that have no basis in reality as well as having perpetually sick post-68 alternative cultures that do not heal themselves. If you look at how gay men poisoned themselves in the 1970s, you will find that there are a number of anarchists who adopted those bad habits, let's cut that out and become harbingers of health for the 21st century.

What do you mean by what happened with girl-girl? Mainstream lesbian porn is terrible, no one with an ounce of sense puts nails that long anywhere near a vagina in real life.

was like boy/boy in the 1950s as it to was subject to acarnal puritanical pressures, porn has had a hand in changing that, yes it's terrible for the most part(though there is some good stuff) but the point is the lesbians don't face the same societal repulsions that gays do. Porn has a powerful affect on peoples minds in that regard because it is so in your face and to your eyes and mind.

A stonewall based sexuality that was healthy might have fed into the emerging pornographic culture at the time and made queerness and bisexuality the base of pornographic creations, unfortunately queer folk are seen as this diseased group that you don't touch, and sadly when you look at the fact that they pushed the limits of toxic drug culture there is some truth to those diseased stereotypes, nothing that can't be changed by embracing holistic methods of cleansing and detoxification along with the matching rituals.

You are so full of shit. Bechamp failed to prove his theory over a century ago, while advances in methodology (electron microscopes, etc) continue to vindicate Pasteur's germ theory. How exactly do you explain beer, wine or bread without yeast?

As for the AIDS denialism, that bullshit's dangerous. Telling people they don't need condoms, that HIV isn't real and that queers got AIDS because they did too many drugs is nothing but a bunch of homophobic junk-science which was debunked a long time ago. Anybody stupid enough to take advice like that is a risk to themselves and others. Shut the fuck up already.

^yup. Sir Einzige, i believe you have just gone full troll

Bechamp and Pasteur are both essentially correct, its not that the germ theory is wrong its that it is given primary president when it should be tertiary as far as disease causation goes. Look up the history of diseases like pellagra, Beriberi and scurvy, the assumption for all of them was a viral microbe when the actuality was cellular deficiencies. And I'm about as much of an AID$ denialist as someone in the 20s was a pellagra denialist by rejecting the primacy of the germ theory.

As far as condoms go they have their place, but people should think about how much money those passion killers take home every year as well as scumbag lobbyists like Michael Weinstein who wants condoms on all cocks in porn when testing is already adequate. HIV is real, barely, there's just no evidence(never has been) that it is a viral causing agent, it's not even biochemically active and can't even be purified by traditional means(it requires extra contamination). And queers DID do to many drugs, look at the fucking history without any blinders, look at what poppers do to you, look at what they were lacing their handkerchiefs with every night, or over vaccinating in preparation for weekend of excess, its not homophobic(an incorrect term of abuse by leftists) its REALITY! Remember what Bertrand Russell said in his last interview about facts? Heed his advice asshole. Take time to look up ways of boasting anti-oxidants and alkali in the body, that is the key to a whole lot of health and believe me queer folk need to be renaissance men in this regard. Once this happens, human sexuality can get back on track from its derailment in 1981(the year I was born)

See this video, is HE homophobic? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=filb0s7oluI

Oooohhhh...I'm a "believer" now. If by that you mean I hold ideas that differ from your lunatic rantings, then...yes. I suppose I "believe".

As for claims that queers got AIDS because of inhalants, that's demonstrably false and totally fucking standard victim-blaming homophobic propaganda. That a few queer people agree isn't surprising - there's always a few, especially in desperate people who want to believe they're not sick. The douchebag in the video talks a lot about drug use in gay culture but admits that he wasn't there (as have you). Where are the people who've been afflicted without bringing bodily fluids into contact? What about the blood transfusions? The electron microscopy and viral RNA tests?

Pellagra and scurvy were obviously nutrition-related, something suggested (for both) centuries before, due to their associations with corn and limes (and seafaring, etc) - that a few people suggested they were microbial isn't surprising, but they were proven otherwise - that's science. Where's your actual evidence of these claims? You've thrown about a few fragments of scientific idea while dismissing mountains of it. Not saying you're wrong, but if you've actually got something to substantiate it, I'm sure you could manage at the very least a Nobel Peace prize. As for anti-oxidants and alkalai diets, I've heard all about them, but nothing convincing yet.

