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I fail to see how an

I fail to see how an anarchist can be a marxist or a socialist or a communist. All of those principals go directly against the whole concept of anarchy. When used by oppressors it is just a different group who are the priveleged in society. I can see maybe small group or familial socialism as a way to survive in a tough world but most commies, marxists and socialists want a totalitarian government that they agree with. Disagree with them and you are dealt with. A true anarchist will boot the head of any red douchebag as a threat to freedom.

Lol. Not much into history

Lol. Not much into history are you.

Kropotkin???

The post-left strain is a relatively new development.

seriously? you do knwo there

seriously?

you do knwo there is a such thing as libertarian communism right?

also, i have yet to come

also, i have yet to come across an anarcho-marxist,so that idea may be shot.

but anarchist-communist ideas have pretty much been the historical trend in anarchist thought.

anarchist economics draws from marxist politics.

so until we come up with an economic oplan of our own, we got that.

I would say that anarchist

I would say that anarchist politics draw from marxist economics. We take from marx's criticism of capitalism but we do not share his love affair with the state.

Marx had no love affair with

Marx had no love affair with the state and he allways considered the socialist state as mid term between the oppressive state and the stateless communist society. One thing that i find sad is that such emminent comrades such as Karl Marx are evoked by those who didn't yet took the time to read them. I say this not because i'm a fanatic marxist, but because i do believe that, on a revolutionnary perspective, to misquote a revolutionnary author is reactionnary. I mean the dominant ideology is already involved in frenetic Marx calomny, no need for we progressives to contribute to it specially by attributing to the man passions he didnt have.

i would consider myself an

i would consider myself an anarcho-marxist

marxist wanted anarchy to be the outcome of the communist revolution, it says so in the manifesto. not necessarily in so many words but the basic point of having a communist government after the revolution was to help the people learn to function on their own, to ease them in to anarchy

marx*

marx*

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?? "A

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS??

"A true anarchist will boot the head of any red douchebag as a threat to freedom."

Funny - with that mentality, you sound like a TRUE SKINHEAD!

What is it with you anarhcists and your rock headed anti communism?

If you study your movement's history - specifically the times and places where anarchism and anarchists actually made a difference (Russia and the Ukraine 1917 - 1922, Spain 1931 - 1939) - you'll find that anarchists did not practice the kind of brainless anti communism that you do, in some cases, anarchists and communists even fought on the same side!

But, to know that, you'd actually have to do some reading about your movement's history, instead of being moronic cannabis-addled lifestyle anarchists!

I know it's so much more fun to get baked and party - but if you want to actually have an impact on the world and make it a better place, you have to do some heavy intellectual work.

Do you think you can handle that?

fuck You dude. I am only on

fuck You dude. I am only on nicotine and caffeine

Yeah, we learned never to

Yeah, we learned never to trust a Marxist, they always use you and then stab you in the back. Marxists are nothing but political rape artists.

For denouncing others as

For denouncing others as "skinheads" you sure place a lot of importance on "history." I see no difference between the communist history of egalitarian communes and the Nazi history of pogroms. You just chose to favor different events. So I guess we could say 'bravo' in yet another social construction. But I don't see how this has to do with anarchists at all (they have plenty of faults, but few are as dogmatically anti-semitic as yourself).

Cheers

You sir are an ignoramus,

You sir are an ignoramus, anarchists were actively slaughtered and SNITCHED OUT by the russia's communist government and its ascociates. To say that the communist movement was beneficial at all to a true anarchists ideal living conditions is absurd.

Many of us "i say us because you are not an anarchist, your a confused soul" anarchists believe violence is the means that will be needed to make a difference. Not all of us believe that we can beat this machine of capitalism and social control (WTO, IMF, POLICE, ARMY, CORPORATE NEWS, PMRC, POLLUTION, ECOLOGICAL DESTRUCTION with pacifism and love. i smoke cannabis every day and i could bet that I hurt this machine more than you ever have in your life, i stand up for something more than stereotypes and history, its my reality, my fucking present. WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE BESIDES BITCHED ON YOUR FUCKING COMPUTER.

Eco anarchists know where my hate comes from...... "True Skinhead" IF YOU KNEW YOUR FUCKING HISTORY YOU WOULD KNOW THAT THE SKINHEAD MOVEMENT WAS AN ENGLISH WORKING CLASS SYMBOL OF THE OPRESSED!!!

FUCK THAT RED BULLSHIT YA MIGHT AS WELL GO BACK TO SUPPORTING CAPITALISM IF YOUR DOWN WITH THAT... COS ITS THE SAME THING WITH DIFFERENT TRADE RESTRICTIONS!!!!

lets not forget RED EMMA

lets not forget RED EMMA

I agree with you, except for

I agree with you, except for your skinhead comment. Skinhead culture comes from a mixture of English Working class and West Indian immigrant culture in the U.K. The racism thing was just a subversion that arose later on. Most skinheads are not racist, and many aren't white. I recommend reading about SHARP and Red and Anarchist Skinheads.