If your idea of "renaissance men" is a bunch of hippie-dippy know-it-alls ranting on about new age health crazes, then have fun at the rainbow gathering. In the meantime, stop "believing" everything some wingnut spouts on the internets.

as it is told currently in a completely uncritical manner you are a believer plain and simple. You believe in something that has NEVER BEEN EMPIRICALLY DEMONSTRATED! What more is there to say, we're talking about basic empirical documentation something Kary Mullis asked for as was not able to get(he asked all the way to the top).http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL3cAS3YUKM

In terms of what Queers did in the 70s there is a plethora of things that they did that co-factored together over a decade that led up to them getting aids. As for Mark Conlan, who fucking cares if he was there, everything he said is documented, do you want me to lead you to a video with Joe Sonnabend? He was one of the doctors who was treating the original patients in the early 80s, he was there, Camile Paglia can also attest. As far as transfusions go, you realize people getting blood transfusions(adults and infants) are usually immune suppressed to begin with. Look up the co-factors for fuck sake, unless you have a deep ideological or financial investment in this farce then there's no excuse for such a-scientific stupidity.

In terms of pellagra and scurvy, it was more then a 'few' people and the belief in the viral hypotheses was when Pasteur had fully come into vogue, they came to the facts kicking and screaming, AID$ is no different especially when reified sexual identity is involved, aid$ essentially is a political disease where explanations come first, expositions come second. As far as coughing up evidence, the AID$ mythologists must cough up the evidence not I. So do me and Kary Mullis a favor and cough up that primary document showing definitive causation, consider it homework.

And believe me we need renaissance men who are masters of their own health/self-care.

More cold hard facts can be found in this golden oldie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dTTiCTMB0w

More bullshit.

What hasn't been empirically demonstrated? Can you be specific? Do you have sources that aren't YouTube videos?

You condemn the entire scientific world for not having a large enough mountain of "proof", so where's yours? What makes you (who seemingly can't tell the difference between vaccinations and antibiotics) such an authority on epidemiology?

What happens when "revolutionaries" adopt these ideas? Look at South Africa. After years of thriving under neglectful apartheid conditions, it got even worse when Mbeki and the ANC took over. He embraced denial and pseudo-science, banning AZT ("evil western medicine") and promoting rebranded industrial chemicals instead. This put South Africa a decade behind most of its neighbors in fighting the disease and killed a huge number of people.

YOU have to cough up the evidence fool not me, find me the primary document showing that HIV causes AID$, this is your work to do not mine. The videos I showed have some pretty established people that get the job done on my end particularly the 2nd Coleman Jones produced video, the questions in that doc have NEVER been answered, so step up to the plate you bullshitting believer. Some of us want the evidence, EV-I-DENCE. Good luck getting it. This is your creationist spin to demonstrate not mine so kindly fuck off and do some homework, hell post some videos that counters mine if you can, if you can't then please don't step to these.

And you know nothing about the African dilemma in all this, it is utterly disgraceful that any anarchist would regurgitate statist pharmaceutical propaganda. Mbeki probably should not have banned AZT(it's efficacy btw does not prove hiv causes aids) But he brings up good questions, how does a virus(a puny pathetic retrovirus at that) cause a syndrome?(that's what aids is a syndrome not a disease) The answer is it doesn't and we've retarded ourselves and our sexuality into thinking it does. The answer for Africa lies in access to alternative holistic methods of health that many in the 3rd and developing world don't have access to like exists in places like Canada and the US, never mind that Africa is still dead last as far as sophisticated sanitation goes on a continental level. The fact that you have poverty and diseases that have been around since time and colonialism is why you have the problems in Africa that you do, stop being a retard and get the facts straight. Hell just listen to the end of Coleman Jones video.

BTW as far as deaths in Africa goes, all we have our estimates not actual numbers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJDplquhBlc

"Pretty established people". What does that mean...established in the same way as the rest of the medical profession which you refuse to believe in?

As for the evidence, there's mountains of peer-reviewed papers which go into extraordinary detail on the cellular processes involved and the methods used. Have you read any of them? Can you even describe these supposed "questions which have never been answered" so that I might look them up? And no, I'm not watching any more of your stupid movies.Some fucking moron talking on youtube isn't a "source" - if it was, Nibiru would be real.

Are there unanswered questions about the microbiology involved? Of course there is. However, all evidence at present points toward the HIV virus, and nothing but speculation which suggests Poppers etc are the cause. Science isn't about certainty, it's about most-likely explanations, because it will always be impossible to eliminate every imaginable theory (can you prove gremlins don't cause heart disease?). Often a better theory comes along and becomes accepted instead, but not because some whiny fringe claims victimization. Instead, they present evidence of their own which better explains the situation, which in this case opponents have totally failed to do.

How does a tiny little virus cause a syndrome? It attacks the immune system. Doctors are actually pretty familiar with this kind of thing, since most serious diseases put people in a similar ("immuno-compromised") state. AIDS, however, is a very particular combination of diseases, which is why it stood out so much in the beginning. Environmental factors can produce a lot of similar conditions, but none so far have been shown to cause AIDS, especially any which sub-saharan Africa and the early 70s gay scene would have in common.

You have to show me the primary documented source, end of story. I've read all these papers and none of them show hiv to be a pathogenic exogenous agent NONE, absolutely none end of story. That is THE question that Montagner could not answer to Kary Mullis' face, I don't expect you to do better then the guy who discovered the structure of HIV(what little there is) but be my guest and try;)

Also it is simplistic to say it's just poppers, watch the fucking videos you might learn a thing or two, poppers were part of a number of toxifying practices of the gay 1970s, there's even evidence that a version of it was also happening in the 40s and 50s according to Beverly Sills. I guarantee the people in those videos(like Joe Sonnabend) no more then you do and are applying science the way it is supposed to be applied.

"How does a tiny little virus cause a syndrome? It attacks the immune system." WRONG!(Lex Luther) the immune system is already compromised, it only aids the attack of the immune system AFTER all the other primary co-factors have done the dirty work, this is a fact, toxified homosexuals, immune compromised transfusion babies(mostly born to drug addicts)drug addicts, hemos IV users you name it.

"Environmental factors can produce a lot of similar conditions, but none so far have been shown to cause AIDS," WRONG! I've already gone through them, Africa is particularly obvious, what has been killing africans has been around for a long time, its only in the last 40 years or so that we got the technology to chart these things, again my fact and speculation video is meticulous in showing this. Nothing causes aids, in fact as Emile would say nothing really causes anything when get right down to it, you always find the relations for things in physical reality or any reality, AID$ is no different.

Back to the drawing board anon.

So, basically, no, you don't have any sources?

not I. I've given the info I need and can provide even more. At this point you're like a rape victim on your back who has to let it set in, I'll end it now anon, you FAIL. HIV DOES NOT EQUAL AIDS END OF STORY!

Oh shit. He went all caps-lock on me. U mad bro? And compared me to a rape victim...what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

You've posted a bunch of interviews related to a notoriously inaccurate documentary. Pretty much everybody in it has either been debunked or released statements complaining that the filmmakers re-edited their clips to imply their agreement with its conclusions. And one is dead, from AIDS, as is her daughter, after years of campaigning that she didn't need anti-retrovirals. Furthermore, you've spouted a bunch of total horseshit about environmental factors (ie drugs) which have been studied and didn't show any correlation. As for the rest, it's painfully hard to tell exactly what you're saying since it seems to change with every post and you refuse to clearly state it.

http://aidstruth.org/denialism/myths

There are over ten thousand academic papers on this subject, with many more on the way. Nothing's hidden - it's all on the public record, available online or at your nearest university library. These papers have to "show their work" in excruciating detail to get published, explaining how they account for things like false-positives or the influence of other health factors (drugs, nutrition etc). Over the last few decades the findings have been incredibly consistent, from studies of virus genetics to measures of viral load and overall mortality in the population, all pointing to a viral cause. You've made a lot of claims that contradict this, but we have only your word to go on.

This shit is dangerous. If you want to make bold and ridiculous assertions, refuse to show any evidence then complain of being persecuted by the "scientific establishement", there are a host of causes that could use your help: chemtrails, Nibiru, hollow-earthers and those that believe pyramids were built by aliens. AIDS denial kills people, probably six figures in South Africa alone, as well as a great many within the movement itself. Contradicting AIDS education efforts, especially within communities where we all freaquently hook up, is potentially lethal to anarchists. So fucking check your enormous ego for one and shut the fuck up.