FUCK YEAH DUDE I HATE THAT

FUCK YEAH DUDE I HATE THAT RED BULLSHIT!!!!!
the end of the monetary system will not come from any of these options...
marxism is sooooo 8th grade..
all of the wikipedia bullshit ANARCHO-COMMUNISM, ANARCHO SOCIALISM, ANARCHO CAPITALISM...

MONETARYISM IS WHATT IT REALLY IS

...so a moneyless communist

...so a moneyless communist society without hierarchy is "MONETARYISM"?

...ok.

CAPTCHA: Politics Banana

hmm...

They'd be libertarian

They'd be libertarian socialists, not state socialists in the Marxist-Leninist-etc style. The "socialist" part means you're out on the crony capitalist system of legally enforceable private property holdings, beyond what you directly use. The statist reds have shown again and again that they don't give a damn for your freedom and will break your back if you step out of line. Socialism is very broad, and is older than Marx. To avoid the semantic blah-blah of the meaning of "libertarian" and "socialist", best to just stick to the term "anarchist".

I agree and do not agree.

I agree and do not agree. Why can't we benefit from the best aspects of these formulations while, of coarse, recognizing and refusing the authoritarian parts?

As for "Marxism", while I think there are different things that can contribute understanding and knowledge from him, and that school of thought, I have to say that calling yourself by another person, attached to an -ism that identifies a school of thought, is simply dumb. But nevertheless I think we can learn some important stuff both from Marx, and from several others who subsequently called themselves Marxists. That doesn't mean you don't approach these people critically and overlook their bullshit. But dismissing them out of hand strikes me as stupid and meaningless.

They r confused ppl, the

They r confused ppl, the don't read n2 our history and understand the history , they see a anarchy symbol on a Hollywood movie and think it is "cool" so they claim anarchy, ask them wat a anarchist is ?, or is anarchism there secret? There lost n Hollywood cuz they have no ansewr.

Why no "History"

Why no "History" category?

Of course history can come up under loads of other categories, such as "Anarchist People", "Anarchist" Practice", "Colonialism", "Education", "War", to take just a few examples, but it still looks like something is missing if you don't have a category specifically for "History".

Dave C

When you go to add a story

When you go to add a story there is a History option, it is just not listed here.

No two anarchists can agree

No two anarchists can agree on the definition of an anarchist. What a bunch of fucking dipshits!

no categories for this post?

no categories for this post?

"The only thing that will

"The only thing that will redeem mankind, is cooperation." -Bertrand Russell

I am a Marxist because I am a socialist. I am a socialist because I am an anarchist.

1. There are no middle-aged,

1. There are no middle-aged, (35-60), anarchists because they tend to reproduce like the rest of society and find that all of a sudden they need a stable income, which means a stable economy, which means a stable political system. Find me a middle-aged anarchist with kids and I'll find you a hypocrite.

2. When the gay pride parade goes down the street looking like a dress rehersal for the Rocky Horror Picture Show, it reinforces the stereotypes that can be associated with homosexuals - that they're a bunch of freaks. When anarchists kick in the windows of a downtown bank it reinforces the stereotypes that are associated with them - thay they're a bunch of spoiled rich kids who listen to the Sex Pistols and take themselves WAY to seriously.

3. If anarchists REALLY wanted to overthrow the government with the use of violence, they'd utilise car bombs, acquire weapons capable of taking down passenger jets and maybe even strap explosives to themselves and take out a trendy farmer's market or two. (That of course would require two anarchists.) But this not what the modern anarchist is about. The modern anarchist gets his message across by smashing a window and running away.

4. Message to anarchists: relax. With overpopulation and the consumer-materialist ethos having conquered the entire planet, the resulting environmental degredation, (along with global warming), will result in the extinction of our species in no more than 200 years. (Probably less.) So go get a cold beer, sit back and enjoy a sunny day - like I'm about to.

a farmers market is about as

a farmers market is about as anarchist as you can get. local control of the food system. you continually offer up poorly-reasoned comments. get a brain. educate yourself.

a farmers MARKET. 'nuff said.

a farmers MARKET.

'nuff said.

If you can't abolish money

If you can't abolish money you might as well change who you give your money to.

All large businesses start

All large businesses start out as small businesses.

Just a matter of time.

What about Really Really Free

What about Really Really Free Markets? No money, no trade, no accounts. "Market" doesn't necessarily automatically denote trade or money.