Perhaps if you spent less time lecturing everybody on here and a little more time reading you could at least come up with some coherent arguments, but as it stands your ridiculous proclamations and pathetic attempts at counter-cultural name-dropping are getting old fast. That's why you're getting trolled on every thread (and not just by me), and why nobody's rushing to your defense.

I've read all those documents and all of them have been debunked by the people on my side. And the fact remains you have still not coughed up the primary document, I've seen those explanations on that very website and they are dominated by speculative qualifiers. NIAID fails, Gallo(who should be sent to the gallows) was convicted of scientific misconduct, Montagnier actually partially agrees with my position but sees HIV as the primary co-factor(he's wrong and he has a financial stake in being wrong) and he could not give Kary Mullis a primary source as can't an even bigger retard like you. Give me and the non-believers the source to end all sources and we can all try to take it on if it is indeed shown to be a pathogenic exogenous agent, nothing on the 30 year record has EVER shown this and believe me the scientists who have been politicized(and science is political whether you admit it or not) have tried to bend the studies to show otherwise. If they had a primary document to show they wouldn't have to follow it up with wanting results but they do. Find me the doc or continue lying on your back and taking it.

In terms of Christine Maggiore, her need to take ARVs has nothing to do with whether HIV causes AID$ or not. If you have been following my argument you might know that I'm not against taking ARVs if you have to take it. The efficacy of ARVs is a different factor all together. Part of you're problem is you assume people who do not believe your creationist mythology have a hive mind, people on the non-viral side have more divergent views then people on your hive mind side. Joe Sonnabend does not have the same views as Peter Duesberg for example, neither do I. Not all of the people on my gradient believe in holistic medicine as primary, I do. You on the other hand have to keep in line with the filthy financial ideologues that keep this hysteria going. You might as well give people like Michael Weinstein and Robert Gallo a rim and blow job with how in line with them and the other political financiers of AID$ you are.

Oh and see the video on South African deaths, you'll find that AID$ mythologists have been putting off the Apocalypse for some time now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJDplquhBlc

And quit with this AID$ denial slur, again I don't deny AID$, I deny that it is a viral phenomena as opposed to toxicity phenomena. You're brain anon use it or lose it.

"I've read all those documents and all of them have been debunked by the people on my side."
Where?

"And the fact remains you have still not coughed up the primary document,"

What exactly do you mean by "primary document"? That is not how science works, that's religion. Science is based on an ever-growing body of research, comprised of different documents, all of which are a matter of public record. The link I provided references many of them.

"Montagnier actually partially agrees with my position"

Good for him. That's his opinion (if it even is), not "science". Publishing well-recieved papers and even winning a Nobel prize for them doesn't make him special - his claims are scientific only if he can back them up with evidence from tests which others can repeat for themselves. As I asked earlier, why do you continue to reference "experts" when their words reflect yours but totally disregard their work when they don't?

" Give me and the non-believers the source to end all sources and we can all try to take it on"

Again, that's not how this works, and from the decades-long reluctance to engage with the existing scientific literature makes me pretty skeptical that you would.

"science is political whether you admit it or not"

Science is totally political. Doesn't mean you're right. But while we're on the subject, what political motives might be served by claims that AIDS was caused by drug use among gays or isn't a problem in Africa? Hmmm...I wonder...

"Part of you're problem is you assume people who do not believe your creationist mythology have a hive mind, people on the non-viral side have more divergent views then people on your hive mind side"

Because I ask for evidence and sources I believe in "creationist mythology" as some sort of a hive mind? Please.

"I don't deny AID$"

Funny, one paragraph ago you were talking about how you're on the same "side" as Peter Duesberg. And you spell it "AID$".

"You're brain anon use it or lose it"
Case. In. Point.

anon, let me again show you the Kary Mullis video that deals with primary sources. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL3cAS3YUKM "I need...A paper, some kind of scientific paper to REFERENCE that statement because when you make a scientific statement like that that's like a fact, you need to say here's how come I know that....here's a paper, by somebody that describes why that statement is true"(Kary Mullis on HIV is the probable cause of aids)

All he got was herp after derp all the way the the top.

Yes Science based on growing bodies of evidence but at some point in all that body of research you need the primary empirical goods, this has nothing to do with religion.

"Because I ask for evidence and sources I believe in "creationist mythology" as some sort of a hive mind? Please." The quibble of evidence is that the burden of proof is on you not me, I simply poke holes, I don't have to prove anything.

"Funny, one paragraph ago you were talking about how you're on the same "side" as Peter Duesberg. And you spell it "AID$"."

I do spell it AID$, why? Because it is a financial cartel, a fear industry that rakes in billions year after year at the expense of human sexual evolution that was badly cut short in 1981. Also Duesberg is not a denialist either, again not buying the viral hypothesis is not the same as denying something as old as the immune system itself. He and I simply see it as a toxic, stress based break down of the immune system based on various factors of which HIV might be one.

Sir Einzige said: "Our prevailing belief in the AID$ mythology...as long as we are spooked by germ theories that have no basis in reality."

Ok the wider discussion aside I just wanted to challenge the AIDS denialism here. I’m an anarchist and a healthworker and in the town I live AIDS denial has resulted in multiple early deaths from both failure to use safer sex techniques and patients stopping taking life-extending medications. I understand why folks may be suspicious of industrial medicine (especially if you live in the USA) but the casual path connection between HIV and AIDS is exceedingly well established. Observations and experiments by many, many people with many opposing interests have underlined its factual basis. There is still lots to discover, but the main facts are clear.

I would highly recommend anyone interested in AIDS, and its socio-ecological origins, reads the excellent:
Pepin, J. (2011) The Origins of AIDS, Cambridge, UK; New York, Cambridge University Press.

live well, only the direct connection of hiv and aids via the viral hypotheses(as opposed to the risk toxicity hypothesis). I'm also not saying people should not take AVRs, it depends on the individual really, we are a toxic redundant species at this point and it might not be a good idea for certain people to go cold turkey on western methods and go all natural. I'm into integral medicine and finding what works for certain individuals and what doesn't. There are some that really should not be on that level of toxicity for any reason no matter how much AVRs have improved. I would like to see other things tried, things such as Korean ginseng(there was a 2005 study showing some encouraging efficacy agains t cell loss and viral loads) as well as cleansing and detoxification methods to go along with the toxic balancing methods of western medicine of which we should start to chart a road map out of doing at some point yesterday, integral medicine can be a big part of that road map.

As for Pepin he is taking about the hiv microbe I presume, AIDS has always been around as long as there has been an immune system and toxic practices to compromise it. He has good points about needle contamination and other things, you can also find similar shenanigans when studying the polio vaccine(a sacred western cow to this day), it might be plausible as far as the microbial jump goes though I suspect that HIV is endogenous in our system, if you look at the fact and speculation video that I posted ff to the last 10 mins of the video where they break down what is wrong with the monkey hypothesis. Certainly incompetent practice with surgical materials is something to look into and Pepin is very rich in detail, it will not however tell you the origin of AIDS, it has no origin as doesn't most of being.

Stop telling me what and what not to do. Live your own life.
Given the very real fact that the porn industry is exploitative by nature why is this fact being argued? Another simple fact is you cannot stop porn, prostitution nor pimping it will be here long after we are dead. It is just unfortunate that a bunch white males cannot simply admit the truth that porn, by the nature of the business is exploitative.

on the other hand one has to admit that the driving force behind the internet has been the porn industry. This simply means that EVERYONE looks at porn at some point in their life. Every man has viewed or does view women as sex objects at some point in their life. Men are simply created that way. What people have to ask themselves is this the way I would want my mother, sister, spouse or partner to be treated. I personally do not know any parent of a girl that thought to themselves when that child was born that she would have a bright future sucking cocks for money.

So please don't tell me how to be an anarchist, it is a fluid concept and just as anarchy today does not resemble anarchy of 1900, the anarchy of today will not look the same as anarchist theory in 2050.

"What people have to ask themselves is this the way I would want my mother, sister, spouse or partner to be treated."