I'm a middle aged anarchist

I'm a middle aged anarchist and I have a 17 year old daughter. I have needed a stable income since I was about sixteen, but I don't see how working or paying bills makes me a hypocrite. Just because we're forced to exist in a certain way doesn't mean we agree with that way of doing things. We are victims of a capitalist society, much like the Soviets were victims of a socialist state, or the Saudis are victims of an islamic state. It would be like calling soviet capitalists or saudi christians hypocrites.
In regards to your statement about what anarchists would "REALLY" do. Passenger jets, farmers markets, seriously? Killing innocent people is in direct opposition to what anarchism is all about. Anarchism is about total liberation, so unless it's a jet full of fascists i don't see how that would have anything to do with anarchism. The window fetish is getting a little tired but I don't have any real complaints, diversity of tactics and all.
Your fourth point is ridiculous, it's akin to telling anyone who is unhappy with their current living conditions to not bother with trying to improve them because they will certainly be dead within 70 years anyways. Keeping that in mind, why even bother with your beer, you're just gonna piss it out in a few minutes.

-underthepavers

"why even bother with your

"why even bother with your beer, you're just gonna piss it out in a few minutes"

nice

-Squee

"So go get a cold beer, sit

"So go get a cold beer, sit back and enjoy a sunny day - like I'm about to."

there should be an award for best comment by a drunk cop and/or a drunk rightwing nut.

No shit. "Freedom is hard to

No shit. "Freedom is hard to achieve, I'd rather drink beer." I'd rather drink beer and kick the state's ass--in no particular order.

The 2012 World strike to

The 2012 World strike to abolish money
Economic and spiritual revolution
To create
A world
Of
Free Access
Simply and peacefully done.
The strike starts when the Olympic torch is lit for the 2012 Olympic games.
We will return to work when
All monetary units are made Illegal
All statutes made null and void
A return to common law
We will return to work not for money but for goodwill, co-operation and the freedom and betterment of all human kind.
We will return to work using the existing systems [while it suits us] but transforming and making those systems free and more fair.
We will make it our priority
That all human beings have access to adequate shelter, foods and health care
We will uphold the common law
On the return to work
If you do not have work to go to [i.e. you were in the finance industry] , or you do not wish to return to your work, do not worry . You are now free. Free to jump on a jet plane, free to visit friends and family, free to party.
Everything will be free
Every human being on the planet will be free.
Free from the fear of poverty, hunger, lack of shelter and lack of health care.
There will be no sweat shops, no child labour, no drug cartels, no landlords, no fear of government agencies
Travel will be free, shelter will be free, health care will be free, food will be free, every thing will be free
For every human being on the planet
All lawful human beings will be free.
We will uphold the common law
To be honourable
Not to harm others
Not to steal from others
Not to deceive others
We will all be free
Strike, strike, strike, strike
Make common sense and common law prevail
After the strike, if you have no work to go to and you wish to work then offer your services to front line services.
Front line services to include ;
Production and distribution of food stuff.
Providing health and social care.
Upholding the common law.
Builders, poets, mechanics , experimenters, scientists, shop keepers, law enforcers, carers , thinkers, researchers, peace keepers, statisticians, programmers , co-ordinators, teachers, doctors, nurses, minstrels, artists, farmers, drivers , pilots, all people.
We are all free
All equal under the law.
The revolution is here
There is enough food to feed the world, yet 5,000,000 people starve to death every year. Nearly half the worlds population live on less than 2 and a half dollars a day. With the abolition of money feeding and giving all people of the world a decent standard of living becomes purely a logistic problem. Economics and geo political forces will no longer stop or hinder the process.
While billions go without, billions remain idle, we have an abundance of human resources wasted because of geo/political economic forces. While the need for money and wage labour remains we can no go forward, we can not implement technological advancements for fear of unemployment . [ see www.thezeitgeistmovement.com ] while money is here the drudgery of work will always be with us. Money enslaves us all and created huge social inequalities. Money has not and will not set us free.

Abolish money and set the human race free.

To shoot holes in your

To shoot holes in your dream...

So how will the jets fly without fuel? Without a pilot?

The only way a non-monetary (therefore non-exchange, non-barter) society could work is to revert to a hermetic agrarian society.

The Olympia outsider

Translation: "I can't figure

Translation: "I can't figure it out, so there must not be a solution."
Get over yourself.

I think for one thing you

I think for one thing you might want to actually look up the words 'barter,' 'exchange,' and 'hermetic.'

I stopped reading at "Make

I stopped reading at "Make all monetary units illegal."

Hi I'm sorry if my comment is

Hi

I'm sorry if my comment is not in the good place. I'm want to wish good luck to you for your action about the british royal wedding.
Good luck !

Salutations libertaires !

PH

PS : I want to apologize for my (verry) bad english, I'm french !

How are all these comments so

How are all these comments so terrible?

Hello, is there any way to

Hello, is there any way to request deletion of an entry on this site?

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