What you should ask my dear patriarch is why you see sisters mothers female partners and spouses as something to be 'owned' as 'mine' and treated on the means of being owned. If a pornographic phase of life is enjoyable or preferable to them then who am I to judge or care. And all children born are born to societal biases.

Also exploitation is a moralistic left wing term.

Yes anarchy is fluid, but there are basic positions that can make it better or worse.

I don't believe it is a patriarchal statement just as I don't the word exploitation is solely the domain of leftist. If that is the case simply pull the site down or change its name to Nihilist News. Part of "anarchism" is the desire to create a world that is just for all and free from coercive dictates. Anarchism does not have to equal libertarianism nor the dictates of anarchist capitalist. If we are not struggling to create a just and civil society what is it we are doing? I understand and accept that some people choose, and enjoy working as porn actors and models but for a higher percentage it is a situation that comes from a lack of opportunity and choice for women. Very rarely do you see women from wealthy backgrounds working in the porn industry. Porn becomes more of an option when one does not have the financial standing to gain education or find themselves in a place where they have to do porn simply to survive. This is not true for all but it is for some and until these base issues are addressed and rectified you cannot say that it is simply a mater of choice.

On the other hand maybe you are correct and I am just a crazy idealist.

on the class break down of porn stars, however if we are talking primarily about women, you will see more then a few middle upper class types that are in the industry for their own reasons, Stoya is a good example. Yes there is a carrot and stick dynamic when it comes to pretty much the whole world of work, work in porn however is considerable more flexible then most jobs in spite of the social biases against it which anarchists should not be feeding into via 2nd wave feminism or any other idiocy. Part of the appeal of a pornographic sphere for various sex fiends is that it is a controlled environment to do things you could not normally do in a public or private setting, there are many who fantasize about the things seen on kink.com, some actually take the plunge and make money in the process.

"If we are not struggling to create a just and civil society what is it we are doing?" What any anarchist society should try to do is make things as flexible for the libertines of the world as it can.

So comical, yet so sad that you pathetic boozharchists can't think of anything more intelligent to debate.

is pretty important,now go back to rimming the base you cuntish prolearchist.

Yo, this website sucks! I can't even figure out how to navigate this.

It's like some 90s online bulletin board but worse and more jumbled up.

seriously! went there looking for porn, as it is a porn website, failed to find porn. if you want people to fap to anarchist porn you need to make the anarchist porn as accessible as the rest of it

and by accessible of course i don't mean "appeals to a wide audience" or something, i mean "you go to the website and there is porn staring you in the face like it should be"

why not simply infiltrate the pornographic scene with anarchist values and approaches, that's what really needs to be done, also getting out of the California epicenter and creating a network somewhere else. Being that the biz is starting to contract this would be a good time to introduce things like p2p crowd funding approaches. Now's the time.

I'm not really interested in sexual archetypes that I can find on burning angel or suicide girls because that's probably what "anarchist" porn would look like.

Naw... that shit was tried with alt porn and it sold out or was bought by playboy.

I think the direction these folks are going (actually owning it) is way better if only they can manage to present a website half as descent as the old alt porn sites of the 90s.

They also tried riot porn with Vice and it just got bought by fucking Rupert Murdoch... who I suppose is a giant porn addict too!

Can you talk about what you are talking about when you say, "simply infiltrate the pornographic scene with anarchist values and approaches"? what would this look like and what would anarchist values and approaches look like in the porn industry? Would this be dressing up a women who resembles Avril Lavigne in anarchist fashion and the having her perform ass to mouth? You cannot believe that women like to suck shit covered dicks do you? Wouldn't women anarchist reject having to be objectified, subservient, and submissive to the whims of some guy who is being paid to fuck her?

When you make a statement like, "simply infiltrate the pornographic scene with anarchist values and approaches" it is as if you don't understand that porn is capitalism in its purest base example. It is an industry where 30 means you are done and where everyone is judged on their appearance. I don't think you can stop porn but it is what it is. I have often thought of starting a website called tardsex.com. the negative publicity would make you infamous and you could trick all of your actors to work for balloons. How would you bring "anarchist values and approaches" to this concept?

There is a fairly libertarian strain to porn to begin with, my idea is steer it more toward the p2p economic way of doing things. Try take it toward more of a queer base and leave the hetero-normative side of it behind which is responsible for holding it back at this point. As for atm there are men and women that are into that kind of thing to some degree, porn creates a controlled environment that allows you to do unconventional sexual things. Also humans are into all kinds of things if you watch the amateur side of tube sites.

Yes porn is capital, but so is everything and capital is based on human behavior(and not the other way around). Porn is a major hot spot of the enframing of being that anarchists would do well to get to know especially considering that we are probably the freakiest on the sexual spectrum.

As far as objectification, I have no issue with objectification as such, subservience and submission are inflated roles that various humans like to take part and have fun in. And you can go beyond 30.

anarchists have pretty persistent niche in poetry(whatever the age) Eroticism can also be an advantageous niche.

I think it would be hilarious to have someone wearing a Max Stirner mask seducing someone wearing a president wife's mask. I don't think anarchist porn actually has to show intercourse, just as some of the classic films used innuendo and inference. Eroticism is about values, e.g. in the Victorian Era the sight of a woman's knee sent lustful pangs through the hearts of a sexually censured and inhibited society. Like wise, the sexual values of some H/G societies were equally structured and censured under a rubric of religious taboos. I think the art of anarchist sexuality was expressed by that song, I forget who did it, which had the line 'let's do it like the animals in National Geographic', something along that line, but it was satirising modern societies voyeurism concerning the acceptability of any age group watching animals fornicate (and I must digress here and say I find it more enjoyable watching specimens of my own species copulating than having to endure the awkwardness of sitting with petite bourgeois watching a David Attenborough marathon of gigantic elephant penises entering trumpeting cows in the awkward environment that bourgeois morals precipitate)! It is the contradiction which appalls, death and war are acceptable however sex is prohibited, not so much now as pre-60s, the whole 60's rev was about upending bourgeois values, oh damn, now every movie has to have the formularised 'sex scene' which still never shows the penis and vagina, at least the play the sound of climaxing! Maybe the revolution shouls aim towards a mass orgasm instead of suicide, I really don't know, my individual tastes are for privacy and no one elses business,,,,maybe I'm a frustrated porn star!

To all the prudes

amateur, self shot, voluntarily submitted porn with no desire for profit is not the same as the porn industry. Quit making trying to make that bullshit connection as far as websites like this are concerned because you're way off.
Get over your selves. You are in no position to tell others that they can not or should not video tape themselves having sex with the intent of sharing that video with others who take pleasure or enjoyment out of watching or photographing their own naked bodies to share with others.

Outside of capital and patriarchal social relationships, this activity is not up to you to deny to anyone.

Fuck your morals.

I LOVE PORN!

You are a mentally deranged bourgeois pervert. You are as dingy as Bradley Manning not being able to decide whether he is a Brad, a Breanna, or a Chelsea. You are the reason Big Bill Heywood christened you pathetic imbeciles "circus freaks".

The logical outcome of laissez faire libertine boozharchist thought is that 'porn is liberating'. About as much as necrophilia, pedophilia, dementia, homosexuality, and bestiality.

is back to rimming the base

Has nothing to do with any kind of "alternative" imagery, it should have more to do with influencing the economic models as well as bringing the all the sexual archetypes together. It's high time for instance that porn became free2watch, brazzers without paying. Right now you cannot see a butch fem sexual top and a twink male sexual botton paired up together, and a lot of this has to do with sti/d issues coming form certain sexual spheres. There's a lot of hysteria around male organed queers having to do with AID$ and other sti/d risks. There is some truth to it but its hysteria, to the point that you have this era of sexual segregation.

Ending it would go a long way in improving things and part of ending it means making people aware of holistic ways of cleansing and detoxifying as well eating the right things. Right now when you think of anarchist or alternative sexual archetypes you think of punks. This isn't a good thing in my book considering that they have a history of drug and alcohol abuse, I don't mind the punk aesthetic being part of things, but when I think of healthy sexual archetypes punks just don't come to mind. I think at this point an inherently porn/pro-sex aiding thing to do right now is undermining the AID$ myth, the silly idea that HIV is the primary co-factor in AID$, and that AID$ is somehow primarily based on infection. To me the AID$ myth is the biggest enemy going against a human sexual renaissance this century(more then the fundies and the law makers). If anarchists can be part of undermining that belief and promoting healthy archetypes in the future, combined with aiding more post-profit forms of porn then they will be doing a good thing.

I think of RIOT porn! Money shots of ATMs being trashed or tar sands lockdowns at TB Bank, orgy shots of numberless hordes of black-clad fighters at the World Bank duking it out with legions of pigs, twosome or threesome scenes of a pig being taken down or someone being unarrested, you name it.

Sex porn, BTW, does not have to be capitalist. In fact, pay porn may be on the way out, as amateur-generated content, much of it not "monetized" at all, takes its place. For people who are casually promiscious (as I have always been) this can be a good way to show off and attract potential partners. Back in the 1980's when I worked as a stripper for a while, that was one of the side benefits. Also, for sex workers (sex ARTISANS if self-employed!) it is an obvious way to advertise.

There has also been capitalist riot porn, most notably the movie made about the Battle of Seattle. From what I heard that required a lot of staged footage, just as making a sex porn video may require positions, etc that would not otherwise be used as they favor the camera.

Wow. It was quite interesting reading all the comments here. Sometimes i wonder if anarchist movement has anybody else besides people who do absolutely nothing, but criticise every project that they encounter for being not radical or even worse that it promotes rape, slavery, and whatever else they can think of at the moment of writing. And it's no secret why, after all it takes a lot of energy and dedication to pull a radical project, no matter the errors you are going to make and no matter the personal cost, but to bash another without even having looked at what one has been doing takes no energy and has no repercussions (you can just say it wasn't you if you later meet in person).

However, some responses do need to be addressed, so here it goes.

To those who say "Anarchist porn should rather be ...": Please start your own project, there are other ways of doing things which are equally as valid, when you do i'd be more than happy to even advertise your "start-up" on our front page, we already do that as you can see. If you need technical help, we do share all the technology that we've developed (see the main post, the link is there).

To individuals saying that anarchist politics is not compatible with porn: What do you think makes porn pornographic? It is simply a depiction of whatever somebody finds sexual, it's no different than any other form of expression... well the only difference is that in our today's culture it's a taboo topic. We are told constantly that pornography is the domain of porn industry, and that we must not "bring it to the masses". Well, we disagree and we allow everybody their self-expression. What anarchist has ever been pro-censorship? Why is sex seen as something different than any other activity? You've made the positive claim, it's your job to prove that it is true.

To some people who said that you couldn't find porn: I don't know how you managed, you go to the front page and there's a whole section titled "browse our porn stash". But since we are not any other porn project, we also have political and social articles and announcements. If you want something rad, check out http://www.freedomporn.org/smut/Category:fuck_the_state

We should be free to be as disgusting and perverted as we like!

As I've said above I think radicals need to move from the safe sex meme to the natural sex meme, in essence 'safe sex' began with Richard Berkowitz and what he saw in the unsustainable practices of the fast lane lifestyle in Queerdom circa 69-81. The lifestyle was the issue(and still is) not a need for safety. It all comes down to teh AID$ something that has a substantial existence but not predicated on a retrovirus(that has never been isolated or purified and may not exist let alone been show to cause AIDS). AIDS causes the positive antibodies to show up as opposed to the other way around which everyone believes. The answer across the board is a sexual naturopathy movement of which male organed queers need to lead the charge. They began the lifestyle that led to these long term chronic inflamed breakdowns of the body, they can end it. The ideas of Antoine Bechamp and Hans Selye come to mind(also see The Invisible Virus by Janine Roberts). Unfortunately you have many in Queerdom that are inheriting ideas of baby boom era queers that do not serve them. The viral hypotheses allowed the problems of the fast lane lifestyle to be swept under the rug.

Time to reevaluate these things and get a healthy queer based sexuality going. Up with holistic naturalism, down with safe sex hysteria.

moot point for me holmes. the issue is neither safe nor natural sex but sex imperialism and the state/capital pimp ergo i'm more worried bout cancer from all the stogies.

otoh
ET phone home and owes me for the std test

Though if you want to change things you can't be top down in how you view these things, power operates synergisticly from various nodes. The projection of a healthy holistic aristocratic sexual sphere can go quite a long way in being part of doing away with the state capital pimp.

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